krs
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posted on June 10, 2001 09:49:33 PM new
Is it misuse of official power that the bush brats were charged with C misdemeanors while most all others are charged the more serious B misdemeanor for the same offense?
http://www.austin360.com/statesman/editions/saturday/editorial_1.html
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jamesoblivion
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posted on June 10, 2001 09:51:16 PM new
I bet most brats aren't charged at all.
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hepburn
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posted on June 10, 2001 09:51:59 PM new
I thought for a moment there that Newt was a twin
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krs
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posted on June 10, 2001 09:53:39 PM new
They are, if they are, slammed harder by the quirk of law enacted by Guess Who.
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uaru
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posted on June 10, 2001 11:22:48 PM new
I bet most brats aren't charged at all.
I hold with that thinking also. I doubt many restaurant managers make a habit of calling the cops every time a minor tries to order a drink.
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gravid
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posted on June 11, 2001 04:03:42 AM new
Tequila Twins
Daquiri Duo
Bourbon Buddies
Cocktail Couple
will become the Perrier Pair we hope.
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zoomin
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posted on June 11, 2001 06:56:17 AM new
The Sober Sisters
The Coca-Cola Kids
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krs
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posted on June 11, 2001 07:05:26 AM new
I'll bet that a lot of republicans wish that Jenna would switch parties.
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deuce
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posted on June 11, 2001 07:32:55 AM new
I'll bet that a lot of republicans wish that Jenna would switch parties.
Very close, should read:
I'll bet that a lot of republicans wish that Jenna would quit partying.
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Deuce
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enCHanted
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posted on June 11, 2001 07:49:41 AM new
Hepburn 
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reamond
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posted on June 12, 2001 10:15:34 AM new
It is not that unusual for bars and resturants to call the police when minors attempt to use false IDs to purchase alcohol.
It happens all the time on college campuses. Some big college party spots actually have undercover police that check IDs.
The establishments also have a stake in turning the minors in. They can lose their liquor license due to these minors drinking in their bars and they don't want the fake IDs being used. Calling the police is how they get the minors and the IDs out of circulation.
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mark090
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posted on June 12, 2001 10:54:18 AM new
Where I live, 2 offenses and the place is shut down. Even after the minor has left, if the minor claims they got a drink (or were there and you didn't confiscate their fake ID's) in your establishment, shut down...Yea, they call the police, it covers their butt
[ edited by mark090 on Jun 12, 2001 10:55 AM ]
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figmente
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posted on June 14, 2001 05:08:10 PM new
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64171-2001Jun13.html
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lotsafuzz
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posted on June 14, 2001 05:31:08 PM new
reamond and mark090 are correct.
When I was a server (one very *long* summer) I carded everyone because *I* wasn't going to risk the $10,000 fine. I also reported possible fake ID's and the owner would call the cops because she didn't what to risk her business just because some kid was trying to be clever.
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Microbes
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posted on June 14, 2001 07:51:10 PM new
krs:
>bush brats
George W and Jeb?
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
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inside
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posted on June 15, 2001 05:15:41 AM new
Why doesn't everyone leave the teenage girls alone?
Oh, nevermind, I know... some people would not have a life if they did not sit around a monitor and pass judgement on others.
Just kinda sick when they target their perverted sense of moral indignity to persecute two young girls, just because the witchhunters don't like the girl's daddy.
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krs
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posted on June 15, 2001 06:41:03 AM new
"some people would not have a life if they did not sit around a monitor and pass judgement on others"
For once, by your judgemental post, you have identified a "some people".
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Borillar
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posted on June 15, 2001 09:45:59 AM new
"It is a legitimate question to ask if the lighter treatment was a misuse of official power." -Quote from the article-
For those of you who are saying what a big nothing that this is, consider if Clinton was still President and he did this thing for his daughter, Chelsea! Oh yes, there'd be cries throughout the halls of Congress and Republican politicians complaining to the media and talk shows and political analysts, DEMANDING a Special Prosecutor for this case and that Janet Reno was "BLOCKING" the investigation, even though she stated that the reasons had no merit. Oh yes, let no one point to this dastardly double-standard -- the hallmark of the Bush Administration, and say that they'd feel the same way if it was Clinton and Chelsea instead of Bush and his daughters!
Wait until the end of Bush's term as President -- you'll see that he'll give each of them a PARDON for all of their activities. And if the next President is a Republican, then you can be sure that his first act in office will be to PARDON Bush for anything he's accused of!
Wait and see!
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jamesoblivion
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posted on June 15, 2001 09:53:26 AM new
Borillar, we don't deal with what-ifs and what-would-bes.
Clinton pardoned his brother Roger so if Bush pardons his little girls it wouldn't be without precedent. Personally, I think the pardon power was given in part for just such a situation. An extra little perk of the job.
