chococake
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posted on September 19, 2000 12:52:57 PM new
Today is the day. Don't forget to watch!
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bunnicula
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posted on September 19, 2000 12:56:43 PM new
tell us how it comes out--my lunch hour is up & I've got to drive back to work. 
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njrazd
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posted on September 19, 2000 03:45:00 PM new
Check out Matt Drudge with early article.
http://www.drudgereport.com
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bunnicula
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posted on September 20, 2000 12:15:38 AM new
Maybe it's just me--but I didn't find anything about Bush's Oprah appearance there...?
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njrazd
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posted on September 20, 2000 09:13:13 AM new
bunnicula...sorry, but they had already changed the headline. It had to billing for awhile.
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KatyD
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posted on September 20, 2000 09:33:08 AM new
Well, I saw it. Oprah had a heckler thrown out. She said it was the first time in the show's history that she'd ever had a heckler disrupt it. It was a somewhat awkward moment, but she covered well (ie, went to commercial break)
The cameras kept panning to the attractive women with adoring expressions in the audience. Wonder if they trucked them in from Texas? As an ex-Texan, they all looked like Texas women to me. 
My take on the show was that Oprah doesn't particularly care for Dubya. It showed in her body language. But she LOVES his mom.
KatyD
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mybiddness
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posted on September 20, 2000 09:40:10 AM new
I also watched and while I don't have a particular problem with Bush (still undecided) I think that she missed the opportunity to have serious dialogue about serious issues.
It was entertaining more so than informative - not what I expected.
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chococake
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posted on September 20, 2000 11:25:26 AM new
KatyD
I also got the feeling she doesn't like him much. It could be because she is such an avid reader and he is...you know.
He does have a quick wit but that may be because he's such a dim wit.
I get so tired about hearing whats in his heart, that he got a calling to run for office, and his Texas education program. I hear very strong pro's and con's about what is going on in the schools.
Would some of you Texan's tell me if you think Bush's school progam is working or not. My mom lives in El Paso and she said the Mexican kids are getting a great US education. She has seen the school buses at the border picking them up in the morning, then taking them back to the border in the afternoon to go home to Mexico.
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texas1958
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posted on September 20, 2000 11:56:58 AM new
Texas Here and I think Bush needs an education on his education program! Seems the only one making any hoopla about Bush here in Texas is Bush!
Not Voting For The Bush
Tex
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tegan
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posted on September 20, 2000 12:24:45 PM new
Chococake asked:
"Would some of you Texan's tell me if you think Bush's school progam is working or not."
I have a few friends that are teachers and have had some experience with an after school program at a church I worked at.
Most of the teachers complain that they are so busy and pressured to get these kids to pass the TASP test that any real attempt to teach them to think and reason using the knowledge they have is impossible. Yes the test scores have gone up but most of the teachers I know think the children are going to suffer in the long run.
I've seen the kids that came to our church after school program and I can't believe what they don't know or can't figure out. We had a women who worked there that was a retired teacher of 40 years and she was so frustrated with the lack of teaching that was going on.
I certainly don't blame the teachers.
I only saw part of the Bush interview and I was not impressed. What little I did hear
was was the same stuff I have heard him spout from the podium. Rehearsed and rehashed.
An older friend of mine (she is in her 80"s) called me up after the interview and said "can you believe his poor posture, leaning forward in the chair like a used car salesman..how rude" I thought that was cute.
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chococake
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posted on September 20, 2000 02:06:00 PM new
Tegan
Thank you. I couldn't remember the name TASP for the way they are being taught. I had read the teachers were feeling pressured into this method, and that they are being denied the ability to use their teaching skills.
I got the idea they think the kids are just learning how to take the tests but not really retaining much information. To me it seems more like a drill than aspects of any cognitive skills.
Is this the same progam he wants to use for all schools if he is elected?
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njrazd
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posted on September 20, 2000 03:52:41 PM new
We have the exact same education problems in California. Test results reign supreme and everything else is pushed off to the side. I'm anxiously awaiting November so I can see if my son will be taught about the evil white settlers again.
We also have the busses picking up and dropping off kids at the border. And that's with a Democratic Governor, so I don't know if all the blame can be placed at the top. I think most of the problem lies with the State Education Departments. The thick layers of bureaucratic (sp?) administration suck the life blood out of the schools (as well as a big percentage of money.) I'll be anxious to see if the voucher initiative gets passed and what the outcome will mean here.
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mybiddness
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posted on September 20, 2000 04:29:59 PM new
I've been very impressed with Bush as far as the strides in education in Texas.
One of the programs he implemented is the Campus Improvement Education Committee. It's supposed to be mandatory for every Texas school. Members are derived from the faculty and administration, parents and concerned citizens, and local school board members.
The type of work that is required includes reviewing and making improvement recommendations for everything from the curriculum to the methods in which it is being taught. We also reviewed all aspects of the TASP and made suggestions as to how to better streamline TASP with other required study. There were numerous sub-committee's such as a "Special Helpers" group that worked with children who were having difficulty at their grade level. Our recommendations were forwarded to a central government body (I don't know which one) and were culled for information to be shared with the rest of the state. It was a nice hands on opportunity to make a difference and to be heard.
The only flaw with this "mandatory" committee is that it requires volunteers - something many school districts are in short supply of.
In our area alone there are at least three schools that I'm aware whose committees are comprised solely of school staff - parents are too busy to participate. Still, I commend Bush for making the effort to open communications where education is concerned. I think it's the age old problem... You can lead a horse to water...
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chococake
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posted on September 20, 2000 09:14:56 PM new
njrazd
The TASP method of teaching is way different then our testing results in CA. TASP is a whole new way of teaching. Maybe our Texas folks can give us more information about it. Also can you tell me how the kids feel about it? Are they under as much pressure as the teachers? Do they appear more stressed in school than with traditional teaching?
With the shortage of teachers in CA, lack of funds, etc. why are we teaching kids from accross the border? Higher education institutions charge foreign students very high fee's and yet we bus elementary school children right from the border to the schools. Am I correct that we don't charge them anything and our tax dollars pay for their education?
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njrazd
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posted on September 20, 2000 10:11:52 PM new
choco...from what I understand, if they are attending the public schools, there is no fee. I think the schools invite them in because they are given money from the state based on their attendance figures, so the more the merrier.
I'd be interested in learning more about the TASP program. Our Sat9 tests have been given way too much priority in the scheme of things. And I think it puts way too much pressure on the kids.
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