hepburn
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:37:07 PM new
Goodnight, autarchic
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breinhold
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:39:18 PM new
white male privelege...oh please...to think i got jumped in a thread for saying falafel. man o man.
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spazmodeus
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:40:33 PM new
I falafel about that.
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breinhold
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:40:59 PM new
sara a little soothing blue would be nice right now
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breinhold
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:41:58 PM new
spaz your killin me
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SaraAW
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:42:47 PM new
Isn't falafel made out of chick peas?
Sara
[email protected]
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icantfindmypants
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:43:41 PM new
ha!
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breinhold
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:44:00 PM new
sara are you sure you guys have to go?
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nycrocker
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:44:33 PM new
white male privelege...oh please...
Oh, you are NOT going to pretend this DOES NOT exist, seriously, are you? This is a joke, right?
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outoftheblue
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:47:45 PM new
I'm a white male and I don't have any privilege.
[ edited by outoftheblue on Oct 29, 2001 10:49 PM ]
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breinhold
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:47:54 PM new
well not at my spot on the ball. but then i could look at martha stewart who is powerful and succesful and say she is white female privelege. from my veiw she is....damn her damn her! (but i bet she can wrassle)
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spazmodeus
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:50:17 PM new
I was standing hip to hip with Martha Stewart back in July. I bet she can wrassle too.
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nycrocker
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:51:29 PM new
Women did not even have the right to VOTE until 1920, do you understand how recent that is?
Women STILL don't make as much money as men, women are STILL portrayed in the media as the COOKS and the HOUSE KEEPERS. (Seen any commercials for food or cleaning products lately? WHO is doing the cooking and cleaning in them?)
A woman can legally be arrested if she takes off her shirt in public, and a man can not. (Not that I would WANT to, but we are talking about "equality" here, right?)
I can go on and on with more FACTS, but it would take about 6000 pages, and since Gloria has already written them, (MUCH more eloquently than I ever could anyway), I suggest you read them.
And you don't think there is such a thing as white male privelge?? I thought you said you were a feminist!!!
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spazmodeus
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:53:46 PM new
I don't know how this works into the theme of the thread, but in those suzy-homemaker commercials, men aren't exactly portrayed in a flattering light either. In fact, they are most often depicted as slobs, gluttons or buffoons.
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nycrocker
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:54:35 PM new
man o man.
Zacly. 
 Rocker 
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outoftheblue
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:55:14 PM new
If women want to take their shirts off in public, more power to them. I don't mind...
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breinhold
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:55:50 PM new
i am going to bed. i will probably dream about wrasslin martha stewart in a big bowl of chick peas with gloria chewin tabacci and reffin as i get martha in the old subway leg lock. hot dang being a man critter rules
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nycrocker
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:56:58 PM new
Spaz, that's another reason I brought up why feminism is not just for women. The media has its gender images in these neat little boxes everyone is supposed to fit into.
Thank god I don't. YUK.
Rocker
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breinhold
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:58:52 PM new
before i go, taking your shirts off!! ok but the minute i take a peek something tells me you would jab a stick in my eye. see ya just cant win. but thats what being priveleged is all about.
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nycrocker
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:58:58 PM new
outoftheblue - I wouldn't mind either
Okay I am outta here too, I gotta get something to eat. Hmmm aren't I supposed to have a WIFE do that for me?
Rolling my eyes
Rocker
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outoftheblue
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posted on October 29, 2001 11:02:43 PM new
"aren't I supposed to have a WIFE do that for me?"
That would be nice I guess. In our house it's everyone for his or her self and dinner time. TV dinner here I come.
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zoomin
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posted on October 30, 2001 03:43:04 AM new
brein:
your dreams frighten me, I hope you slept well last night!
hep&rocker:
I wish you guys (oops ~ generalization1) could bury the hatchet before we all "expire".
I was never told I couldn't climb trees. Mom & Dad never loved it when I would yell "doodybombs away" while going down the slide, though.
I open the door for people, without regard for their age, color, or genitalia.
No one said Girls don't play Baseball to me. Most of you know that I still Coach.
Yup, I'm the only Mommy out there in the dirt. BFD. Every season starts with the parents thinking I'm the Manager's wife. I earn my place out there twice a year. Does it bother me that I have to earn a place that the men are entitled to? Nope. Just makes me chuckle. Most of them couldn't earn a place in the dirt at all ~ good thing they have enough cajones to just find their way out there and good thing I'm there to make sure the doodlebugs have fun and learn a little something about good sportmanship!
I enjoy equality in many aspects of life and I take pride in the fact that I've gained respect.
I'm not the kinda gal that likes stuff handed to me ~ it makes me take stuff for granted. I'm lucky.
but that's just me. I wish others were so lucky.
I'm into mutual respect and love.
In other words, cut the sh*t hep & rocker.
It's group hug time .
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Xardon
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posted on October 30, 2001 03:48:30 AM new
I've been on the subway more than a few times. In my experience a number of factors appear to govern typical passenger behavior: time of day, age, social class, amount and type of concealed weaponry, and the presence of fellow gang members are just some of them. I'm sure traditional gender roles have an effect also. Why limit oneself to issue specific observations when there are so many from which to choose?
During rush hour, nothing will effectively preserve one's personal space. Experienced commuters of all persuasions aggressively crowd together. Only the most repulsive of derelicts, snarling police dogs, and the most egregious devotees of subway frottage are granted a measure of solitude.
At off-peak times the savvy passenger, regardless of gender, defends their territory. Men splay, women strategically arrange packages and bags, all glare at anyone who would presume uninvited intimacy. Just try to sit next to someone on an uncrowded car.
Have you been riding the tourist trains again, Rock?
