posted on February 13, 2005 12:45:09 PM new
Sheriff: Online suicide pact had sexual overtones
Alleged plot also involved people in Canada, Britain
Saturday, February 12, 2005 Posted: 10:54 PM EST (0354 GMT)
Gerald Krein, 26, had no prior criminal record. Police interrogate a man in connection with an alleged online suicide plot. The man is custody on suspicion of trying to arrange mass suicide......
KLAMATH FALLS, Oregon (CNN) -- An Internet suicide pact believed planned by an Oregon man for Valentine's Day had sexual overtones and involved computer users in other countries, Klamath County Sheriff Timothy Evinger said Saturday.
Gerald Krein, 26, was charged Thursday with solicitation to commit murder and conspiracy to commit manslaughter, after organizing the effort via an Internet chat room, authorities in Klamath Falls said.
Krein has no previous criminal record.
A grand jury is expected to get the case Monday.
Among those who agreed to kill themselves was a mother who also planned to kill her two young children, Evinger said.
Authorities said Krein apparently planned to coordinate the suicides on Monday over the Internet, possibly by using Web cameras. Evinger said the chat room was no longer active.
The alleged plot was exposed earlier this week when a Canadian woman with the chat room name "hapieluv" got cold feet and alerted authorities.
Saturday, three other women came forward and revealed more information about the group called "Suicide Party 2005," whose members communicated in a chat room by that name. The women said participants were to commit suicide by hanging.
Among the tipsters were two women, who both have children, from Virginia and Missouri.
"There seems to be a common theme that the people who are coming forward are women," Evinger said. "There have been comments about sex acts being performed, whether it's by Internet or in person, followed by a suicide."
Evinger said the alleged suicide plot also extended to Britain.
According to Evinger, Krein used Suicideparty2005 as his Instant Messaging screen name and allegedly organized a chat room involving incest.
In the chat room, a number of suicide options were discussed, including killing oneself while naked, the sheriff said. Authorities provided an example of one of the conversations, which allegedly took place between Krein and a woman.
Question - woman: How did you come up with the idea of a party? That's pretty creative.Answer: Just did. So do you want to join?Answer - woman: Maybe.Question: Do you want to hang?Answer - woman: No, gas.
Evinger said Krein may have tried to contact women through a defunct British Web site dating to July 2003 called www.wannado.com.
One alleged chat room participant said of the message-sender, "He turned from the very beginning, saying, you know, have you ever thought about it? Have you ever joined a suicide party? That was like the third thing he asked me."
Authorities admit they don't know for sure whether any of the members, including Krein himself, planned to commit suicide, or whether some were playing a prank.
But Evinger told CNN, "It becomes more than a hoax to us when a woman from Toronto calls us and indicates she's going to commit suicide.
"If he's trying to get people to commit suicide all over the world, all over the nation, and especially here in Klamath Falls, we take that very seriously."
Wednesday, authorities seized Krein's computer from his parents' home.
Krein moved to southern Oregon a year ago to take care of his ailing father, the sheriff said. Klamath Falls is about 230 miles south of Portland.
posted on February 13, 2005 01:00:45 PM new
These type of things always make me shake my head in disbelief. What is wrong with people like this? Maybe it was a 'prank'...but a very sick one that some people may have carried out, had no one report it.
When people do things like this...or the man who cut off his scrotum..and others say something like 'well...it removes them from the gene pool'...I use to laugh....but I'm beginning to thing maybe they were right.
And in my lifetime I've read about three or four other cases of group suicide like this one. Sick...sick...sick.
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posted on February 13, 2005 01:16:26 PM new
:: These type of things always make me shake my head in disbelief. ::
me too, Linda. It is frightening the amount of people who are so lost and reaching out to the internet like this!?? I could understand somebody being depressed and entertaining sucicide, but what a morbid twisted thing to get involved in if it's a prank, and if its not... group sucicide? I dont even get what people would have in their minds to join a chat like this???
posted on February 13, 2005 01:29:16 PM new
I'm probably going to have to put on my flame-resistant suit for saying this...but I personally believe it's because these people have had no religious background. They believe in nothing. Some believe in the power of money and if they don't have it...then life's not worth living?? If times get tough for them...who do they turn to? Other desperate people who are in the same boat. Those who have found life too difficult to manage by themselves. They have probably isolated themselves from their families...maybe friends...and have no 'support group' or religious faith to fall back on. So...they turn to sickness like this.
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[ edited by Linda_K on Feb 13, 2005 01:32 PM ]
posted on February 13, 2005 01:38:45 PM newbut I personally believe it's because these people have had no religious background.
I personally think it is just the opposite. People believe in religion to much. Do you remember the Heaven's Gate cult? What about the Branch Dividiens? People believe in the faith so much that they are willing to do anything to achieve salvation in the next world.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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[ edited by logansdad on Feb 13, 2005 01:39 PM ]
posted on February 13, 2005 01:57:13 PM new
Yes, logansdad...that cult [not religious group, imo] and the Jim Jones followers. All put their faith in man....not God.
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posted on February 13, 2005 03:37:57 PM new
"People believe in the faith so much that they are willing to do anything to achieve salvation in the next world"
Imagine how pissed off these idiots will be when they find out its Arkansas.
posted on February 14, 2005 11:37:29 AM new
dblfugger9-are there any updates on finding these other people?? I watched our local news, and thats where I first saw this. Some people are just plain stupid, but I surely hope they find the woman with the children!
posted on February 14, 2005 11:42:30 AM new
I don't want to sound cruel, but part of me thinks if people are THAT stupid that they'd even consider such a stupid idea, then maybe they should follow through.
posted on February 14, 2005 01:51:32 PM new
Nearthesea: I havent heard anything, but have not been paying attention or had a chance to. Let you know if I do though
posted on February 14, 2005 07:54:14 PM new
They're probably a bunch of lefties. No religion and all...
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posted on February 14, 2005 08:11:35 PM new
I hear there's some pretty good sport fishing in Arkansas so when I die if thats where they send me in the afterlife, that'd be a-ok with me.
posted on February 14, 2005 09:50:23 PM new
profe: "They're probably a bunch of lefties. No religion and all"......
Well, profe, there's something wrong with em!!
I remember back when if you were even "left-handed" you were the devil's spawn, or so the nuns had to say
posted on February 15, 2005 02:23:42 AM new
hey Im left handed! I used to pitch in high school and in the Navy.In the sports world,they say left handed pitchers are wackier then a friutcake.Ya know what?? they're right!
[ edited by classicrock000 on Feb 15, 2005 10:01 AM ]
posted on February 15, 2005 09:55:30 AM new
Ya, life is always better if you make up some imaginary being and create a cult(YES, religions are CULTS).
I'm sure absolutely NOBODY who believed in a god has ever killed themselves, right, linduh ? And I'm sure you have proof of that?
Oh, I bet when these people were in school they were not made to stand up and chant the "Pledge" with "under god" in it.....Welllll, there ya go! Children who have that missing from their lives must always contemplate suicide....it's pure logic
[ edited by crowfarm on Feb 15, 2005 10:09 AM ]
posted on February 15, 2005 02:04:24 PM new
Rats helen, I was hoping I'd beat her to it this time..
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posted on February 15, 2005 02:05:21 PM new
Rats helen, I was hoping I'd beat her to it this time..
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posted on February 15, 2005 02:28:00 PM new
::I'm sure absolutely NOBODY who believed in a god has ever killed themselves, right, linduh ? And I'm sure you have proof of that?::
I'd bet if somebody did some statistical research on it, the incidence would be much lower though.
