posted on November 29, 2004 09:05:41 PM new
I was surfing through the channels and came across my old buddy Pat Robertson and his 700 Club TV show.
There is a segment called "Bring it on" where PR answers the emails of the followers. There was a question from a mother who wrote that the husband was thinking of leaving her and the problem was with the 15 year old son.
His problems involved behavior and attitude towards others. His advise was to make sure the child had a complete blood workup and physical checkup. Also, PR said she must get this child to a "christian counselor", and not just any ordinary counselor. He said that this child needed someone who could guide him in the path of jesus.
I can't believe there are people out there that would contact a bible thumper like PR for medical advise. Are they so dependent on religion they can't make some common sense decisions? Are they so empty in their own lives and their own ability to think, they would need advise from him?
posted on November 29, 2004 09:25:25 PM new
I think many people believe these Pat Robertson types have a direct link to God or get the answers to everyones problems from God. Look at how people act when Benny Hinn "cures" their ills on stage. The falling backwards thing is just learned behaviour, not a miracle from God. Most answers in life are pretty simple so in my mind, these self-proclaimed disciples just prey on the depressed and lonely making them think they have all the Godly answers. It's so sad.
posted on November 29, 2004 09:52:37 PM new
I wonder how many people that are "cured" by Benny Hinn later die from the cure. These people truly must be weak minded. I don't mean that as a cruel statement. In reality, they must truly be simple to think that a person can use the "laying of hands" on them to cure the illness. If that was truly the case, the insurance companies would pay Hinn for the cure (of heart disease) instead of a surgeon that would charge 50,000 dollars.
How pathetic that a person would believe in a person like them.
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posted on November 29, 2004 10:18:00 PM new
What a fake he is Yeager. I guess he wrote a book and a Canadian news team followed up some of his reports plus interviewed some of these healed people. Many of his claims were proven to be total falsehoods. They went undercover to one of his gatherings (crusade?) and said his staff wouldn't let the very sick, crippled, etc. anywhere near the front. There were people everywhere to stop them if they went too close to the stage. They take up collections at these gatherings and the one they filmed took in close to $900,000.00. The guy lives like Liberace. They all do. (barf)
TV evangalist Benny Hinn, is revealed to be a cybornetic killing machine from the future. Not content waiting for the apocolypse, Pastor Benny decides to bring it about himself.
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posted on November 30, 2004 06:06:21 AM new
No, Twelve, crooks like Hinn only exist to give people like Yeager something to be RIGHT about.
And as far as the OP goes, you don't mention any medical problem, only behavioral ones. I see no reason a counselor (Christian or otherwise) would not be good advice.
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posted on November 30, 2004 08:56:06 AM new
But then there are the good Evangelists like Billy Graham. He is a great speaker and a motivator. He was a friend to many Presidents and had a great following. I don't consider these people Bible Thumpers.
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posted on November 30, 2004 09:00:20 AM newI was surfing through the channels and came across my old buddy Pat Robertson and his 700 Club TV show.
My suggestion to you is quit surfing and watch only the programs that fit your needs. There are people that enjoy him so why not just let this go and find your self watching more Ellen and Will and Grace.
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posted on November 30, 2004 01:12:17 PM new
Libra, did you say this bothers you? Where did you say that? I must have missed it.
Guess only certain people can make snide suggestions or comments without it being pseudo-psychoanalyzed.
I think yeager should go on a retreat with no TV, radio, newspapers, etc, up in the woods somewhere. I bet his free-thinking brain would probably pop within minutes without everything that he allows to inundate and influence his "free-thinking-mind!"
AND What a joke that is!
(You saw it on tv or the internet and now you think its your own free thinking!!)
posted on November 30, 2004 01:18:59 PM new
Libra: My suggestion to you is quit surfing and watch only the programs that fit your needs.
I guess you are not willing to be open minded. Afraid to might learn something if you watch something new? Or will you be confused if what watch something new and it provokes thought because it it goes against everything you were taught up to that point.
Lead, follow or get out of the way....I think we know now which category you fit into.
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posted on November 30, 2004 02:06:07 PM newLibra, did you say this bothers you? Where did you say that? I must have missed it.
