posted on September 1, 2006 11:18:47 AM new
HEY BUSH, CRIME IS UP NATION WIDE. NO MORE LIP SERVICE FROM YOU. GET OFF YOUR AZZ,GET OFF VACATION START WORKING FOR THE U.S.A. NOT JUST IRAQ AND THE RICH OR RESIGN!!!
Mayors, Police Chiefs Rip Feds on Crime
By Beverley Lumpkin, CBS News
(Aug. 31) - Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty spoke Wednesday at the Police Executive Research Forum, where he was barraged with a series of highly critical questions from some very unhappy police chiefs and mayors.
McNulty clearly knew coming in that he was going to be grilled. But the criticism was much stronger than he seemed to have anticipated, and he did not seem to be very well-briefed on some issues of prime importance to the attendees.
Before McNulty began speaking at the forum, where no cameras were allowed, there was a summary of statistics. The numbers clearly reflected an increase in crime nearly everywhere across the country. The spikes were notable and alarming, and PERF head Chuck Wexler said they reflected that the rise in crime "Is not about one city; it's about the country."
With that kind of preamble, when McNulty opened his remarks and quickly mentioned the "potential rise in crime," he was already off on the wrong foot.
He spoke of how much he likes getting together with law enforcement personnel and how important it is to have working partnerships with state and local agencies. He stated several times how anxious he was to hear from them what the feds can do to help. He also delivered an apologia, saying he was "well aware there are many needs and desires on the part of law enforcement that we are not able to address," and adding that the challenge is to look for ways that the feds can help.
The first question went right to the heart of the Bush administration's policy on guns — and the fact that Congress "is making it harder for the police and ATF to track" them. The questioner begged McNulty's aid in making it easier to trace the guns, making the point that the problem is kids with guns and tracing them would make their partnerships work more easily. McNulty seemed unaware of the issue. What in particular, he asked, was the problem?
Trenton, N.J., Mayor Doug Trenton spoke up, citing restrictions on the use of data. He noted that his state has one of the nation's toughest gun laws, but said Pennsylvania has one of the most liberal, and thus guns come into his state far too easily.
"I know the NRA is strong, but we're stronger," Palmer said. In addition, he noted, members of Congress don't have to call a parent whose child has been shot in the face.
McNulty mentioned that he'd recently visited the ATF's tracing center in West Virginia and said that they're making great progress. But, he added, he had to "confess" he was "not familiar" with the issue.
Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick seemed to have heard all he could take.
"What you see is a national evasion of the gun problem. ... The problem has become bigger than Capitol Hill. … We really need a national response," Kilpatrick said.
He added that when he took office, homicides were down but "now everything is exploding again." He "thought it was a Detroit problem" until he got to the meeting. His police chief had been assuring him Detroit was not alone, but he didn't believe it until now.
Kilpatrick argued the need for an effective, national emergency response. It's "the NRA versus the rest of everybody else," he lamented, adding that help is necessary now that "every city in the country is saying I got 13-year-olds with guns" robbing and killing.
The room burst into loud applause when Kilpatrick pointed out that there is $386 billion going to the fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq, but that local law enforcement needed a substantial amount of that money, plus a national plan.
Providence, R.I., Mayor David Cicilline complained that President Bush had never met with police chiefs. "There's a war on the streets and the President doesn't meet with us. The federal government has given up on us," Cicilline said.
He also indicated that the feds "came up with a remarkable solution 10 years ago — to send money to locals to take care of crime — but now they've given up on that," referring to the COPS program, launched during the Clinton administration. COPS aimed to send money to states and local entities to hire, train and equip police officers. The goal was to get 100,000 police on the street.
McNulty seemed taken aback, but said he understood very well how significant that funding had been.
"You say there's less police on the streets than before 9/11. That's an important thing to know," McNulty noted.
Bill Bratton, Police Chief of Los Angeles, then noted that the surge in crime has a new and troubling element — it's largely driven by young people who are disassociated from mainstream America. Bratton advised McNulty to relay that message to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, and to President Bush and Congress. Bratton said the COPS program had "gotten it right" and asked for the federal government's involvement anew.
"Homeland security has become the monster that ate criminal justice!" Springfield, Mass., Police Commissioner Edward Flynn added.
The COPS grants have disappeared, but there's no single guilty party, Flynn lamented. What's gradually happened, he said, is that "we've got a zero-sum game.
