posted on August 11, 2005 06:27:40 AM new
Published August 11, 2005
The Rolling Stones are taking aim at elements of the American right with a new song on their upcoming album.
The track, "Sweet Neo Con," boasts the line, "You call yourself a Christian, I call you a hypocrite/You call yourself a patriot, well I think you're full of ..." Newsweek reports.
"It is direct," Mick Jagger was quoted as saying, adding that bandmate Keith Richards was "a bit worried" about a backlash because the guitarist lives in the United States and Jagger does not.
The song also includes the line: "It's liberty for all, democracy's our style/Unless you are against us, then it's prison without trial."
"It is certainly very critical of certain policies of the [Bush] administration, but so what! Lots of people are critical," Jagger told TV's "Extra" on Wednesday.
"Sweet Neo Con" is one of 16 tracks featured on the Stones' new album, "A Bigger Bang," which drops in the United States on Sept. 6.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
posted on August 11, 2005 07:09:55 AM new
The Bushes are exceedingly sensitive about poetry readings and songs such as this. Expect a few embarassing visits from the SS agents... Dylan got their attention when he sang,
You fasten the triggers
for others to fire
then you set back and watch
when the death count gets higher.
And the American poets reading at the White House, which was meant to focus on the works of Emily Dickinson, Langston Hughes and Walt Whitman was cancelled when it was learned that the poets did not support the war.
Now, I suppose our Secret Service will tackle the Rolling Stones. LOL
posted on August 11, 2005 07:46:27 AM new
Anyone want to take bets on how long before there is a backlash against Ameriquest for sponsoring the upcoming tour?
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
- Ann Coulter
[ edited by fenix03 on Aug 11, 2005 07:52 AM ]
posted on August 11, 2005 08:51:08 AM new...a backlash against Ameriquest for sponsoring the upcoming tour?
fenix, this is the Rolling Stones were talking about here, right?
They're 50 and 60 something years old and still maken' money with tours. Do you think Ameriquest didnt have a clue who they signed on to sponsor? It's really not just republicans who want to make money, is it?
posted on August 11, 2005 08:51:43 AM new
You're so right, Ron
In today's Drudge Report:
washingtonpost.com
Britain to deport 10 foreigners seen as threat
By Michael HoldenReutersThursday, August 11, 2005; 10:56 AM
LONDON (Reuters) - Britain detained 10 people on Thursday, including the alleged spiritual leader of al Qaeda in Europe, saying they were a threat to national security and would be deported.
posted on August 11, 2005 09:03:57 AM new
From the Drudge Report - today.
washingtonpost.com
Jagger Says Song Not an Anti-Bush Tirade
The Associated PressWednesday, August 10, 2005; 6:24 PM
NEW YORK -- The Rolling Stones' upcoming album contains a song seemingly critical of President Bush, but Mick Jagger denies it's directed at him, according to the syndicated TV show "Extra."
"It is not really aimed at anyone," Jagger said on the entertainment-news show's Wednesday edition. "It's not aimed, personally aimed, at President Bush. It wouldn't be called 'Sweet Neo Con' if it was."
The song is from the new album, "A Bigger Bang," set for release Sept. 6. There is no mention of Bush or Iraq. But it does refer to military contractor Halliburton, which was formerly run by Vice President Cheney and has been awarded key Iraq contracts, and the rising price of gasoline.
"How come you're so wrong? My sweet neo-con, where's the money gone, in the Pentagon," goes one refrain.
The song also includes the line: "It's liberty for all, democracy's our style, unless you are against us, then it's prison without trial."
"It is certainly very critical of certain policies of the administration, but so what! Lots of people are critical," Jagger told "Extra."
A representative for the Stones said the group had no further comment about the song.
The Rolling Stones intend to kick off a U.S. tour in Boston Aug. 21.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 11, 2005 09:43:52 AM new
Another change to be made in the UK? Bet the liberals would LOVE this one.
British Government May Take Control of Some Muslim Schools
Report says the government is thinking of creating up to 150 Muslim schools within the state sector.
By ROBERT NOWELL
(RNS) To help combat terrorism, the British government is proposing an enormous expansion of the number of Muslim schools within its state sector, a London newspaper has reported.
The Sunday Telegraph report says that the government is thinking of creating up to 150 Muslim schools within the state sector in an attempt to bring them more into the mainstream of British life.
It would in effect be a government takeover bid for independent Muslim schools, many of which are hampered by a shortage of funds and some of which concentrate on study of the Quran to the detriment of a more basic curriculum.
At present there are only five Muslim schools within the state sector. The first, Islamia school in North London founded by the singer Cat Stevens (Yusuf Islam), was granted state recognition in 1998.
Of the nearly 14,000 state primary and secondary schools in England and Wales (Scotland has a separate educational system), roughly half are run by churches and other faith communities: 4,600 are Church of England (Anglican), 2,100 Catholic, with a handful of Methodist and other Christian schools. There are 31 Jewish schools and two Sikh schools.