Perhaps 'bothers' was the wrong word. The fact that Libra63 suggested Yeager stop surfing channels relates to me a certain 'mind set' that some don't approve of others exploring different shows or ideas and commenting on them.
Yes, it all comes back to the 'free thinking' as opposed to those with their robot pre-programmed minds who seem to object to, or are afraid of any free thought or exploration of ideas, good or bad.
Seems like a certain mindset.... don't ever question or look further, just pray and go with the program and all will be okay....... ya, right.
posted on November 30, 2004 02:26:41 PM new"You're a perfect example of why I tore up my donor card yeager... speaking of pathetic..."
As if any of your organs would be useful after you go Twelve. Your heart and brain are missing, your liver and kidney's are shot, you obviously have cataracts, so why pretend you have a donor card to tear up?
posted on November 30, 2004 02:43:13 PM new
The reason yeager surfs this kind of program is just to post it here and get reactions of which, my opinion, he enjoys the limelight. It's like a movie star, he wants to see his name in lights.
I went back and checked and nowhere did I say bother.
You have to admit 12 says exactly what he thinks. Doesn't mix words. That's a good character to have because you can remember from one time to the next just exactly what was said. He never has to look back.
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posted on November 30, 2004 03:02:04 PM new
So you think Yeager just surfs channels to find topics to get reactions to? So why do you post topics here? Why is he any different than anyone else that chooses a topic for the RT?
Of course Twelvepole says what he thinks and it's usually a one-liner that he's repeated so many times that it's old......... or it's a computer acronym like STFU so it's easy for some to read and not have to think any further. He seldom has anything new to say.
Yeager says what he thinks too except he says more so if you really want to discuss his topics you have to actually think........ which isn't a bad thing.
posted on November 30, 2004 10:56:18 PM newYes, it all comes back to the 'free thinking' as opposed to those with their robot pre-programmed minds who seem to object to, or are afraid of any free thought or exploration of ideas, good or bad...
kiara, there is probably not a larger sum of men (or women for that fact) who have pondered things more than those who wrote, read or study the bible....
People of religion are far from pre-programmed. They do question things. And they study. The difference is when they do they look for answers, the search starts from their religion - which has already prepondered man's exististance and morality for ages and ages. If you guys think your coming up with anything new, you're way mistaken.
The only big difference here is a person of religious conviction can draw a conclusion.. based on what they believe is right or in what speaks to them as true, from the benefit of those who have long thought of it and lived it. 'The mindset' you refer to of the Yeager's of this world are not even looking for truth...only looking for falsehoods...and thus can never arrive at it. One simple fact most religious students know already; that sin is offensive to God, or a God.
If you or yeager think it's not already in the bible to beware of false teachers..., or wolves in sheeps clothing; again, your 'ideas' which you think are generated by free-thinking, have already been thought about and documented way before your feet ever hit this earth! Anybody can point out hypocrisy's -- its when you can agree to truth when you see it, you are truly a "free-thinker."
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posted on November 30, 2004 11:37:40 PM newIf you guys think your coming up with anything new, you're way mistaken.
Yeager can speak for himself but actually you don't have a clue what I'm coming up with and probably never will so who are you to say I'm mistaken.
'The mindset' you refer to of the Yeager's of this world are not even looking for truth...only looking for falsehoods...and thus can never arrive at it. One simple fact most religious students know already; that sin is offensive to God, or a God.
And you are qualified to determine that Yeager is only seeking falsehoods? And who is talking about sin here ....... unless you are judging that Yeager is sinning.
And again, you have no idea what my 'ideas' are and you never will. Your determination of 'truth' is yours alone and not mine. You are not one to see my 'truth' as the right or wrong one.
IOW, you have your assessment of what 'truth' is and I have mine and we shouldn't judge each other on our beliefs. That's truly 'free thinking'.
posted on December 1, 2004 03:03:01 AM new
I do have a clue because you are constantly inferring that you are one the free-thinkers, and therefore not a robot like the rest of measly society. correct?
::eyeroll::
My point is this: nothing you or anybody else thinks of is free-thinking and/or new.
It's all influenced from somewhere else, and has previously been hashed around before. The fact that you continue to believe that only your ilk are the free thinkers and questions anything, only proves to me how obstinately uneducated you are. But certainly does not qualify you as free-thinking, where others are not.