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deuce
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posted on June 15, 2001 12:07:30 PM new
...they'd feel the same way if it was Clinton and Chelsea instead of Bush and his daughters!
Interestingly enough, a few days back, Dick Morris was on with Paula Zahn. They were speaking of the treatment of the Bush girls by the media. He was saying that during the Clinton administration that children were off limits, and in fact, some Gore girls did something that paled in comparison to the Bush girls' problems, but the media kept to their word; they were off limits. Paula Z. tried to get him to say what the offenses were, but he wouldn't say.
Of course we're listening to heresay, but I found it interesting that it came from a former Clinton political strategist.
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Deuce
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mcbrunnhilde
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posted on June 15, 2001 12:53:58 PM new
I don't know about the Gore girls, but Chelsea was "off limits" because she was under 18. I think it was perfectly appropriate for the Clintons to request that, just as I think it was appropriate for the royal family to ask for a media blackout on William until he came of age.
What I detest about the Republican Party is the hypocrisy they exhibit with their "holier-than-thou" attitude. There are moral and upstanding individuals in ALL political parties, just as there are "bad apples," but Republicans shove it down everyone's throat that THEY'RE the party of morality and family values. They then proceed (as a party) to hand out corporate welfare, shut down or underfund programs for the less fortunate, and generally pander to the rich. Clinton's personal morals were pretty awful, but I think he had a TON more compassion for the average American than ANYONE in the Republican party.
I also have never been able to figure out why they are so adamantly against abortion (killing) and yet want to have no sensible controls over guns, which contribute to MANY deaths and injuries each year.
JMHO
Without eBay, I might have a real life... 
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Borillar
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posted on June 15, 2001 06:59:01 PM new
Thank you mcbrunnhilde for pointing out that very thing. While Chealsea and the Gore kids were underaged, the Republicans had a field day slamming Mrs. Clinton to the media long before she ever announced her intention to run for political office in New York.
If they're over 18, they're fair game!
But I was not comparing "moral" behaviour of one administration's kids to this one's. I was referring to the thread, which article stated that Bush's ADULT children got a better deal than they would have if it was you or me! And my point was that if it had been Clinton and it was Chealsea over 18 years of age, you can be CERTAIN that Fox News, ABC, MSNBC, and other Conservative Media would be giving Republican politicians and analysts full-acces to crying out for Clinton's BLOOD! Christ, the poor man couldn't blink an eye without the Republicans there smearing his name and accusing him of murdering people! So when I say that if it Was Clinton and Chealsea, we'd be hearing about it non-stop for years about the "fix" and how CRIMINAL and ABUSE OF POWER Clinton had done and AW RT users throwing it into our facers while they rant about How MORAL the Republican Party is compared to anyone else!
No, now that it's Bush's daughters, now the calls go out to hush it up in the media and some AW RT posters will push the notion that I'm being too extreme for making this parallelization!
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deuce
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posted on June 15, 2001 07:34:26 PM new
keeping with the topic then...
All I see is an allegation that there was influence that caused the less serious charge to be filed. Let's see some proof. Perhaps the DA or local prosecutor was a Republican who backed Bush. Perhaps that influenced his judgement on the charges. Even in this scenario, I see no wrong-doing from Penn Ave.
And I could very well be wrong, but I was almost postitive that both Chelsea & the Gore's kids reached majority by the time they left office.
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Deuce
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Microbes
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posted on June 15, 2001 07:55:24 PM new
Let's see some proof.
Doesn't need to be to have Senate hearings. What goes around, comes around.
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mcbrunnhilde
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posted on June 15, 2001 09:59:33 PM new
Borillar,
I realize that my "rant" wasn't really on topic, but my mom and I are so irritiated with Republicans that I can't help getting on my soapbox once in a while!
ON topic, I think that ANY relative of a famous or influential person is likely to get off more easily than real people--it'll just get publicized more! Just look how many chances Robert Downey Jr. has had...
Without eBay, I might have a real life...
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inside
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posted on June 16, 2001 05:40:51 AM new
"IF"
The answer for all those who would persecute another and justify their thoughts and actions with maybes from unknown offenders.
I don't blame the press. They are in business of selling gossip to people who need it to enhance their lives. How utterly boring these people's lives would be without someone or some group to hate.
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Hjw
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posted on June 16, 2001 07:17:43 AM new
Must indicate what journalists refer to as
"silly season."
Helen
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Tectah
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posted on June 16, 2001 08:16:13 AM new
I feel bad for the two.It must be hard growing up under a microscope.I cant name many kids that dont get into a little booze at that age....Heck this time the "first daughter(s)" actually have a life beyond posing for political pics.....More power to 'em.....
Tectah
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hepburn
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posted on June 16, 2001 09:51:27 AM new
IF a frog had wings, it wouldnt bump its a$$ as it hopped.
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