krs
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posted on April 2, 2001 06:00:12 AM new
Where's Eventer?
Woolflex (maker name) Saddle? Fine leather, extremely well made.
Someone tell me about it.
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dejavu
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posted on April 2, 2001 08:39:29 AM new
Having been a horswoman for 35 years doing eventing I have never heard of a woolflex saddle. However that doesn't mean they don't exist. If you lift up the left hand side flap of the saddle up near the top should be a metal plate with the maker's brand stamped into it. Stueben, Hermes are two high quality names.
Important consideraions are size, condition of leather, approx. age and whether ot not it needs restuffing and color (some people match or contrast the horse's color.)
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krs
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posted on April 2, 2001 08:55:19 AM new
Thanks. If it's measured across the seat front to back, it's 16 1/2". There is a small embossed oval with "Made in England", and a serial number in another area. The maker doesn't hit in the net at all, at least as far as I went before I got blurry.
[ edited by krs on Apr 2, 2001 09:25 AM ]
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jamesoblivion
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posted on April 2, 2001 09:41:09 AM new
Eventer's been spotted.
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NearTheSea
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posted on April 2, 2001 10:00:41 AM new
krs-we had a farm with horses, before the(censored) left. 
Maybe someone answered this, but....
The Dressage cut should
have straighter flaps, for the correct Dressage seat in riding. That is not
the way you measure a saddle. Instead, measure from the
middle of the nail head at the front of the saddle (just below the pommel)
*diagonally* to the middle of the back of the cantle, the top part of the
back of the seat.
Not sure that helped, or if you wanted me
to answer but I don't know that maker.
[email protected]
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KatyD
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posted on April 2, 2001 10:51:53 AM new
Here are a couple of British and US patent date look-up urls
http://www.teleport.com/~auntyq/britpats.html
http://www.teleport.com/~auntyq/uspats.html
Looks like patent was issued late 19th century.
KatyD
[ edited by KatyD on Apr 2, 2001 10:53 AM ]
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krs
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posted on April 2, 2001 10:57:16 AM new
OK,you're probably right. I thought that dressage is a somewhat generic for all forms of saddlery and that this saddle may be either a jumping or a multipurpose one.
And by nail you mean the rivet that is at the front and visible on the left side in the photograph?
About all I know of all of this is from championship barrelracer that I used to bring home with me sometimes, and that was a diferent saddle altogether.
Ah. Now it's 17 1/2".
[ edited by krs on Apr 2, 2001 10:58 AM ]
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krs
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posted on April 2, 2001 11:03:40 AM new
Thanks Katy,
No wonder it doesn't show as an active maker. It's very good supple leather, so either it's been extremely well cared for or it ain't that old.
But.....the british #s are all six digits.
[ edited by krs on Apr 2, 2001 11:07 AM ]
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KatyD
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posted on April 2, 2001 11:18:21 AM new
Yes, ken, that's why I gave the US patent url too. The fact it reads "PAT NO." leads to a US Patent registration. I don't believe that the British used "PATENT", I think theirs read "REG." and then the number. But I could be wrong.
It's been awhile since I was in the "equestrian" world. I rode Western, participated in a few gymkhanas, a little barrel racing, but that was in my *young* days when I was immortal and had no fear.  I did take lessons in both hunt seat and dressage (boring, boring! for a barrel racer but I just didn't recognize the make of that saddle. Well made saddles will last forever if they are properly cared for and stored. My bet is you have an *antique* one there, although not necessarily manufacture in the year of the patent granting. Try doing searches for *antique tack*. Maybe you can find something.
KatyD
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em3
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posted on April 2, 2001 11:37:52 AM new
Ken, this might help
Patent drawings for that saddle
the patent was filed on Sept 26, 1930, by J.B. Kopf
Earl
__________
Slow and easy
Calm and cool
Straight down the middle
All the way to the hilt
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equestrian
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posted on April 2, 2001 11:52:22 AM new
I skimmed through some of my tack catalogues but can't find this maker either.
As far as narrowing it down to a jumping or all purpose the angle of the photo makes it a bit hard to tell - though I'm thinking it looks more like a close contact (jumping). You can tell this by the 'deepness' of the saddles seat - saddles with a flatter seat and fairly flat knee rolls are close contact, a bit deeper seat with larger knee rolls is usually an all purpose and a deap seat with straight cut saddle flaps is a dressage.
Another thing is to make sure that you thoroughly inspect all the stitching (for any loose or rotting stitches) and billet (girth) straps for any excessive wear. Sorry I cant help you with the name.
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dejavu
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posted on April 2, 2001 11:55:05 AM new
I agree it is a jumping saddle not a dressage saddle, it has a deep seat and fairly prominent knee rolls.
