posted on August 7, 2005 10:54:50 AM new
Wouldn't be chasing Bin Laden now if clinton had had the guts to "get" him years ago. clinton tried & missed him "HOW MANY TIMES".
"Why, it appears that we appointed all of our worst generals to command the armies and we appointed all of our best generals to edit the newspapers. I mean, I found by reading a newspaper that these editor generals saw all of the defects plainly from the start but didn't tell me until it was too late. I'm willing to yield my place to these best generals and I'll do my best for the cause by editing a newspaper." --Robert E. Lee
posted on August 7, 2005 08:50:38 PM new
And we wouldn't be in Iraq if Reagan didn't give Iraq weapons and helicopters.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
posted on August 7, 2005 08:56:12 PM new And we wouldn't be in Iraq if Reagan didn't give Iraq weapons and helicopters.
And at that time Iraq was an ally against Iran. You know that country that held American diplomatic personnel hostage for 400 + days. The same Iran that peanut farmer Jimminy Crickett Carter didn't have the guts to go into to rescue the hostages until after Reagan was elected.
"Why, it appears that we appointed all of our worst generals to command the armies and we appointed all of our best generals to edit the newspapers. I mean, I found by reading a newspaper that these editor generals saw all of the defects plainly from the start but didn't tell me until it was too late. I'm willing to yield my place to these best generals and I'll do my best for the cause by editing a newspaper." --Robert E. Lee
Reagan increased the budget for support of the radical Muslim Mujahidin conducting terrorism against the Afghanistan government to half a billion dollars a year.
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In 1985 Reagan sent Senator Orrin Hatch, Undersecretary of Defense Fred Iklé and others to Beijing to ask China to put pressure on Pakistan to allow the US to give the Muslim radicals, such as Hikmatyar, more sophisticated weapons. Hatch succeeded in this mission.
By giving the Muj weaponry like the stinger shoulderheld missile, which could destroy advanced Soviet arms like their helicopter gunships, Reagan demonstrated to the radical Muslims that they could defeat a super power.
Reagan also decided to build up Saddam Hussein in Iraq as a counterweight to Khomeinist Iran, authorizing US and Western companies to send him precursors for chemical and biological weaponry. At one point Donald Rumsfeld was sent to Iraq to assure Saddam that it was all right if he used chemical weapons against the Iranians. Reagan had no taste in friends.
posted on August 8, 2005 09:15:49 AM new
Afghanistan is not Iraq.
"Authorizing ... the precursors".
hmmmm, "precursor to chemical weapons". I always wondered if that container of Tide was destined for that laundry or Napalm.
Do you even know how napalm, sarin, etc is made?
I'm glad Donald told Juan about his mission. Juan should have squealed. For YEARS, the Defense Dept intelligence agencies thought the gas attack in Iraq was the Iranians (the area was the site of intense fighting between the 2 at the time). All that time wasted.
posted on August 8, 2005 01:00:27 PM new
desquirrel has become just another nit picker. She asked a question gets dumped on her butt with a answer. Now desquirrel wants to nit pick. LOL
Bush supporters really have nothing left to say in defense of Bush. People like desquirrel and others have suddenly found themselves in the minority here in America.
I fully understand how Bush supporters feel betrayed and left behind. Now these people are having a hard time adjusting and evolving into the reality of 2005 America.
THE GOOD NEWS IS, EVERYDAY MORE AMERICANS ARE FINDING THEIR WAY OUT OF THE FOG,SMOKE SCREEN AND BULL-ROAR THIS WHITE HOUSE PUT OUT.
posted on August 8, 2005 01:30:49 PM new
Duh-squirrel. You would be wise to investigate before you expose your ignorance.
Juan R. I. Cole is Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History at the History Department of the University of Michigan. A bibliography of his writings may be found here. He has written extensively about modern Islamic movements in Egypt, the Persian Gulf, and South Asia. He has given numerous media and press interviews on the War on Terrorism since September 11, 2001, as well as concerning the Iraq War in 2003. His current research focuses on two contemporary phenomena: 1) Shiite Islam in Iraq and Iran and 2) the "jihadi" or "sacred-war" strain of Muslim radicalism, including al-Qaeda and the Taliban among other groups. Cole commands Arabic, Persian and Urdu and reads some Turkish, knows both Middle Eastern and South Asian Islam, and lived in a number of places in the Muslim world for extended periods of time. His most recent book is Sacred Space and Holy War (IB Tauris 2002). This volume collects some of his work on the history of the Shiite branch of Islam in modern Iraq, Iran and the Gulf. He treated Shi`ism in his co-edited book, Shi`ism and Social Protest (Yale, 1986), of his first monograph, Roots of North Indian Shi`ism in Iran and Iraq (California, 1989). His interest in Iranian religion is further evident in his work on Baha'i studies, which eventuated in his 1998 book, Modernity and the Millennium: The Genesis of the Baha'i Faith in the Nineteenth Century Middle East (Columbia University Press). He has also written a good deal about modern Egypt, including a book, Colonialism and Revolution in the Middle East: Social and Cultural Origins of Egypt's `Urabi Movement (Princeton, 1993). His concern with comparative history and Islamics is evident in his edited Comparing Muslim Societies (Michigan, 1992).