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godzillatemple
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posted on October 30, 2001 04:26:03 AM new
Some men are just jerks, plain and simple. Some women, too. I rode the subway every day for 4 years, and I always kept my knees together and my arms drawn in to allow provide the maximum space for those on either side of me. I have seen plenty of "aggressive" sitting [hey -- wouldn't that be a great theme for a Seinfeld episode] by members of both genders.
With most men, however, I don't think it's so much a matter of consciously thinking they deserve more space, but simply that most guys are accustomed to sitting with their legs apart, and some of them just are too oblivious to realize that they need to change their behavior on a crowded subway.
Barry
[might as well still post while I can...]
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The opinions expressed above are for comparison purposes only. Your mileage may vary....
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breinhold
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posted on October 30, 2001 04:32:28 AM new
good morning, martha said "its a good thing" last night
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sadie999
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posted on October 30, 2001 04:42:28 AM new
Great thread.
Yes, I have noticed that men and women sit differently on public transit. Heaven help the small woman squashed between two large sprawling men on the PATH from Jersey into the city.
White male privelege. Often the priveleged don't realize they are because it's always just been a part of their lives. I actually remember in 7th grade a teacher saying out loud to the class that we'd start noticing the boys would get better grades in things like math and science. Thank goodness I've always been a contrary cuss - I was obnoxious enough even at that age to remind her of it once final grades were tabulated. But the point is, do any of the men here remember a teacher saying that anything really useful economically was going to be done better by girls now that a certain age had been reached?
Feminism. If by that you mean someone who believes that women should be able to choose how they live their lives in all areas, then yes I am one and don't mind the term. If you mean someone who tows the party line, then I'm probably not one. I like having doors opened for me - especially car doors. I like having men pay the check when I'm single - they usually make more money than I. I don't like taking out the garbage and really never do if I'm living with or married to someone. On the other hand, I'm usually the one who controls how most of the money is spent, and the one who gets the bills paid, negotiates the mortgage, etc. I think both a stripper and a plumber can be feminists. I also think that it's sad we need the term. Feminism only exists because women aren't treated equally in society.
TV depicts men and women very insultingly sometimes. Have you seen that commercial where the men use anything their wives say as an excuse to go to the local burger place (McD? BoogerKing?)? It makes them look like idiots.
And finally, Gloria is just gorgeous. Great cheekbones.
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Linda_K
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posted on October 30, 2001 04:45:18 AM new
Morning
...."there has nonetheless been little attention paid to one persistent gender inequity in US public policy".....
http://www.msnbc.com/news/648787.asp
Uncle Sam & Aunt Samatha
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Zilvy
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posted on October 30, 2001 04:51:19 AM new
I remember at least a couple of commercials where the guy was cleaning the house, moaning and whining "do they really appreciate all that I do?" Another had a guy tippy toeing around all excited at how clean he could get the floor using one of those new damp cloth cleaners.
Women on TV: Judges, DA's, Policewomen, EMTS, Lawyers, Social Service workers, not many stay at home Mom's (but then Edith was the last funny Mom on TV primarily because she survived being Archies mate!)
Women in outside sales make more money than
many men in the same field. Been there done that.
***Just my observations***
And about that white male privelege, oh they try but we don't let 'em get away with it.
One guy at work alwaysleft his dirty
coffee cup in the sink...everyone else rinsed theirs out and put it away. One day he found the scummy thing on his desk with a note attached: "Your mother doesn't work here, clean your own %@#$!* cup or it will be
thrown out. I think he quit drinking coffee after losing the third cup!
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breinhold
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posted on October 30, 2001 05:02:32 AM new
again I must point out that the guys that are seen as rude sloppy pigs had mothers. my point is "behind every great man is a great woman but who was behind all those other horrible men"
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gravid
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posted on October 30, 2001 05:08:00 AM new
Go away for a few hours and come back and any thread that touches on food or sex will be a gazillion pages long. The basics still motivate us.
I do not especially (heart) NY. It is expensive and rude and difficult to deal with. It is also true that you can buy anything that is available anywhere in the world there - legal or not.
However I would do anything to avoid getting on a subway. The one time I tried a NY subway I hesitated going in the door too much and some little gnome of a woman in a babushka drove me through at umbrella point that left bruises over my kidneys. The non-native has no chance at all of even coming close to the desired destination. I swear if you died of a heart attack nobody would know until you were carried out onto the platform with the crowd and allowed to fall to the pavement. You are exposed close up and intimately to people as a midwesterner you are used to seeing on the sidewalk as you drive past locked in your car with a cell phone and a pistol. People you never really wanted to know what they smelled like. It was always more than enough just to imaigine.
New York is full of hazards. I ducked the wrong way around a lamp post on the street and found that they hang these metal telephone boxes on the poles at just the right height for you to run into and knock yourself out cold. I actually woke up with a big crease across my forehead to find a couple people stepping over me as I lay regaining my senses. I suppose I should be happy I fell on my back as I am huge and it would make a real scene to roll me over for my wallet.
I already get resentment because I am so wide at the shoulders I stick out on each side in an airline seat and hang over 4 or 5 inches into the next seat's space in an airplane. I am either making some lady lean against the window all the way to LA. or hanging out in the aisle so every time the cart comes through I have to go through twisting around to get out of the way.
When I sit down feet flat I could not touch me knees together if you held a gun to my head. I am arthritic and the only way I can do that is to cross my legs at the ankle which makes then stick way out.
As long as we are gripping about everything it is really crappy as a male with all this equipment hanging that if you are hung up on a seam or tucked funny and uncomfortable there it is a major felony is you give a little tug to set things back in place and ease the pain.
OK Rocker Go Girl.
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