nycrocker
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:09:56 PM new
Spaz  zacly.
Brein - I don't follow any rituals or rules unless I question them first. Why do they exist. Do I think they are with good reason, etc.
And another thing Brein:
how long is the parade?
You Size Queen!!!
 Rocker 
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breinhold
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:10:14 PM new
nothing wrong with opening a door for a woman and hearing thank you. why do i do it? because its nice. i dont get anything from it. but i bet if i didnt i would hear some noise. so i am damned if i do damned if i dont.
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breinhold
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:11:25 PM new
but i dont sit with my legs open on the subway!
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stockticker
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:11:59 PM new
I actually winced when I saw the title of this thread. I've never considered myself as a feminist (and very much dislike the term) and yet in the company I worked for the the 70s I helped blaze the way for other women who followed. I didn't talk about rights, I just simply through my actions (hard work, initiative, professionalism etc.) helped change the perception of the role of women in my work place.
Irene
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breinhold
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:14:00 PM new
"so you can feel gallant and chivalrous" spaz , some mornings i wake up and i have to choose between the two.
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SaraAW
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:16:00 PM new
Icantfindmypants....have you checked your drawers?
Sara
[email protected]
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autarchic
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:16:26 PM new
I'm a woman. I hold the door open for anyone coming in behind me. Whats the big deelio?
Hepburn and your id is easy to speel. I had to copy n paste it!
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breinhold
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:16:58 PM new
ahhhhhhhh thanks sara that color does it everytime.
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nycrocker
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:19:01 PM new
Brein well i never said what i was holding the door open with LOL!!!!!
Auta I guess I'm rambling. I have no answers.
I like your "rambling, and I think you have great answers.
Irene - I always wonder about that. I know some really fierce, really strong women who take "feminist" actions all the time, but who hate and cringe at the word. Why is that? I really want to know, what is it that people don't like about the term? What negative connotations have been attached to it?
To me, being a feminist is something to be really proud of. I love being a really strong, self-sufficient, independent person, which goes against everything I was taught.
Rocker
[ edited by nycrocker on Oct 29, 2001 10:20 PM ]
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outoftheblue
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:19:34 PM new
"Women are not so weak that they can't open a damn door themselves."
Rocker, I'm really sorry you feel that way.
Most of the women I know appreciate it. Funny, I also do the same for men, some of which are bigger and stronger than I am. Some of them also appreciate it.
Yes it is out of respect for them as a human being. You don't usually walk up to a stranger and say I appreciate you, but you can do little things to let them know that in an unthreatening way.
No rocker, in my world there isn't a problem with sexism. I don't see the world through the eyes of an activist. I treat everyone just like they should be treated as my equal.
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spazmodeus
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:20:25 PM new
I think the problem with the word "feminist" is that it conjures an image of Gloria Steinem's face. Icky.
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hepburn
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:20:25 PM new
autarchic, I too hold the door open for anyone coming in behind me, or even in front of me coming my way. It was the way I was raised and its the polite thing to do. Comes natually for me. I also always smile and nod to people who come into eye contact with me. Habit, and I usually get a smile back. I think its called manners. Not a word like feminist, macho, whatever. M.A.N.N.E.R.S.
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breinhold
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:20:26 PM new
i dont know maybe it is my upbringing. i always walk on the traffic side of the sidewalk when walking with a woman. i was taught that when i was young. it was considered a safer place for the woman to be on the inside. please dont attack me for that for petes sake.
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breinhold
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:22:46 PM new
i have the solution!!! from now on men sit with legs closed and women with legs open..yep the subway will be a happy place
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hepburn
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:23:15 PM new
breinhold, you were taught manners also. Nothing to be ashamed of or attacked about, IMHO
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nycrocker
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:24:22 PM new
SPAZ!!!! GASP!! It's over between us. HOW COULD YOU SAY THAT ABOUT MY HERO GLORIA?!?!? 
Oh my god I love her so much. Have you read her books??? The woman is BRILLIANT!!! It is my goal in life just to get her to sign one of her books for me! She has done SO MUCH for women!!!
I think I have to have a nervous breakdown now.
Rocker
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nycrocker
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:27:45 PM new
Nothing to be ashamed of or attacked about, IMHO
Nice try, Hep. I am quite sure Brien knows he is not being "attacked". We are having a really good (and funny) discussion. Don't try to pit one against another and start trouble. You are SO predictable. What's the matter Hep, you weren't getting enough attention?
Rocker
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spazmodeus
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:29:01 PM new
I always manage to put my foot in it somehow, LOL.
Nope, never read one of Gloria's books. What can I say? I like good-looking women. Gloria doesn't do it for me, not even in her Playboy bunny outfit. Yes, yes, I'm superficial! There, it's out! LOL.
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breinhold
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:29:05 PM new
is it just me or is there some history in this thread?
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nycrocker
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:30:21 PM new
Spaz - PS: I think Gloria is beautiful! If she wasn't a straight girl, I would've chased her to the end of the earth and begged her to marry me
Rocker
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breinhold
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:30:51 PM new
gloria always looked mad to me.
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stockticker
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:31:10 PM new
Rocker: I don't know - perhaps the word "feminist" gives me the image of women "huddling" together for protection. There's an old expression:
Sparrows flock; eagles fly alone.
Irene
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hepburn
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:31:21 PM new
Poor Rocker.
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spazmodeus
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:31:30 PM new
Not history, Brein -- herstory. Jeez, get with the thread will ya?
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breinhold
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:31:30 PM new
eek
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nycrocker
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:32:25 PM new
Brein some history in this thread
bingo
gloria always looked mad to me
She was. So were a lot of us.
Rocker
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breinhold
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:33:39 PM new
why
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nycrocker
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:33:42 PM new
Spaz heehee good one
Rocker
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autarchic
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:35:30 PM new
I too sense some history. I'm not going to be drawn into it.
I appreciate very much bein heard and not herded.
Thanks for the wunnerful enlightening convo!
Gnight
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nycrocker
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:36:26 PM new
Brein - WHY?
sigh
Um - did ya read any of my posts here?
And um - did ya happen to notice women don't have white male privelege?
Sorry Brein that's the best I can do to answer in a thread while I'm tired. READ her books, like a good little feminist and you will understand why. I promise.
Rocker
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