posted on September 6, 2001 08:37:36 PM new
arttsupplies, I dont know what you said in your second post, but apology accepted. I give mine too, if I offended you. What you typed is something to "ponder". Makes sense. Some of it I want to debate over, but not right now. BB2 is coming on and I MUST see who gets da boot
posted on September 6, 2001 09:06:23 PM newI truly believe that people who post need to think a little harder
I disagree. This forum is fueled by intelligent and quirky people expressing their opinions about a range of subjects. Many post off-the-cuff, without stopping to worry what others may think. Sometimes we step over the lines of good taste and political correctness. Sometimes we unwittingly trample somebody else's notions of what should be said in public and what shouldn't. When that happens, we usually hear about it because somebody will pipe up and say, "Hey, you shouldn't go around saying that." And it's their right to do so.
That's when the real dialogue begins because then we get into why one person believes he has a right to that opinion and why somebody else believes he doesn't. Other folks chime in and suddenly you have advocates for either side. Through the back-and-forth process we find ourselves considering opposing viewpoints, and trying to decide how much weight they deserve, or how credibly they are argued. Sometimes in the end, minds are changed. Sometimes not. Sometimes it devolves into name-calling, or insults (both direct and indirect). Occasionally the discussion gets stopped cold by a moderator (and this, IMHO, is the most disagreeable thing of all). But all of this is what keeps the forum mildly interesting.
If people start weighing their words, if they start self-editing even before they post on the off-chance that somebody will be offended, then this forum will be dead. It'll be boring (well, okay, it's already boring but it'll be much, much worse).
posted on September 6, 2001 10:37:17 PM new
Ok...BB2 is over and I had a chance to re read what you posted arttsupplies. This is what stood out to me the most:
I myself will try to keep a little calmer if I post again. It is hard to do. The one person posting here that I had complete respect for recently got axed for some reason. Most of this person's posts made perfect sense to me. Then they would fly off the handle into a tirade which would be almost comical...but still, I took it as using a hammer instead of a feather... and agreed with the sentiments if not the strength or the way it was presented
What I see in that post is your perspective of what YOU liked about a certain poster. You are telling us that we need to be careful of what we say before saying it, in case lurkers feel offended. How can we offend someone we dont know is there and reading? And if they are not joining in, how can we know the poster and what MAY offend them? Also, the poster you enjoyed reading and thought was comical, some of those same posters who are not lurkers, did NOT find comical nor made perfect sense to some. So what you perceive in your own opinion is not felt the same way with others. In essence, what you are asking others to do, you are not practicing yourself. Did that make sense? I sure hope so..it did to me, but Im not on your end, lol.
posted on September 6, 2001 11:24:18 PM newSara: It seems that the thread has evolved (as conversations do) and that now *this* is the topic.
Artsupplies: I disagree with you. Try turning it around. Rather than suggesting that others censor what they have to say for fear of possibly offending someone somewhere, try considering the idea of not flying off the handle when you hear or read something you dislike or disagree with. I'm not saying you don't have a right to your opinions, but you will be listened to more--and have more chance of starting a conversation if they're offered in a more reasonable manner. A simple question would have ascertained the thoughts behind the statement that you disliked so much & averted problems.
posted on September 7, 2001 07:28:30 AM newArtusupplies (or whatever your new ID will be):I'm not talking about what is ambiguous. I'm talking about posts, that people I referred to as the "un-initiated", can obviously be taken out of context as homophobic, racist, etc. There should be some civility on these boards.
However, the post you refer to wasn't homophobic at all. To begin with homosexuals *are* one of the new "tokens" on TV, just as blacks once were, and women who work outside the home once were. And if the homosexual in question was indeed "swishing across the desert" then what's the problem with saying so? There are three gay men & one gay woman in the library I work for. One of the men goes out of his way to be outrageous in speech & mannerisms. That's his choice. And it is certainly not derogatory towards him to note the fact. If a person swishes, they swish.
So rather than suggest others censor themselves I should just censor myself?
posted on September 7, 2001 08:16:03 AM new
Well, alrighty then. Im surprised, to say the least. And to be perfectly honest, I see lots of holes I could punch in that argument of yours arttsupplies, but, since I have the strong opinion(bolding is mine) that whatever I say in response will be construed as being a personal attack (bolding is mine), why bother? Of course, my self importance (bolding is mine) could be blinding me, but I dont think so. As far as rat's poopy holes, I admitted it was not a very polite, to which I apologized, just as you apologized for the EFF Y (bolding is mine) because I am deemed self important (bolding is mine)as well as homophobic, which to you is not considered a personal attack (bolding is mine) to you, but sure the heck looks like it to me.
With that, I leave you to think what you want which it seems you will do anyway, regardless. Dont worry, no LOL's (bolding is mine) because in the mornings, I am not in the mood for them myself.
posted on September 7, 2001 10:36:26 AM new
Once again I tune in to discover that arttsupplies ... oops, the artist formerly known as arttsupplies ... has poopied on my post, then edited away his/her words so that while some people were able to read them, one of the people he/she dumped on (namely me) cannot.
This is becoming a pattern, arttsupplies. Why are you so quick to erase your words? Do you post and a few minutes later regret what you've said? But how can that be? Don't you think before you post?
posted on September 7, 2001 12:41:26 PM new
Moderator, lock this one up too. Its kind of ruined now. Another thread can be started later on, if an interest is shown in the new reality show.