And yes, I am qualified to determine from what he (yeager) posts over and over again in what angle he is studying or watching religion for. He admits to it himself. His pleasure is finding fault with it, not seeking or declaring any truth from it. Which has got to be the most asz-backwards reason to study religion - in my opinion.
btw, everyone has a 'clue' here about people from & by what they post.
You still think you got that wizard of oz syndrome of yours going on? Six years and counting of posting, and nobody's supposed to have a clue to who and what you are, or what you think? What is the point of posting your opinion then? Get a brain for yourself, kiara.
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posted on December 1, 2004 05:47:51 AM newI do have a clue because you are constantly inferring that you are one the free-thinkers, and therefore not a robot like the rest of measly society. correct?
Wrong. I never said that at all.
btw, everyone has a 'clue' here about people from & by what they post.
Some only think they do and you've proven yourself to be wrong many times over when it comes to blathering away about me.
Get a brain for yourself, kiara.
I do have a brain and it doesn't think like yours does. I answered you nicely and honestly but you constantly choose to be nasty and mean as well as the fact that you've outright lied several times in the past.
There is a certain hypocrisy because you hide behind your so-called knowledge of the 'truth' and keep trying to judge me on your perceived knowledge of mine. That's why it's pointless to even try to discuss anything with you.
posted on December 1, 2004 06:22:26 AM new
when I first tuned in to that particular discussion, I thought it was a pretty inetresting theme....
Then I quickly got reminded of why I rarely come here anymore in the first place: some members just rub each other the wrong way and instead of argueing a point the rational way prefer slinging mud at each other. If I want that I watch the Jerry Springer Show!
You'll might be to intellectually superior to do that - but it sure reminds me..
I used to come to this site because there seemed to be slightly more intelligent people here than I meet when shopping for groceries...
It exedengly resembles a playground for toddlers - yet you all are so articulate...
posted on December 1, 2004 08:35:10 AM new
Yeah, usually the first page of any discussion is pretty interesting. Usually page two devolves into crowfarm, helen and linda calling each other names.
It's EXTREMELY rare to see a discussion stay on-topic for three pages. I can't think of any.
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posted on December 1, 2004 09:29:04 AM newThen I quickly got reminded of why I rarely come here anymore in the first place: some members just rub each other the wrong way and instead of argueing a point the rational way prefer slinging mud at each other
uh...and do you really imagine that we care what you think?The answer to that is NO.. Happy Holidays!
posted on December 1, 2004 10:07:02 AM new
Yeager, first, people who really watch Pat Robertson, and follow him would be emailing him with their problems. So, the woman watches the 700 club and there is a segment that takes peoples problems via email (never saw it myself, but whatever) If the woman DIDN'T follow Robertson, she'd be writing Dear Abbey
And I didn't see where the kid had a medical problem. Maybe he told her to have him checked out, because sometimes behavioral problems are physical?
I don't watch any TV evangalists or preachers. I HAVE watched Billy Graham, but he does not have a regular show.
posted on December 1, 2004 10:27:07 AM newAnd again, you have no idea what my 'ideas' are and you never will
Why does that statement sound like the stomp of a immature teenager to me? If you state an opinion, you cant decide to disown it because somebody has understood it? You own your opinions. We all do. Ones's opinions and ideas are bound by a very short string.
But if it makes you feel better to think you've been posting here so long and nobody is supposed to know what your posts mean, or where your opinions lean, than by all means carry on with that fantasy.
As far as your other comments, I am not 1/10th as mean to people or offer up nosy, harassing, caustic, remarks on this board as you do. I do see, though, that if its ever returned to you in kind, you retreat with this "you dont even know me" garble.
Well, nobody may not know anybody else, but we all know the opinions of each of the poster's user names. And since you've stated your opinions on numerous topics, you're really no exception to that. You can withhold all the personal data you want as you act as predator on others who've posted here innocently or out of a desire to be 'free' with themselves; but you cant hide from opinions of others with the words or tactics you use.
As far as I am concerned, you are the least of "free"-thinkers or posters who posts here. And since you think you have nothing to learn from, or offer anybody from a personal perspective - I can only feel pity for you that even in an anonymous forum, you're that afraid to be judged, but think its perfectly fine that you do it to everyone else.
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