Professional History
1975 B.A. History and Literature of Religions, Northwestern University
1978 M.A. Arabic Studies/History, American University in Cairo
1984 Ph.D. Islamic Studies, University of California Los Angeles
1984-1990 Assistant Professor of History, University of Michigan
1990-1995 Associate Professor of History, University of Michigan
1992-1995 Director, Center for Middle Eastern and North African Studies, University of Michigan
1995- Professor of History, University of Michigan
Scholastic Awards and Grants ; Hudson Research Professorship, Winter, 2003 ; Award for Research in Turkey, May, 1999, International Institute, U-M ; Research Excellence Award, College of LSA, U-M, August, 1997 ; OVPR and LSA Faculty Assistance Fund Grants, June, 1995 ; LSA Faculty Assistance Fund Grant, March 1994 ; Rackham Research Partnership, 1992-93 ; National Endowment for the Humanities, Jan.-June, 1991 ; Office of the Vice-President for Research, U-M (Pakistan), Summer 1990 ; Horace H. Rackham Faculty Grant, Egypt, Summer 1988 ; SSRC/ACLS Post-Doctoral Award, England, Summer 1986 ; Fulbright-Hays Islamic Civilization Postdoctoral Award, Egypt, 1985-86 ; SSRC/ACLS Doctoral Fellowship, Pakistan, India, UK, 1981-83 ; Fulbright-Hays Doctoral Fellowship, India, 1982
At the University of Michigan, I teach courses on the modern history of the Middle East and on South Asia. I regularly teach a survey, History 443 Modern Middle East History. I also offer with fair regularity an upper-level class, History 542 Modern Iran and the Gulf States. Among my favorite courses, which I do not get to teach as often, is History 456 Mughal India. For graduate students I offer History 664 Studies on the Modern Middle East, History 749 Seminar on the Modern Middle East, and History 793 The Study of the Near East, and have co-taught History 615 Comparative World History. In fall, 1998, I offered for the first time History 334, "War and Society in the Modern Middle East."
The Coles were originally the Kohls, from the County of Hessen-Darmstadt, and had a connection to the lumber business there. For more on the Cole genealogy click here. They emigrated to the U.S. around 1830, settling in Pennsylvania as dairy farmers. A branch moved south to Winchester, Virginia, late in the nineteenth century, and so Cole's roots are in the Shenandoah Valley, though he did not spend much time there. Rather, he grew up in a peripatetic military family that happened to be in Albuquerque, N.M., when he was born, and had two long tours in France (a total of seven years) and one 18-month stay at Kagnew Station, in Asmara, Eritrea (then Ethiopia), and which lived all over the U.S. After going to Northwestern and becoming interested in Islamics and the Middle East, he went on to live six years in the Arab world, and another two and a half in South Asia (India and Pakistan, mainly Delhi, Lucknow and Lahore). He writes primarily about three broad areas: the social and cultural history of modern Egypt; the religious and cultural history of modern Iran; and religion in South Asia. In addition to writing history, he enjoys translating, and has rendered into English books by Kahlil Gibran and Mirza Abu'l-Fadl Gulpaygani, as well as working on Urdu fiction. His hobbies include reading literary novels and science fiction, learning languages, bicycling, and the World Wide Web. He married the former Shahin Malik in Lahore in 1982, and they have one son, Arman, born in 1987, (who produced some of the graphics throughout this site).
Recent National Service
Middle East Studies Association of North America:
1999-2004. Editor, The International Journal of Middle East Studies (Published by Cambridge University Press for the Middle East Studies Association of North America).
1998 Program Committee chair, MESA annual conference
1996, 1989 Officer Nominating Committee
1991, Book Award Committee, Middle East Studies Association
1988-1992 Book Review Editor, International Journal of Middle East Studies
posted on August 8, 2005 01:39:04 PM new
LOL...once again helen shows her preference to Islamic professors. Guess what? They're not on our side - a couple have been arrested too. This one is helen's gospelman though....he and ol' liberal nut case, kos.
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I like desquirrel's comparison....peepa vs. juan cole. Good comparison....just liberal opinions, nothing more. Except I'd probably even give peepa a higher rating for being on our countries side of the issue.....even as anti-Bush as he is....than I would juan cole's.
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And bear....some say 4 times, some say 5 times clinton could have had binladen if he really wanted him. But he was too scared to do anything pre-emptively, even after the 5 attacks AQ had made against our interests/soldiers.
posted on August 8, 2005 01:55:12 PM new
And out lopes poor old linda to display her profound ignorance with a link to The Washington Times which epitomizes conservative media....cited in "Right Wing Media and How It Corrupts Democracy" as governed by a calculatedly unfair political bias with journalistic ethics close to nil.
posted on August 8, 2005 02:12:09 PM new
LOL...yes, helen....I'm quite aware that even though it's Sandy Berger...advisor to clinton...you won't accept HIS words only because it's an article from a news source not similar to the Moscow Times. I understand....just reporting the FACTS aren't enough. They have to come from some liberal paper, that you REFUSE to identify, that further left than the NYT or the WA Post.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 8, 2005 02:16:23 PM new
We all know how journalists should be reporting the news, desquirrel. But that's just not the way it's been for years and years now. They're [MSM] very much one-sided, left leaning lobbyists for the democratic party.