Asked at a press conference last Friday whether Muslim state schools should continue, Prime Minister Tony Blair said: "We are actually looking to make sure that faith schools are very much incorporated into the mainstream, and that should apply to all categories of faith school.
"The point is to encourage as much of that in the mainstream.
We are having a discussion about how that operates."
Education Secretary Ruth Kelly is expected to announce detailed proposals this autumn.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 11, 2005 02:49:30 PM new
Dbl - Common girl - you know that all republicans were democrats in their youth.
I think Ameriquest knew the band they were signing on as one that has not been known for big political statements. In fact, until this album got ready for release no one really knew about this song. It was not on the promo copies that were sent out. As usual for the Stones, they made a very smart marketing move and kept this one secret right up until release. No one gets a chance to hear the track until the actual album drops. Hats off on that one!!
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
- Ann Coulter
[ edited by fenix03 on Aug 11, 2005 02:54 PM ]
posted on August 11, 2005 03:16:11 PM new
Yup, ole Mick Jager, the poster boy for "DRUGS R US". Took LSD (among other drugs) on several occasions to expand his mind and never made the trip back.
"Why, it appears that we appointed all of our worst generals to command the armies and we appointed all of our best generals to edit the newspapers. I mean, I found by reading a newspaper that these editor generals saw all of the defects plainly from the start but didn't tell me until it was too late. I'm willing to yield my place to these best generals and I'll do my best for the cause by editing a newspaper." --Robert E. Lee
posted on August 11, 2005 04:06:49 PM new
Bear, more of a heroin addict, I always thought but maybe that was Richards?
Well, fenix, you may be right. These are different days we live in. But I cant believe a sponser even NOT knowing about a political song, would sign on with the rolling stones if there wasnt something they expected to get out of that collaboration. They may not be overtly political, but they've never been politically correct. I dont think Ameritech was unaware of this is the band that wrote sympathy for the devil?
(Mickey-boy sure was channeling something on that one huh fenix? \\ Sounded exactly like what Lucifer himself, would say to us, I always thought! )
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posted on August 11, 2005 04:26:29 PM new
Jagger the multi-billionare knight and Bush the
stately son of a President. Maybe they do have some things in common?
And before fenix comes here to tell me something she probably thinks I dont know...is yes, I know what heroin is called and why several certain song were written.
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[ edited by dblfugger9 on Aug 11, 2005 04:27 PM ]
posted on August 11, 2005 05:01:09 PM new
Dbl - I just think that there is a big difference between a classic band 20 years removed from their "edgy" history and a new release that slams the current political climate, fundamentalism, etc. I'm not saying that they shouldn't be signed on, I'm just predicting that some group is going to try to organize a boycott/protest against Ameriquest because that certainly seems to be the fundamentalist reaction of choice.
Strange that they ddon't seem to have realized that most of their actions end up helping the cause/company they are trying to influence.
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
posted on August 11, 2005 05:19:21 PM new
You may be right, fenix. I dont know enough about them (Ameriquest)as a company to judge if they will cave or not. Will be interesting to see which way it goes though.
Is it Amerquest or Ameritech?
pffst! I havent read the story. Only heard it here so not sure if I misread that or you made a typo or two! hahaha!@
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[ edited by dblfugger9 on Aug 11, 2005 05:23 PM ]
posted on August 11, 2005 05:29:43 PM new
Ameriquest - it's a mortgage company. Their advertising is campaign behind this is that they help you make your dream come true... whether it is buying a home of seeing the Rolling Stones live.
Typos? Me? Never!!
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
posted on August 11, 2005 05:31:23 PM new
" Bear, more of a heroin addict, I always thought but maybe that was Richards? "
I remember watching an interview with Keith Richards on some program a couple of years ago.....I couldnt tell if he was alive or not.
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Golfer:Stop checking your watch all the time,its too much of a distraction.
Caddy:Its not a watch, its a compass
posted on August 11, 2005 07:08:31 PM new
classic, We watched something before and my husband said, ,he's drunk right? And I said, nah, I think thats the way he is all the time. But I wonder if they are rehearsing like crazy or something because I couldnt see mick jaggers eyes in the interview. They were like closed slits on his face everytime he talked and I was squinting my eyes to see if thats what I was really seeing on his face...
Okay fenix.
What have we got then?
Mortgage Company
=money=republicans?=Sales+goaloriented...
Now with just that, I'd say they bite the bulletts with full warped speed ahead. (Look, they are getting name recognition already!)
Wheres your bet, Fenix?
I will bet you one ebay listing fee for 9.99!
They said on the news, some web site was taking bets on who would replace Peter Jennings and they thought that was really cheap...but the internet cheapens most everything doesnt it? (Wonder why that is? The general mentality of the people on it most?) ha!
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[ edited by dblfugger9 on Aug 11, 2005 07:10 PM ]
posted on August 11, 2005 08:06:36 PM new
Like Drudge is calling their opening tonight (in Canada) "The Strolling Bones" with a combined age of 245 years.
