maggiemuggins
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posted on December 14, 2004 10:29:41 AM new
Mandatory Sterilization of the Mentally ill or Extremely ugly....what's your position?
I believe that the mentally ill should be legally sterilized..
I know of a young couple, both with Downs Syndrome, married and capable of living on their own, with the help of a home health care worker who visits once a week... they are capable of having children and I think this is wrong.. first, they are not capable of caring for a child and second, the odds of an offspring being mentally challenged must go up with both parents carrying this gene..?
I think if two really ugly, people decide to marry and have children.. it should be the legal right of that child (if they turn out scary ugly] to sue the parents for child endangerment or pre-meditated handicapping..
Maggie
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classicrock000
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posted on December 14, 2004 10:40:28 AM new
" Mandatory Sterilization of the Mentally ill and Extremely ugly....what's your position?"
Im all for it-especially where Crowfarts involved.
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maggiemuggins
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posted on December 14, 2004 10:58:43 AM new
The part about the ugly people was a joke..
Classic, who cares what a person looks like on the outside.. I find wit, wisdom, and intelligence to be the highest form of aphrodisiacs there are.
You can marry a pretty woman or handsome man and enjoy the eye candy for some time.. but it soon fades and if your partner was only good to look at.. what are you left with?
I'd rather put a bag over someone's head if need be and still enjoy a good stimulating conversation..anyday.. Maggie
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kraftdinner
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posted on December 14, 2004 12:44:33 PM new
Maggie, I think sterilizing mentally handicapped people is a terrible, horrendous thing to say, BUT sterilizing ugly people should be mandatory. I agree with that part.
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maggiemuggins
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posted on December 14, 2004 12:50:15 PM new
Do you really Krafty? I'd like to hear your views on the subject. Thanks.. Maggie
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classicrock000
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posted on December 14, 2004 01:26:10 PM new
"Classic, who cares what a person looks like on the outside"
only ugly people say that
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maggiemuggins
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posted on December 14, 2004 01:37:29 PM new
LOL....
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Helenjw
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posted on December 14, 2004 01:39:28 PM new
I think that if you sterilized the mentally ill, there would be a dramatic decrease in the world population. The same effect could be achieved by sterilizing all the pretty people.
LOL!
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maggiemuggins
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posted on December 14, 2004 01:50:42 PM new
Was that politically incorrect?
Maybe I am not seeing the down side of my statement?
I don't see where it is such a horrendous thing to say.. I don't think a baby should be brought into the world to be raised by mentally ill parents.... I'm not talking about someone with a tic or a speech impediment.. I mean those who can't take care of themselves, let alone an infant..
Maggie
LOL Helen, perhaps I should have included blondes too?
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kraftdinner
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posted on December 14, 2004 01:57:07 PM new
Maggie, you take me too seriously. 
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maggiemuggins
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posted on December 14, 2004 02:06:05 PM new
I started to second guess myself on the subject Krafty... I thought you were serious.. I wonder if others might think it is a horrendous thought though....I wonder if there is a law... I should google.. Maggie
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classicrock000
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posted on December 14, 2004 02:36:21 PM new
"I think that if you sterilized the mentally ill, there would be a dramatic decrease in the world population"
yea-just think helen-there would be no democrats.
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maggiemuggins
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posted on December 14, 2004 03:00:11 PM new
Yuck Yuck.. that's how Classic gets his rocks off... LOL
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Libra63
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posted on December 14, 2004 04:22:32 PM new
Maggie do they consider down syndrome children mentally handicaped? I think they think that down syndrome children are very smart. I haven't done any research on them so I don't know.
I think I have told this story before a while ago but when I was in x-ray training we did sterilize mentally handicapped adults. It was through the welfare system in the city. Now before anyone says anything it was 50 years ago and I am sure things have changed since.
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MAH645
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posted on December 14, 2004 04:26:57 PM new
Do you have any idea how many people in this country suffer from some type of mental illness? It is not always passed on through the person who is mentally ill.
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dadofstickboy
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posted on December 14, 2004 04:31:09 PM new
Be Careful What you Wish For, You Just May Get It!
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maggiemuggins
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posted on December 14, 2004 05:06:36 PM new
Libra, Downs syndrome is a genetic abnormality.. which includes varying degrees of retardation. I actually have two friends both have daughters with Downs.. one is married to a Downs man and the other still lives with her mother.. both function on about a 10 year old level..
Mah.. I stressed that I was referring to very mentally ill people.. not people with depression or learning disabillities...
Would you entrust an infant to a couple who could not care for themselves let alone a baby? I am not saying that they can't have sexual relationships.. but imo... they shouldn't be permitted to have kids.....
I believe it is the responsibility of the parents of a severely retarded or mentally ill person to have them sterilized...
Maggie.
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CBlev65252
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posted on December 14, 2004 06:04:55 PM new
Maggie
You are partially wrong about Down's Syndrome. My brother had a child with this and it wasn't an inherited condition. It is one of the dangers of having children late in life. Unfortunately, our eggs do get old. Men, on the other hand, have a continuous new production line. Two people with Down's can have a child without it.
