posted on November 20, 2004 02:15:11 AM newThe Fight Over Faith
This is the show that CNN produced on "evangelical" or "born again" christians.
With this program, you will learn when it's OK to drive the car, according to the bible. Also, you will learn how some pre-schoolers "know they're saved". And of course many other vitures of being a modern day "born again" bible thumper.
posted on November 20, 2004 07:12:40 AM new
That whole "can't drive the car on Sunday" idea isn't new. It originated with the Jews and is even more carefully observed by them than most Christians.
They used to prepare all food on Saturday- can't cook on Sunday.
They would light all their lamps on Staurday-can't turn the lights on on Sunday.
Take showers/bath on Saturday-can't do it on Suday.
I even heard in certain tall building in NYC that on Sundays the elevators stop at every floor automatically- pushing the button is considered work.
I don't know. I can see people needing a day off work, but [i]elevator buttons[/]? Seems a little extreme to me. Wouldn't getting dressed count too? You don't see many naked Jews running around on Sunday.
Oh, and since the Jews started this tradition, that now re-defines yeager's post as anti-semitic
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posted on November 20, 2004 07:40:01 AM newThat whole "can't drive the car on Sunday" idea isn't new. It originated with the Jews and is even more carefully observed by them than most Christians.
Not to be picky or anything, but the Jewish Shabbat (sabbath) begins on friday afternoon-evening and ends 24 hours later. It isn't Sunday. There aren't a lot of Jews left in this country who strictly observe shabbat. Driving is included because vehicles use internal combustion engines, and shabbat law requires that no fires be ignited during it's observance.
The difference here is that evangelical christians would like to jam their rules down everybody's throats.
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posted on November 20, 2004 07:42:41 AM new
I would love to buy a car from an old lady that only drives it to church. Opps can't discriminate old man to.
Sorry can't watch it as I have to take my granddaughter to the Sponge Bob Movie. Darn!!!!
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posted on November 20, 2004 08:37:42 AM new
I'm going to be busy with a football game. Why don't you watch it for us and report back, yeager? Please take notes on the high points, so we will all definitely know when we are sinning.
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posted on November 20, 2004 08:59:26 AM new
Profe is again correct, I did forget about the Friday at dark still Saturday at dark thing. They don't actually do these things on Saturday and Sunday as I said before.
The main points are still correct however,
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posted on November 20, 2004 12:09:12 PM new
For your amusement. This was sent to me by a friend and I thought it was funny enough to share. Talk about taking the Bible at face value!
Dear President Bush:
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from you and understand why you would propose and support a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. As you said "in the eyes of God marriage is based between a man a woman." I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination... End of debate.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.
1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A
friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians.
Can you clarify?
Why can't I own Canadians?
2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?
6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than
homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?
7. Lev.21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?
8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?
9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field. He also tends to curse and blaspheme a
lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone him? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn him to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.
Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
Your adoring fan,
Well, off to the races, so-to-speak. Have a great one everybody!
Cheryl
"Success in almost any field depends more on energy and drive than it does on intelligence. This explains why we have so many stupid leaders."
-Sloan Wilson
posted on November 20, 2004 12:25:36 PM new
Good one cheryl...thanks
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posted on November 20, 2004 12:29:49 PM new
"Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging. "
Unless of course, you believe in Jesus, who said to ignore all that stuff in the Old Testament. That's why they call it the New Testament (trans. New Covenant).
Everything you mention was obsolete the minute Jesus came onto the scene.
Although technically the Jews are still supposed to follow those laws, the parts about the sacrifices have also been made obsolete since the Temple was destroyed. Some "Orthodox" Jews do still follow most of those laws, but most Jews are "Reform", which have modernized the laws. Say what you want about them being sinners, they've been arguing that fact among themselves for centuries.
I realize you didn't write this letter yourself, but it really might help your case if you had the slightest clue about how Christianity works. The author of that letter sure doesn't.
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posted on November 20, 2004 01:47:11 PM new
So Replay, if I have this right....god directs the writing of this bigass book with a couple million words representing decades of SIMPLY divine inspiration by a bunch of guys with writer's cramp....
and then along comes jones...err....I mean jesus, and he says,
posted on November 20, 2004 04:16:19 PM new
For crying out loud, replay, it was meant to make you laugh. You do remember how to laugh, don't ya?
Dang it! I WANT TO OWN A CANADIAN!
Cheryl
"Success in almost any field depends more on energy and drive than it does on intelligence. This explains why we have so many stupid leaders."
-Sloan Wilson
posted on November 20, 2004 04:22:25 PM newThat's what we're trying to find out by asking all these questions Replay.