Hope this helps.
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krs
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posted on April 2, 2001 12:23:51 PM new
Thanks all.
Earl? What? You been waiting for the riff-raff to clear the way to post in here?
LoL!
That Kopf name may lead to something, but I'll have to call the patent office and have them do something about their miserable site. Talk about slow!
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em3
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posted on April 2, 2001 12:53:44 PM new
Hey Ken !!
Nah, I pretty much avoid the OAI boards anymore but I was directed to a thread here this morning so I stopped by.
Then I saw your thread and imagined how pitiful you must look sitting there waiting for an answer so I though I'd help you out.
lmao
Plus I couldn't pass by a chance to post in a thread before it got locked. lol
Earl
Oh and that's a goverment site, what did you expect?? ha!!!
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krs
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posted on April 2, 2001 01:02:51 PM new
OK, thanks for the pity then.
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em3
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posted on April 2, 2001 01:12:41 PM new
No problem,
take care Ken and try to behave.
Hope to see you around, good luck with the saddle.
Earl
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eventer
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posted on April 2, 2001 09:15:07 PM new
DAMN, late to the party!
krs,
I'll check tomorrow w/some people & see if I can find out anything about this make.
Looks nicely maintained. Key will be if the billets are still good, the stitching intact & if any reflocking is needed. If you have any good equestrian tack shops in your community, they can answer those questions.
Could be a maker of custom saddlery which is probably less well known in the U.S.
Dressage, BTW, is basically a test of horse & rider making a series of precise movements at set points in a square arena. The Royal Lippizans are most the most well known for doing dressage movements, though not all their movements are parts of dressage tests.
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krs
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posted on April 2, 2001 09:25:02 PM new
Thanks eventer.
The stitching and all is excellent on this. It was part of a larger deal, and all I need to find, if possible, are details of info to sell it. I know that it's not one of the current favorite makers, but I also know that it's very well made. It has a green scotch plaid bag made of some rubberized duckcloth with leather fixtures and heavy canvas handles and a long strap (girth) in good condition. There are no stirrups.
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eventer
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posted on April 4, 2001 08:26:53 AM new
krs,
I'm not ignoring you. Was off line all day yesterday due to storms. Have some inquiries out about Kopf who we think is still in the tack business.
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eventer
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posted on April 6, 2001 02:13:10 PM new
krs,
I've asked everyone I know in the tack business & no-one has a clue.
I've also asked some of the OLDEST equestrian people & they don't remember this brand.
I'm trying to contact some European counterparts to see if they might be able to find anyone in England who recalls this brand.
It really doesn't have the look of the "older" saddles.
I'll keep trying. I'll be at one of the biggest equestrian events in the U.S. in a couple of weeks & there's quite an international group that attends & will try to pick their brains if I can't find out anything in the meanwhile.
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toke
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posted on April 6, 2001 02:14:49 PM new
eventer...
Don't you think it's a "store" brand? It has all the earmarks of one, IMO.
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eventer
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posted on April 6, 2001 02:32:14 PM new
toke
Good probability. Most of the "better" brands have their name on the plate (Stubben, Barnsby, Hermes).
The Kopf name is sooo familiar to many of us but we still can't track them down.
The other thing which makes me think it's newer is the band to hold the excess stirrup leather. MANY of the earlier saddles didn't have this band. Even my daughter's first Stubben from the late 70's/early 80's didn't have the band.
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toke
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posted on April 6, 2001 02:41:03 PM new
Yeah...
I have a Steuben Siegfried...made in Germany...no band.
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eventer
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posted on April 6, 2001 02:54:02 PM new
toke,
Us, too.
The new ones have them. We ended up having one added to her old one, then when she outgrew it, we got a newer one that already had it.
What did you ride?
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toke
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posted on April 6, 2001 02:56:13 PM new
Dressage...warmbloods...but I owned an arab-quarter cross.
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eventer
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posted on April 6, 2001 04:48:49 PM new
Dressage...my daughter's worst nightmare.
Especially now with TWO horses which have to be worked daily. She'd rather be JUMPING, preferably something out on the cross country course.
But, what other sport can you tell people to Piaffe & get away with it? [biggrin}
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toke
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posted on April 6, 2001 05:01:41 PM new
eventer...
Ah...the memories. I rode my instructors 17.5 warmblood. That horse didn't believe my effrontery...he treated me like a foal... I don't think he could even feel me on his back...LOL!
That guy wouldn't let anyone bridle him...except me. He looked down at me with kind surprise...and bent his head. Honest to god. I often thought it was because his owner gave him such hell. I just supplicated... Plus...at 5 foot...I was no challenge to him...
oops
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