I think mandatory sterilization is wrong in too many ways to mention. What a violation of basic civil rights and what an inhumane thing to do. I really am surprised at your views on this. Why stop at "severely" mentally disabled? Depression, anxiety disorders, Schizophrenia are all inherited disorders and are considered mental handicaps. Shall we sterilize all of them as well? What of Savants (sp)? Where would the world be without them? Some very brilliant people where (and are) mentally disabled.
I vote a big, fat NO on this one.
Cheryl
"Success in almost any field depends more on energy and drive than it does on intelligence. This explains why we have so many stupid leaders."
-Sloan Wilson
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maggiemuggins
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posted on December 14, 2004 06:48:08 PM new
No, Cheryl, I believe the contrary..
it is not a violation of civil rights to sterilize people who by giving birth and having sole responsibility for the infant that they produce..would in fact endanger the life of that said infant.
I would not give the responsibility of a newborn to that of a 4 year old or a 6 year old to raise and nurture.. why would we allow adults with the same capabilities do the same? It would be our responsibility for the neglect or endangerment of those infants by allowing this to happen.
I think having repeated myself three times stating that I am not including marginally mentally handicapped people in this equation, or people with disorders that can be managed with medication etc.
Two Down Syndrome parents have a 50% chance of having a Downs child. Please don't think of me as someone who is heard hearted, I am not, but my first concern and priority must be for the most helpless.. and that is the infant who is born into this world totally dependent.
Yes, Schizophrenics, savants, and other individuals who have proved that they can't take care of themselves should be sterilized as well.. if they can't care for themselves, why would you want them to be given the care of a totally dependent infant? I'm not willing to place that baby in jeopardy..
Sorry if my views offend.. Maggie
[ edited by maggiemuggins on Dec 14, 2004 08:11 PM ]
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profe51
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posted on December 14, 2004 08:13:59 PM new
Sterilize Californians. Everybody else gets to breed all they want.
Edit: Those who will sign an agreement to live out their lives within the state of California and see to it that their spoor does the same need not be sterilized.
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kraftdinner
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posted on December 14, 2004 08:34:59 PM new
Maggie, I agree that not everyone should have children but I'm not sure WHO would decide whether a person was mentally fit or not. One thing I would agree to, is if a man raped a child, he should be sterilized.
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crowfarm
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posted on December 14, 2004 11:48:52 PM new
Maggie, I understand your position and really wish I could be the judge of who should or shouldn't have babies.
But look at all the supposedly "normal" people who abuse and even kill their own children. If a couple proves to be unable to take care of a child the county usually steps in.
Cheryl's point is a good one....who decides?.....where does it stop?
At one time doctors would sterilize Native Americans and Blacks without them even knowing about it....these "doctors" thought they knew what was best.
AND, personally I have known people who should have never been parents but these people are considered normal. Like the woman I heard in a store threaten her small child that if they didn't behave she'd leave them there and they'd never see her again.
There are all levels of abuse and it can't always be predicted.
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classicrock000
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posted on December 15, 2004 02:39:08 AM new
"At one time doctors would sterilize Native Americans and Blacks without them even knowing about it....these "doctors" thought they knew what was best"
Well, they did
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crowfarm
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posted on December 15, 2004 09:52:52 AM new
Is this why the thread is locked?
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crowfarm
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posted on December 15, 2004 09:56:01 AM new
clasic, you are one racist nazi pig, I'm sure you'll get applause for that statement from wht's left of the other neonazicons in here but you are garbage.
You should be kicked off Vendio but I'm sure a racist slime bag like you has more than one ID
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classicrock000
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posted on December 15, 2004 10:55:02 AM new
aahhhh whats your point ASSH*LE???
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crowfarm
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posted on December 15, 2004 11:20:01 AM new
classic seems to be trying to bury this so I'll post it again....wouldn't want anyone to miss what a "charmer" this "person" is!
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classicrock000
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posted on December 15, 2004 11:24:11 AM new
heh-heh--deep down, you really want me dont you??
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maggiemuggins
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posted on December 15, 2004 03:54:39 PM new
Yes, of course, Crow, Cheryl, Kraft.. I agree my statements were based on emotions rather than clear thinking.. I see that this would be "playing God".. Even if my thoughts had only the best intentions meant toward the innocent babies..it isn't my place or another's to decide who should or shouldn't have children.. government should never have control on such matters....it would be one tiny step toward creating a Master Race of people...
Classic..are you a racist???
Maggie
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kraftdinner
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posted on December 15, 2004 04:22:48 PM new
Maggie, I think your post made sense. I agree that people that can't look after themselves shouldn't even own pets, let alone have kids. I'm just not sure who'd decide and enforce it. I also think if people don't realize NOW, in this day & age, all the responsibilities and expense of raising children, there's something dreadfully wrong with parenting and reading skills.
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