posted on September 12, 2001 05:38:36 PM new
[i]You no longer have to arrest the man (or his accomplices) and extradite them for trial. Now all you have to do is locate any of their members, their support structures, financial resources and render them ineffective by whatever means necessary.
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The cops don't have to do that now. Someone uses deadly force to keep from being captured, the cops blow them away. It's done all the time.
We need a police action, because these countrys can't/won't police themselves. It won't be over soon, not if it's effective. It may last 10 years.
posted on September 12, 2001 05:42:39 PM newYou will here from the victims families soon enough
It would surprise me if these people --whose lives have been raped by these senseless, brutal killings -- would demand we retaliate with more of the same.
posted on September 12, 2001 05:46:40 PM new
hjw- I do not want retaliation. I want the terrorist problem resolved. If you think any target in the US will be as safe as it was on 9-10-01 by just getting those who we may find even plauable evidence on, you're wrong. Just capturing some of the perpitrators will be the new cause to attack us.
I do not want retaliation or justice, I want security from terrorists.
We now need to know and must know that an act such as this can not happen again.
We can not take the chance that the next Islamic fundementalist terrorist will bring nuclear or bio weapons into the US. It will not be a hijacked plane next time, it will be worse.
If we don't take the Islamic fundementalist infrastructure out, we must keep our borders and transportation systems locked down, and become a police state to have even a modicum of security.
posted on September 12, 2001 05:49:04 PM new
The war that is coming must be TOTAL. We need not touch the ground for the first few months. Start with Afganistan and bomb, bomb and more bombs. Hit everything and anything, nothing is sacred. All collateral damage is acceptable. If the Palestinians complain, bomb them too. Make so horrible that they will never ever even think of doing this to anybody again. Make it so they will never raise their eyes proudly for a long, long time. Beat them into the ground. Kill the old, the infirmed, the woman and children, destroy food supplies.
Yes, these are horrible thoughts but war has become so clean, so "surgical", nobody is scared of it anymore. These factions freely try our patience and the countries they work out of harbor them openly because they know we will only try to destroy that one training camp, that single group and then quit. War HAS to become so devastating, so horrific, so utterly disasterous to a country, that is becomes something nobody wants at any cost. Something that people work to AVOID than incite.
posted on September 12, 2001 05:51:46 PM new
Sorry I had to go to work and miss all of this discussion, but now I'm caught up and will repeat my earlier opinion.
This has nothing to do with the religion of the countries, other than the fact that their religion encourages 'martyrdom' for the sake of their cause. If it was a Christian or Buddhist country threatening us, I would feel the same way. So don't use the prejudice line on me.
If embargo or political maneuvers worked with these countries, I would support that-we already know from experience that it doesn't work.
I have two sons of age to be in the service-one is going into the Air Force officer's training after college graduation in January. The other has told me that when/if we officially declare war, he is going. So don't use that line on me either-my sons WILL be there.
My comment was not just off the top of my head, it was not anger or fear. I have given it a lot of thought over several years of observation. The simple fact is that in dealing with these terrorists and their supporting nations, we have come to the point where, as Reamond said earlier-it's us or them. And I think I've made it clear what side I'm voting for.
posted on September 12, 2001 05:53:19 PM new
All of europe thought that they had accomplished that in 1918. Lo and behold, twenty years later Hitler invaded Poland.
posted on September 12, 2001 05:56:49 PM new
I know that killing entire countries is not the answer. We don't want to be seen as barbarians. Even if you level several countries, there will still be terrorists living right here...among us.
Diplomacy and the power of the entire international community should be used in dealing with terrorists. Make every country understand that they are vulnerable.
First, an understanding of the problem should be attempted. Why are these people attacking the World Trade Center Buildings, the symbol of power and money in America?
posted on September 12, 2001 05:58:38 PM new
I say we put bearmom and REAMOND on the front lines. Easy to be patriotic and to rally 'round the flag when it's other people who have to do the fighting.
posted on September 12, 2001 05:59:09 PM newSpaz: In answer to your question, yes. I waited all day yesterday to learn of the fate of friends working in the Pentagon. I spent the day with my gut tied in a knot, not knowing if they were dead or alive. They're okay, but their colleagues and friends are missing and presumed dead.
And I feel guilty that I'm glad my friends survived, that I'm lucky they continue to live and be my friends...
Let me ask you a question: Have you ever come face to face with the fear of people who want you dead because you're an American? Have you ever experienced that sudden flash of knowledge that you might die and there was nothing you could do about it? I have. Beyond that, I know what it's like to live with a target on my back because of where I was born. And yes, I would dearly love to see those responsible for what happened be blown off the face of this earth.
Don't ever presume to tell people how they should feel about any situation, especially if you've never walked in their sneakers.
posted on September 12, 2001 05:59:50 PM new
mark090 - you're quite right. We have done it before. During our Civil War we did this to the Confederate States. We cut a swath of destruction through Georgia and the Shenandoaha valley. People were killed and starved on purpose to bring resolution to the conflict and security to the US.
The only difference as to what I advocate is the total destruction to the point there is no one left in these enemy countries to be scared or even attempt another terrorist attack.
I am not willing to wait for a bio or nuclear attack on our country. And heaven forbid if there is anyone out there that thinks not only that this can not happen, but it will not happen.
The President and Congress have a sacred duty and oath not to allow this to happen again.
But I am open for alternatives. But there are none when dealing with terrorists and their covert infrastructures.
posted on September 12, 2001 06:02:28 PM newKRS: WWII was virtually guaranteed with the policies(the Treaty of Versailles) set in place after WWI. The European countries who signed that treaty are as much to blame for WWII as Hitler.
posted on September 12, 2001 06:04:34 PM new
Shadowcat,
I have no problem with eradicating those responsible. None. But I can't sit here and say nothing as others advocate murdering the innocent along with the guilty.
posted on September 12, 2001 06:10:02 PM newSpaz: I understand that(and my tail is officially unfluffed now). I'm not advocating blanket eradication, but I want those SOBs to pay, and pay dearly.
I say that even with the knowledge that my elder kitten is in training to be a Ranger. He would be on the front line, prepared to give his life for his country. As a mother, I'm scared to death that he will have to. As an American, it may be necessary.
posted on September 12, 2001 06:10:20 PM new
Well spaz, according to you every bomber pilot in the US Air Force that served over Europe in WWII is a murderer.
). I'm not advocating blanket eradication, but I want those SOBs to pay, and pay dearly.