mingotree
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posted on November 4, 2007 04:48:25 PM new
....STUPID!
Have ya heard about the new baggy pants laws???
Good Lord! This country hasn't got anything better to do than start cracking down on slobs ???!!!!
This "Land of the Free" has a dress code???
If they tell us what we can't wear ....
when will they start telling us what we MUST wear ?????
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Helenjw
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posted on November 4, 2007 06:31:56 PM new
"Good Lord! This country hasn't got anything better to do than start cracking down on slobs ???!!!!"
Clothes can't accurately define a person as a slob. I've encountered too many people who might at first glance appear to be a "slob" only to discover that they were well educated or that they had other significant redeeming characteristics. And on the other hand I've met some well dressed people who in all their appropriate attire can be described as nothing but a slob.
Recently I was in line at the bank behind a fellow with pants that required his attention several times to keep them from falling off.  He knew the bank tellers who had a friendly chat with him while they counted his large cash deposit and during that conversation, I learned that he owns a successful business in the area.
Such fashionable fads and especially teen fashion makes no practical sense usually. But it certainly doesn't warrant criminal charges.
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profe51
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posted on November 4, 2007 07:27:05 PM new
I agree. It should not be illegal to look like a moron. On the other hand, I keep a handful of hay bale strings in my desk at school for making belts for the occasional boys who want to show the world their boxers. Not acceptable at school. Never will be as long as I'm in charge.
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davebraun
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posted on November 4, 2007 11:23:58 PM new
I live in Berkeley which was the home of the naked guy.
However dress codes for minors in school and for the adult public are two different things. If one wants to go through life looking like Krusty the Clown who am I to say?
Afterthought: do Zoot Suits count?
[ edited by davebraun on Nov 4, 2007 11:24 PM ]
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mingotree
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posted on November 5, 2007 03:57:58 AM new
Helen, I was just talking about how people dress.
I know that some sloppy LOOKING people can be quite intelligent and financially successful but generally (and in the general population)I found that people act like they look.
Yes, the Cheney/bushit group always look neat and are some of the most vile, evil people on earth so I know looks can be deceiving.
Anyway, to start making laws controlling dress is just another little nibble at our rights and freedoms which have already had large chunks taken away by the current administration.
Mandatory brown shirts next ??????
Elected public officials SHOULD have IMPORTANT things to deal with.
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Helenjw
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posted on November 5, 2007 06:06:04 AM new
I understand, Mingo. I just made an effort to point out that the word "slob" implies personal characteristics which can't be accurately based on what we may consider disheveled or sloppy appearance.
When I was in school, kids who deliberately violated the school dress code were sent home to change their clothes. Today there is generally nobody at home so Profe has a good temporary solution.
Tie those suckers up with hay bale strings!
[ edited by Helenjw on Nov 5, 2007 06:08 AM ]
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niel35
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posted on November 5, 2007 08:44:04 AM new
Did you say "cracking". Sounds like a pun
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logansdad
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posted on November 5, 2007 02:05:47 PM new
If they start cracking down on pants, what's next hair styles, the goth look, nose rings etc?
I don't like the baggy pants look but to each their own. It falls under freedom of expression. If they want to look like a slob then so be it.
"In my experience, those who do not like you fall into two categories: the stupid, and the envious. - John Wilmot, the Second Earl of Rochester
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profe51
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posted on November 5, 2007 08:47:33 PM new
... freedom of expression...
Fine for self sufficient adults who have earned the right. Not fine for kids who need direction in what is acceptable and what isn't.
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mingotree
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posted on November 6, 2007 05:04:00 AM new
I agree , profe, schools should have dress codes even if it's only having your clothes all the way on.
I think it helps them to learn respect for others...learn to think beyond themselves...to realize they AREN'T the center of the universe.
They have a whole lifetime ahead of them to dress like idiots if they choose to.
Haven't any of you old fogies ever looked back at your pictures during high school and laughed ????
Just think what a laugh these punks will have.....if they ever grow up.