And more and more lefties like helen are turning to these wacko sites to get their 'news'. No need to substanciate sources with them....just give their opinions and those who can't think for themselves buy whatever nonsense they're pushing at the time.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 8, 2005 02:35:55 PM new
Your sites are wacko, linda...Not mine. When you prefer to cite material from Drudge, News Max, Fox news, WSJ, Townhall, and other right wing rags, how on earth can you be critical of someone with the credentials of Juan Cole who is respected all over the world. Even the U.S. Congress relies on his knowledge...he has testified before Congress on Middle Eastern matters in the past.
posted on August 8, 2005 02:50:54 PM new
helen....what you aren't getting is that this Wa Times article is quoting Berger....and the times he was against getting binladen.
What part don't you get that HE made these NOTES on paper and that the WA Times is reporting HIS own words from the 9-11 commission report?
You refuse to accept any information that quotes people....and now you're refusing to believe either of he TWO commissions that investigated how clinton FAILED to capture binladen WHEN HE COULD HAVE. It's proved FACT.
So....you just continue along denying the facts all you want. But it won't change them at all.
And are you ever going to share with us which news media paper YOU do believe to be far left enough for YOUR liking? You have stated many times you don't believe the NYT or the WA Post are liberal papers. But for some very strange reason you refuse to name a paper you do see as being liberal. What are you scared of helen?
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 8, 2005 04:25:50 PM new
desquirrel and Linda_K, got stuffed again. I guess they can't except their ship is sinking and their Captain is going down with the ship. That is until no one is watching. Until no one is watching he is "STEADFAST" and "WORKING HARD" at the ranch. Better put on your life vests old girls.
posted on August 8, 2005 04:34:39 PM new
Poor Linda_K is so upset she SCREAMED 10 TIMES in her last post. All from an old AIR BAG that is so against SCREAMERS. LOLs old woman LOLs.
posted on August 8, 2005 05:57:28 PM new
WELL BIG.....I GUESS YOU DONT LIKE TO HEAR IT EITHER HEH???????
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Golfer:Stop checking your watch all the time,its too much of a distraction.
Caddy:Its not a watch, its a compass
posted on August 8, 2005 06:08:24 PM newLike we asked before, please outline the "weapons" we gave Iraq.
Another lie saying the information was never provided. This information was already supplied to you people a few times. It is not my fault that you have a poor memmory ore refuse to accept the fact that Reagan aided Iraq.
Reagan took the first step in November 1983 when he removed Iraq from the U.S. government's official list of "nations that support international terrorism.." That opened the door to full diplomatic and economic cooperation between Iraq and the United States.
Jabber says the Reagan administration never seriously tried to stop Iraq using chemical weapons. "Everything we did was checked with America," he said. "They knew our policy was to use chemical weapons on the Iranian army when they entered our territory. We told them that and they continued to help us."
As the war dragged on, Saddam's tactics became increasingly more brutal. He launched al-Anfal in northern Iraq, a massive campaign of ethnic cleansing against his own Kurdish population, which -- tired of Saddam's oppressive rule ű was siding with Iran. That campaign left tens of thousands of Kurds dead. Hundreds of thousands were led out of their villages at gunpoint, and their homes bulldozed behind them.
The Reagan administration barely took note of the Anfal campaign. While U.S. forces did nothing to protect Iraqi Kurds, they began to fight directly with Iran. On October 8, 1987 U.S. warships destroyed two Iranian patrol boats in the Persian Gulf. Then, on April 18, 1988 U.S. warships blew up two Iranian oil rigs, sank a frigate and destroyed an Iranian missile boat.
Amin is forgiving. "The USA supported Saddam because they thought this relation with Saddam would benefit them. Every country does this. Then they changed their mind. They wanted to remove Saddam, so they started a war against him."
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
posted on August 8, 2005 06:10:33 PM newAnd more and more lefties like helen are turning to these wacko sites to get their 'news'.
Linda says this but then she believes everything that comes out the mouth of the wacko called Ann Coulter. Now there is an un-baised source for one to get their news from.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
posted on August 8, 2005 06:19:07 PM new
Sorry, the only one supplying the info was me about the aid package including helicopters, tactical gear (radios, uniforms, etc).
All you ever did was carry on about "weapons", soon to be followed by crowfarm's "weapons of mass destruction".
posted on August 8, 2005 06:19:30 PM new
LOL logan...
just one problem with the false conclusion you have come up with....
I've never said she was an unbiased source.
See the difference...between stating the NYT and the WA Post ARE NOT liberal papers and Ann Coulter's articles or other right leaning articles I post where I've NEVER said any such thing?
Obviously not....LOL
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
Now there is an un-baised source for one to get their news from.