"Doing our core mission, we can be more effective homeland security partners. But if we are overwhelmed with our core mission, we can't be good homeland security partners," Flynn said. But he added that there can't be a "forced choice" between homeland security and criminal justice "resulting in more dead bodies."
Copyright 2006, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.
[ edited by bigpeepa on Sep 1, 2006 11:19 AM ]
posted on September 1, 2006 01:24:56 PM new
Better yet bigdumbazz,
How about you getting off of your lazy liberal azz and start doing something about it. Reducing crime starts at home. If you do nothing, why should anyone else?
I know I have. I organized a neighborhood watch program where I live. We had one of the higher crime rates in the city. Over the past three years, we have had the lowest calls for service in the city.
That's how it is done bigdopa. Not by sitting on your liberal azz complaining about it, but actually getting up and putting it into action.
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Many misleading tricks in 2006. The new Demomoron slogan.
posted on September 1, 2006 03:08:13 PM new
HEY STONE, EVERY WORKING PERSON IN THE U.S. PAYS TAXES FOR POLICE PROTECTION. GET IT? FROM WHAT THIS ARTICLE SAYS BUSH IS LETTING A LOT OF AMERICANS DOWN ABOUT CRIME. GET IT?
I AM VERY ACTIVE IN MY COMMUNITY AND HAVE BEEN FOR A LONG TIME. I DO MORE THAN ONE ACTIVITY THAT HELP THE OLD,THE POOR AND THE SICK. I AM LUCKY ENOUGH TO LIVE IN A LOW CRIME AREA THAT ALREADY HAS A CRIME WATCH GROUP.
I COMMEND YOU ON YOUR COMMUNITY CRIME WATCH GROUP! GOOD WORK ON YOUR PART!
NOW HOW ABOUT YOU ADDRESSING THE HIGHER CRIME PROBLEM ACROSS THE NATION NOT JUST IN YOUR BACK YARD.
YOU NEOCONS SEEM TO HAVE VERY NARROW VISION OF WHAT IS GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY. ITS LIKE MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS O.K.,MY JOB IS FINE,I HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE OR I MAKE ENOUGH MONEY FOR MY FAMILY SO THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS TO ME.
I AM NOT GOING TO TOLD BY YOU TO GET OFF MY LIBERAL ASS. I AM PROUD TO BE A HARD WORKING LIBERAL THAT HAS BEEN OFF HIS LIBERAL ASS FOR A LONG TIME. I AM PROUD TO BE A LIBERAL THAT SEES A LARGER PICTURE OF WHAT HELPS NOT ONLY ME AND MY BACKYARD BUT OTHER PEOPLE AND THIS COUNTRY.
HEY STONE TAKE YOUR BLINDERS OFF THERE IS A BIGGER COUNTRY AND WORLD OUT THERE.
posted on September 2, 2006 12:34:10 PM newHEY STONE, EVERY WORKING PERSON IN THE U.S. PAYS TAXES FOR POLICE PROTECTION. GET IT?
Police protection is only as good as the people living in the neighborhood. If no one steps up to the plate and reports crime, like in the neighborhoods you speak of, how do the police know to come? Sure they can patrol, but if you knew anything about policing, you would know that is only a minor set back for the criminals. They usually can wait out any patrols. This is why you lazy demomorons need to get off of your lazy azzes and do something for yourself.
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Many misleading tricks in 2006. The new Demomoron slogan.
posted on September 2, 2006 02:43:20 PM new
Stone just can't except the fact that most Democrats work very hard.
While I commend you on starting a crime watch in your area. At the same time I am wondering like you NEOCONS say, "maybe you should have made better choices in you life" if you living in a high crime area.
Because of your attitude you continually prove the THERE IS NO CURE FOR NEOCON STUPID.
Please remember when we had a Democrat President the crime rate went down. Clinton put more Police "boots on the ground" and gave Police more funding.
Bush has photo ops and give lip service to Americas problems then goes on VACATION!!!
BTW,DOES BUSH HOLD A RECORD FOR THE MOST VACATION TIME AS PRESIDENT? SEEMS LIKE I HEARD THAT SOMEPLACE.
posted on September 3, 2006 10:37:20 AM newBTW,DOES BUSH HOLD A RECORD FOR THE MOST VACATION TIME AS PRESIDENT? SEEMS LIKE I HEARD THAT SOMEPLACE
I don't know if he's held the record for the most vacation
BUT
Do you think that he leaves all security briefings, and all the other things that Presidents have to do, sitting on a desk waiting for him to be off vacation????
peepa, do you think that if a President is away from the White House that he doesn't work?