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Helenjw
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posted on November 6, 2007 05:50:34 AM new
Can anyone explain the media emphasis on the flagrant exposure of tits and ass in our society? Could it be that children are trying to emulate that lack of fashion elegance?
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logansdad
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posted on November 6, 2007 07:22:33 AM new
Not fine for kids who need direction in what is acceptable and what isn't.
That is the whole issue. Who decides what is acceptable and what is not. If a parent has a teenage son/daughter and if the parent has a mohawk and the kid wants to get one because dad has one, who is the one that is in need of direction?
There are parents that allow/give their infants ear rings. Are you going to blame the child in this case?
Let the kids dress how they want, if they want to wear baggy pants, mohawks or dress in goth attire let them. Just because you do not find it acceptable, doesn't mean they are not comfortable with what they are wearing.
Back in the 60's wasn't there the same sort of debate over how low the mini-skirt should be allowed to go. Each generation tries to push the enevelope over what is acceptable.
"In my experience, those who do not like you fall into two categories: the stupid, and the envious. - John Wilmot, the Second Earl of Rochester
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profe51
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posted on November 6, 2007 07:39:45 PM new
Who decides what is acceptable and what is not
When it comes to minors in a school setting, my school board and I do, with plenty of input from the parents and other adults in the local community. The students do not. They have neither the experience nor the wisdom.
Each generation tries to push the enevelope over what is acceptable.
Of course it does, and it is the job of responsible adults to draw lines of acceptability for kids who don't know any better. How else will they learn?
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profe51
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posted on November 6, 2007 07:47:20 PM new
Just think what a laugh these punks will have.....if they ever grow up
We can look back and laugh at our platform shoes or bell bottom pants with impunity. No permanent harm....But when I see some goofball in a store with barbed wire tatooed around his neck, it's fun to imaging what it's going to look like when he's all fat wrinkled and jowly and that agressive looking barbed wire has sagged into a broken down fenceline, or when his babe's sexy tatoo on the small of her back has stretched a yard wide and is drooping to the back of her knees.
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pixiamom
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posted on November 6, 2007 08:00:29 PM new
I remember the indignity of the "ruler test" in high school to see if skirts were more than 4 inches above the knee.It seems so trivial now...Edited to add: I've lost some weight and accidentally put on a pair of my older jeans today. They were acceptable this A.M., but after a day of wearing, they have slipped down about 6 inches. I hope the baggy pants police aren't watching!
[ edited by pixiamom on Nov 6, 2007 08:07 PM ]
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logansdad
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posted on November 7, 2007 12:22:12 PM new
When it comes to minors in a school setting, my school board and I do, with plenty of input from the parents and other adults in the local community. The students do not. They have neither the experience nor the wisdom.
I have no problem with schools setting dress codes, but the proposed Dallas law applies to kids out on the street not a school.
and it is the job of responsible adults to draw lines of acceptability for kids who don't know any better.
And you think most adults know what is best? Politicians are not the ones who should be deciding what is appropriate clothing.
Furthermore, some of those "responsible adults" that should know better are having kids of their own when they should not be. Do you think a 20 year old adult should be having kids when they are also part of the group that is wearing baggy pants?
"In my experience, those who do not like you fall into two categories: the stupid, and the envious. - John Wilmot, the Second Earl of Rochester
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profe51
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posted on November 7, 2007 02:29:01 PM new
Do you think a 20 year old adult should be having kids when they are also part of the group that is wearing baggy pants?
Of course I don't. It's always amazed me that you need a license to catch a fish, but don't need one to breed.
You'll notice in my original post I said it shouldn't be against the law to look like a moron. I'm speaking only of the school setting otherwise.
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logansdad
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posted on November 8, 2007 10:06:02 AM new
At least we agree on a few things then, profe.
If kids want to look like slobs and dress "weird" let them. They will find out the hard way when they are turned down for a job because of they way they are dressed.
"In my experience, those who do not like you fall into two categories: the stupid, and the envious. - John Wilmot, the Second Earl of Rochester
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