posted on June 12, 2001 10:11:30 PM new"With the advent of the fundamentalist takeover of the Southern Baptist Convention, the emphasis has crept in the direction of wanting to use the levers of state power to further a moral agenda"
Several months ago here in the RT, I made mention that the Fundies had taken over control of the Southern Baptist and what they were up to. All I got on here was a denial by some Southern Baptists in the RT and was asked to provide a useful link. Here you go!
posted on June 13, 2001 07:51:08 AM new
Well, you do,jlpiece, since "The conservative shift has included the SBC's declaration that wives should "submit graciously" to their husbands". and we should, jlpiece, if this change in your life reduces the amount of transferal henpecking that you do here.
posted on June 13, 2001 08:01:55 AM new
I'm sorry, are you addressing the poster and not the topic? That is against the CG's you know. In fact with all of your nudges and warnings, I'd be careful. You would truly be missed.
posted on June 13, 2001 08:34:09 AM new
"The conservative shift has included the SBC's declaration that wives should "submit graciously" to their husbands".
With that thought in mind, I would say that it's time for all good Christian girls to leave the Baptist church.
Please remember, this forum is not designed to discuss individuals. I believe the topic is something about Southern Baptists...if everyone will please move back to the subject at hand, I will look forward to reading the thread as it progresses.
posted on June 13, 2001 12:28:39 PM new
OK, now that you've had a chance to read this thread, let me continue with what I was saying about four or five months ago.
Two years ago, when the Fundamentalists now controlling the SBC made two rules that shocked the nation, a) that women could no longer become pastors; and b) that women had to "submit" to thetr husbands, that was only an insidious dodge. The real change came at the core beliefs of the Southern Baptists and was generally not known.
First, up until this change in policy, a certain important rule was in place: if the Teachings of Jesus said to do it one way, and then you found elsewhere in the Bible where it said to do that thing another way -- which were you to go with? The dogma had always been: Go with Jesus and you won't go wrong!
Now, that rule got reversed. So if there is a conflict between what Jesus taught and what it says eleswhere in the Bible, the formal rules now state that Jesus does not take prescidence -- you must go with ANYTHING ELSE in the Bible before Jesus!
Now, how can you call yourself a Christian if you don't follow Christ? Is this not a Satanic stance? Wouldn't only Satan benefit from this?
Of lesser importance of what got changed was that the Bible has been pronounced "Complete". In Fundy-speak, that means that the Bible has no errors, no contradictions whatsoever; because if it looks like it has one, it's YOUR poor understanding of the Perfect Bible sanctified by God. In other words, never question what it says, no matter how wrong it may appear to be.
The reason for a "complete" Bible is that it makes it easier to swallow whole, even if it doesn't sit right in your stomach. Therefore, it is easier to brainwash someone rather than to educate them. Yumm!
"Next, they will be burning books." "It's a trend, practiced only by the Southern Baptists."
Although you were being humorous, Helen, sadly, it is true that Organized Religions, not just Christian ones I'm sorry to say, have their share of book burnings. And it's not just religion -- fascist Nazi Germany burned a lot of "un-German" books too!
posted on June 13, 2001 01:44:21 PM new
As you know, Borillar, another thread would be needed to discuss banned books which incidentally includes some of the world's greatest literature. Since this thread is about the influence of the fundamentalists in the Southern Baptist organization, I would just like to point out that myremark was not really a joke. This group of fundamentalists is making an effort to remove books from public and school libraries right now.
Their attempt at censorship is focused on their perception of immorality including profane language, sex, textbooks that teach evolution or any other kind of religion, anything relating to abortion or euthanasia or suicide...the list is endless. Not only literature is being censored but music and dancing.
I'm afraid that we are returning to an era of book burning and I am serious about this. John Steinbeck's The Grapes of Wrath was burned in 1939 in California soon after it was first published, essentially concurrent with the book burnings instigated by the Nazis in Germany.
Please excuse me if I have strayed off topic but I just want everyone here to know that my remarks about book censorship were serious.
Someone mentioned before in a joking way, that they were shredding books in Mississippi for compost. Well, my answer to their response is that
no "fertilizer" is needed in Mississippi...Just "fertilizer" detectors.
posted on June 13, 2001 01:45:55 PM new
Isn't it the case that there are 'directives' in the old testament that women will not be pastors, or even elders of churches? That they cannot witness to men except in the presence of a male elder and then only with their heads covered? Didn't we have a person here at one time who described her practice of book burning and gave biblical justification of it? Aren't those all elements proscribed by fundamentalist sects? But isn't there scripture in which Jesus says, in effect, to ignore the old teachings, or book, specifically the old testament, and follow his word from thenceforth? Wouldn't it then follow that a Christian could not adopt (impose) the elements dictated in the old testament by fundamentalist orders?
Just curious.
This topic is 6 pages long: 1new2new3new4new5new6new