Didn't think so.
Any surgery or even dental procedures where the President(s) would be knocked out, or even 'twilight sleep' they have the Vice Prez take over. You've heard of this haven't you?
posted on September 3, 2006 08:42:16 PM new
Hey LIAR_K, LIKE I SAID BUSH AND HIS CON-SERVATIVE LAWMAKERS ARE SOFT ON CRIME.
Police Chiefs Cite Youths in Crime Rise, Call for More Federal Funds
By Allison Klein
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, August 31, 2006
Cincinnati had a 30-year high in homicides last year. Philadelphia recorded the city's most killings in 10 years. And Orlando logged its most slayings ever.
Violent crime is rising in many communities across the country, including the Washington area, and police chiefs and mayors from about 50 cities and counties gathered in the District yesterday to discuss, and vent about, the trend.
Los Angeles Chief William Bratton described a "gathering storm of crime." (Nick Ut - AP)
"We are here to say, America, we have a problem," Los Angeles Police Chief William Bratton told the group. "We need to refocus on this gathering storm of crime."
Crime is at a "tipping point" in America, said Chuck Wexler, executive director of the Police Executive Research Forum, which organized the National Violent Crime Summit.
"We are turning the country over to our young people, and they are killing each other," said Dean Esserman, police chief of Providence, R.I., where robberies have increased. "Violence has become gratuitous. Where is the moral outrage?"
One after another, participants recited grim statistics.
In Washington, Police Chief Charles H. Ramsey declared a crime emergency last month after the city had 11 homicides in 13 days, on top of a 15 percent increase in robberies.
Suburban Washington has been struggling with some of the same trends. Robbery hit an all-time high in Montgomery County last year and is up 10 percent this year. Crime has dipped this year in Prince George's County, but last year the county logged a record number of homicides.
In Alexandria, robberies are up 24 percent, and in Fairfax County they jumped by 25 percent.
Across the country, crime has slowed significantly since the crack cocaine wars of the 1990s, which brought an explosion of slayings and violence. But in the past 18 months, officials say, they have seen gunplay, robberies and other violence returning to the streets.
Last year, about 16,000 people were slain across the nation.
The killings are fueled by everything from methamphetamines in Las Vegas to gangs in Sacramento, Calif., officials said.
Houston officials attribute their recent spike in homicides in part to a handful of destructive people who moved there after Hurricane Katrina, saying they were involved in 60 slayings.
Anthony Braga, criminologist at the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University, said criminals' "rules of engagement" changed in the 1990s, when teenagers were increasingly shooting each other over petty disputes and perceived slights.
Los Angeles Chief William Bratton described a "gathering storm of crime." (Nick Ut - AP)
"The youth are clearly driving this," he said. "The age of these kids is going down as the years pass."
The police chiefs talked about a culture that threatens, and sometimes kills, people who cooperate with police. Robert Dunford, a superintendent in Boston, said police are solving fewer crimes and continuing to lose the confidence of the community. Boston solved about 70 percent of its homicides in years past but solved about 29 percent last year, he said.
The chiefs also complained about shrinking police forces and said dwindling federal funds have contributed to the problem.
Some chiefs said law enforcement is suffering as federal funds are diverted to homeland security and the war in Iraq.
Edward A. Flynn, police chief of Springfield, Mass., and former Arlington County chief, said the country has created a "zero sum game, where we have a choice between funding homeland security and criminal justice."
Detroit Mayor Kwame M. Kilpatrick said the scope of the cities represented at the summit was telling.
"When you start seeing cities like Fort Wayne in this room, the problem is bigger than the rhetoric," Kilpatrick said. "Everything is exploding again. We need effective, efficient emergency federal response."
Deputy Attorney General Paul J. McNulty assured the chiefs that he wanted to work with them.
"I see competing demands on resources," McNulty said. "It is expensive to fund our soldiers overseas, and we have to be successful here at home also."
The program also included a session on tactics to combat crime. Neither Ramsey nor D.C. Mayor Anthony A. Williams (D) attended the forum. Nola Joyce, chief administrative officer for the D.C. police, talked about the crime emergency, the city's 10 p.m. curfew for juveniles, police overtime and surveillance cameras in neighborhoods.
Since the crime emergency went into effect July 11, crime has dipped, she said.