Kraft you are lieing to yourself, this board, or both. It obvious to me you are not trying to find any answers to support a God, only debunk one.
But I bet in crises you're the first with words out of your mouth like: "Oh my God, Oh my God." Why the hell call for a God you deny exists? - He'll never answer you.
Its one thing to choose not to believe in a God, quite another to actively try to denigrate one, like you and yeager do.
posted on November 20, 2004 04:39:52 PM new
Sorry Nero, I have no need to lie to myself or anyone else. Again, I believe in God but not organized religion because it doesn't promote individual thinking and it's based upon interpretation. I think God is something personal and not some supernatural being that needs to be worshipped ritualistically with all the trappings. I think people that hide behind religion, saying one thing but doing the opposite, are sick in God's eyes. I also think that when people don't use their own head and that wonderful brain God gave you to make their decisions in life based on kindness and giving, they're doing themselves and God an injustice. When I read about people that only drive on certain days because of what's in the Bible, I wonder how much of the other things this person heeds to? Does he work on Saturday? If he does, he's to be put to death. When I read about how far religious extremists will go to be the ONLY religion, it makes me wonder about the sanity of these people.
You never hear about good religious people because they never need to be in the spotlight. It's the other type I'm after.
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posted on November 20, 2004 07:55:24 PM new
kraft, your whole idea about religion not promoting individual thinking is so off the wall - its no use in even trying to talk to you about the subject. lol. You dont like the club rules, of Christianity eh? Or Judaism for that matter? hahaha. Too bad MILLIONS upon Millions of people worldwide apparantly do. No matter what their stature in life, how much would you like to bet 9/10's of them are happier, more successful than you are? If you believe in God, like you ascertain you do - what is this belief based on? What doctrine? Or did you just pick and choose what sounds right to you out of thin air and create your own one man religion?
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posted on November 20, 2004 08:33:34 PM new
"""""Or did you just pick and choose what sounds right to you out of thin air and create your own one man religion? """"
posted on November 20, 2004 08:44:18 PM new
Nero, religion is based on group thinking. That's why it's called organized. And as far as religious people being happier and more successful, are you saying that's because they're religious?
posted on November 20, 2004 11:04:42 PM new
classisrock,
go watch your grass grow. For your mind, it should be real exciting.
replay,
"That whole "can't drive the car on Sunday" idea isn't new." It wasn't about the "can't drive on Sunday" thing as you said. It's about a family so mentally entrenched in organized religion they think the bible has directions when they should allow their son to drive the car. That includes Monday through Sunday. As Helen said, religion is for mind control for the masses.
replay, Do you use the bible to dictate when you should be allowed to drive your car/truck? Or do you just get in and go like the rest of normally thinking society?
libra, you could have taken your granddaughter to Sponge Bob anytime. Just an excuse to NOT to learn about how others view religion.
quartermass,
"yeager is another fine example of the idiots that are allover these boards."
Why would you have the need to make that statement? Why don't you call CNN if this program bothers you? Also, does it bother you that people have a different view from you on things?
nero,
How are you to question who or what kraft's god is? Any one who would question another person's god, must of course be a bigot, in the fact they must believe their god is the only correct god. I think that kraft has a personal relationship with HER god, and not YOUR god. That's why it's call personal.
I think that she and I don't subscribe to the doctrine of organized religion as so many have done.
nero says,
"No matter what their stature in life, how much would you like to bet 9/10's of them are happier, more successful than you are?"
I think that you are right on that. Last Sunday when I was driving by a local church, I looked into the parking lot and thought I was looking at a Cadillac or Lincoln dealership. There were so many beautiful Caddys and Lincolns there. I was almost blinded by the cars. That was on the rich side of town of course. Then I went to the poor side of town and looked into a church parking lot, and found not as near as many nice cars. There were many older cars there, some even had rust on them. Could it be these people are a good a christian as the richer ones? They must not be as successful, right?
Bigots are miserable people. Prevent Bigotry through Education.
posted on November 21, 2004 12:12:18 AM new
LOL @ classicrock's statement on the mailing system. You and parklane work well together....he sets them up...you answer.
Thanks for another good chuckle.
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I agree with your observation, neroter. Its one thing to choose not to believe in a God, quite another to actively try to denigrate one, like you and yeager do.
And I also agree...some can believe in God...and don't have to be involved in a religious group...or attend church...but one has to have some sort of *basis* for believing in that 'God'. At the very least by believing in 'some religions' definition of 'God'. Otherwise to me, it's strickly a belief in a 'higher power' or a 'creator' and not actually a God any religion believes in.
Prevent Bigotry through Education.