"Why, it appears that we appointed all of our worst generals to command the armies and we appointed all of our best generals to edit the newspapers. I mean, I found by reading a newspaper that these editor generals saw all of the defects plainly from the start but didn't tell me until it was too late. I'm willing to yield my place to these best generals and I'll do my best for the cause by editing a newspaper." --Robert E. Lee
posted on August 11, 2005 08:24:07 PM new
This thing is all over Fox and you want to put money on it? Let me guess.. you split 10's blackjack too.
The betting sites are sometimes really tacky. Speaking of Jennings, did you see the ABC special on him yesterday? It was great! What an amazing life he led.
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
posted on August 11, 2005 08:36:26 PM new
I saw alot on Jennings but I dont think I saw anything that was his whole timeline life capsule.
But I did hear they are going to do some memorial for him? Didnt catch the whole thing.
I didnt expect his funeral to be public, but I am glad they are letting the public remember him too.
So your betting against me? Is that right?
lol
hmmmm....
Bear, they come out with some funny ones about their ages!
edit out comment about fox saw it said ABC.
[ edited by dblfugger9 on Aug 11, 2005 08:38 PM ]
posted on August 11, 2005 09:09:41 PM new
They did a two hour special on ABC on him last night. Old producers, other correspondents, his sister... It was great. The two things that stuck were an old producer talking about a recent trip he made back to Jeruselum... talking about them walking thru town and him stopping and talking to a falafel vendor, a guard at the mosque, a kid in the street... she said "It's not just that Peter Jennings knew the Middle East, the Middle East knew Peter Jennings." Then a current producer talking about a call in Jennings made to the studio on the morning of the London bombings and giving tips on points he thought should be made in the coverage and the fact that people in the US won't relate to the lovcations automatically but they know landmarks like Big Ben and the Palace and to show the bombing locations in relation to those landmarks. the producer said it shined a light on just how badly he was needed at a time like this.
I can't believe I didn't record it.
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
posted on August 11, 2005 09:42:27 PM new
Sounded good. I watched most of the coverage about him. Reminded me alot of my mother. As she aged and became ill, it was like her day revolved around him. I call her up to ask what she was doing or was planning to do. She'd say, I'm going to do this that and the other..and then I am going to sit down and watch Peter Jennings. So thats how it hit to home alot for me. She really liked him. The swashbuckling private eye looking handsome type I think.. lol.
Maybe you can get a tape from ABC or they will re-air it sometime (although that doesnt seem very likely.) Somebody on this internet must have it tho!! Now ya got me curious and I'd like to see it.
That was smart of him about the big ben and stuff. But they also- Walters Croncite Williams and the others didnt cut him any slack, too. They said he was a stickler and could be almost retentive in his compulsion to control everything. ~~Well, nobody on this earth is perfect but he was very highly regarded.
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[ edited by dblfugger9 on Aug 11, 2005 09:53 PM ]
posted on August 12, 2005 04:07:48 AM new
"They said he was a stickler and could be almost retentive in his compulsion to control everything. ~~Well, nobody on this earth is perfect but he was very highly regarded."
Well if he was that highly regarded maybe he should be in control,why let some jerk foul up his work.He was a "stickler"??? then you say nobody on this earth is perfect.You know what being a stickler means? It means you want everything done right! Is there something wrong with that? If all the workers in the U.S. were sticklers we wouldnt be importing crap from all over the world. People buy foreign cars because they are better made.We import electronics from Japan because they are better made.Ya know what I mean bunky??<smooches>
posted on August 12, 2005 04:28:53 AM new
Protesting by song or poetry is nothing new. The 1970's were full of songs protesting the Vietnam war. Right, classic? Anger over the Vietnam war produced some great songs. Personally, I never cared for the Rolling Stones. They must be doing something right, though. They're still making money. I just don't happen to think Jagger can sing. Green Day's song Holiday became a hit and I can see this one becomming one also purely on subject matter. If you don't like the message of the song, don't listen to it.
You can go on and on complaining about it but, in this country we still have the right to peaceful protest and protesting by song is pretty peaceful. We also have the right to listen to or not listen to whatever we want. For now.
posted on August 12, 2005 04:54:43 AM newyou now what stickler means? It means you want everything done right!
Well classic, my poodle, perhaps stickler was the wrong word here. I really dont feel like chumping on a dead mans grave right about now..I only relayed what I heard his colleagues said about him.
And yes, I know what the word means. But sometimes perfection driven performance is the worst kind of imperfection,imo. [It causes alot of unnecessary stress.]
I am sure he wasnt perfect either. But to me, that more endearing and flattering than being built up to into this iron finished icon like he was God or something! No one really is 100% perfect, classic. (Nobody except you and me, of course. hahaha!)
[ edited by dblfugger9 on Aug 12, 2005 04:55 AM ]
"You can go on and on complaining about it but, in this country we still have the right to peaceful protest and protesting by song is pretty peaceful. We also have the right to listen to or not listen to whatever we want. For now."
But those rights are slipping away as you can see right here in this little corner where threats of a paltry piss-ant can disrupt and intimidate.