THE POOR NEOCONS AND LIARS JUST DENY BUSH'S FAILURES. BUSH GIVES BIG LIP SERVACE AND LITTLE ELSE.
posted on September 4, 2006 07:39:28 AM new
NearTheSea,
IF BUSH WASN'T ON VACATION SO MUCH MAYBE HE WOULD HAVE TIME TO WORK WITH HIS CON-SERVATIVE CONGRESS ON CRIME!!!
About Bush's vacations. The one that stands out to me is his vacation during Katrina. First he was at a party out west then back to his ranch in Texas. Remember he didn't make it to THE DISASTER in New Orleans for several days.
I WAS RIGHT BUSH DID SHATTER THE VACATION RECORD OVER A YEAR AGO. HE IS ON VACATION ALMOST 3 MONTHS A YEAR ABOUT 80 DAYS. I FOR ONE WOULD LIKE TO SEE MY PRESIDENT AT HIS DESK IN WASHINGTON MORE.
Bush shatters vacation record
by kos
Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 10:28:54 AM PDT
Its taken just over four years for Bush to break the vacation record it took Reagan eight years to establish. 336 days.
posted on September 4, 2006 09:27:44 AM new
Oh NO peepa....you said NATIONWIDE.....not just pulling out certain cities where crime has always been the worst.
NATIONWIDE.....your proof please?????
While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation:
What would a Democrat president have done at that point? Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack.
Ann Coulter
posted on September 4, 2006 09:37:26 AM new
If I remember correctly, there were convicts and such running the streets, shooting people for the hell of it, widespread looting...complete lawlessness.
I do not expect ANY president, even ones I don't like, to be put in that atmosphere. Law and order has to be somewhat restored first.
No one, not Nagin nor the residents EXPECTED it to be that bad. I don't know if you've ever been in the vicinity of a hurricane, but I have... more than once. Most people don't expect or prepare for the worst. Katrina was a wake-up call. NOW people pay attention.
Now, back on topic. Of course there is a rise in crime.... More police will not be able to deter this. Young adults have less and less respect for others and their property. These are things that are learned at home at a young age. More and more grandparents are raising their grandchildren because the parents don't want the responsibility. These kids think no one cares about them, so they get "attitudes". Violence everywhere you look- video games, music, the internet, TV, movies... and I mean GRAPHIC violence. Now you have a generation of desensitized, angry young people with no respect and a giant chip on their shoulders.
As far as the NRA, criminals are not members. The NRA is not thrusting guns into the hands of children and telling them to shoot others. I would wager most of the weapons used in violent crime are of an illegal nature or were obtained illegally. I own several rifles, for hunting. If someone breaks into my home and steals them, then uses them in the commision of a crime~ would that mean I promote crime? Of course not. Guns don't kill people, criminals do.
Of course, these are just my opinions... and I'm sure someone will come along shortly and tell me how wrong I am
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posted on September 4, 2006 02:46:42 PM new
LIAR_K, YOUR FULL OF BULL ROAR. LIES LIES IS ALL WE GET FROM YOU AND BUSHY.
YOUR BOY BUSHY IS SOFT ON CRIME AND I JUST PROVED IT. BUSHY AND HIS CON-SERVATIVE LAWMAKERS GIVE BIG LIP SERVICE BUT DO VERY LITTLE!!!!!
twig125silver, President Johnson went to a disaster area that had no lights after dark. He held a flash light under his chin and told the local people. "YOUR PRESIDENT IS HERE".
Don't forget Bushy went to New Orleans at night of a photo op days after Katrina REMEMBER?
JUST REMEMBER PRES. CLINTON LEAD A FIGHT AGAINST CRIME AND DID REDUCE CRIME NATIONWIDE.
SIMPLY PUT WE NEED LAWMAKERS IN WASHINGTON THAT CARE ABOUT ALL AMERICANS NOT JUST A SELECT AND CHOSEN FEW.
posted on September 4, 2006 03:39:34 PM new
And I'm certain if the locals were shooting at the very people there to help them President Johnson would NOT have gone there...... until the area was secure.
That was a different day and age. (I hate to say).
posted on September 6, 2006 07:36:16 AM newYOUR BOY BUSHY IS SOFT ON CRIME AND I JUST PROVED IT
The only thing you proved bigdopa is you are a lazy azzed dope who would rather sit and complain instead of making a real difference. And that is what is wrong with the Demomoron party. They all rather sit and complain instead of making a real difference.
It's time for everyone to realize that everyone's safety begins at home. Demomorons say let everyone else do it. Independents and Republicans say, let's get it done.
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"Unfortunately there are levels of Stupid that just can't be cured!!" The new Demomoron motto.
