posted on October 30, 2001 07:00:42 AM newGRAVID You are hysterical....As long as we are gripping about everything it is really crappy as a male with all this equipment hanging that if you are hung up on a seam or tucked funny and uncomfortable there it is a major felony if you give a little tug to set things back in place and ease the pain.
Rocker Heed what da man is saying and be thankful for small favors!!
posted on October 30, 2001 07:38:58 AM new
Some of it could be rudeness, some of it could be an inability to sit with legs closer together, some of it could be staking out territory. But from what I have seen, some of it could also be a sort of fear or terror that another man might sit down next to them. Very close next to them. That, of course, might lead to folks thinking they were together... Have you ever watched guys at movie theatre (& other places)? It's true. If two or more come in they will usually do their best to sit with empty seats between them.
As for being a "feminist"--I think many resist being termed feminists because of the negative image attached to the word.
I, like many young girls, was often told "no." When I was six I was told I could only have hideous cowgirl boots (so I declined to have any & bought my own damn boots with birthday money in high school), that girl's jeans (snapped up the side) were what I should wear, that no I *couldn't* have a baseball mitt because those were for boys, that girls should not be loud or boisterous, that girls had to play with dolls (I can't tell you just how many I "lost" or destroyed--hated 'em). There were *no* organized sports outside of cheerleading for girls where I grew up. Etc. etc. etc. etc.
We still hear that a woman is "asking for it" if she dresses in tight or revealing clothes--but everyday you see men walking down the street with their underwear exposed or their butt crack out where all can see it.
If a woman is a no-nonsense person who expects things to be done properly she is a "#*!@"...a man with the same qualities is
a "leader."
It goes on & on.
Do I "hate men"? No, of course not. But that doesn't mean I am not aware of & resent the doublestandards our society holds.
edited to add an "h"--"ate" & "hate" just aren't the same
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posted on October 30, 2001 07:53:07 AM new
bunnicula - I am 54 years old white male and I agree with you 100% but I found out I can't change the world. I nibble away at little fringes of it but not the great mass of ignorance. At least I have a wife who thinks I can have a woman friend without wanting to sleep with her and a couple male friends that will throw their arms around me and give me a bear huge in the middle of an airport.
We went to get in a van with friends recently and they all stood outside asking who should drive. I spoke up and said Danya and they were surprised I even had an opinion. Why? was the next question. Because she is the best driver here was my answer. Even better than you? asked one fellow? Probably I said. I can do some fancy driving if I have to but I'm 54 and slowing down in my reflexes, and I would never try it in an unfamiliar vehicle like this.
It made them real uncomfortable to have a woman picked but they said OK and she didn't display any false modesty - she strapped in and drove.
posted on October 30, 2001 08:29:25 AM new
OMG, I can't help but LMAO at this thread.
It reminds me of the time I was riding the IRT uptown in the early 80s (right before I moved to the 'burbs) and it was Summer and this young, nice looking guy was sitting across from me on the train - the subway was not crowded as it was not rush hour - and this guy was wearing short cut off jeans and no underwear and being a young woman (crotch watcher?) I looked down to see his member peeking out at me. I was stunned at first because I realized this gut didn't have a clue then I was mesmerized by it and it really wasn't a great member either - it was just the way it peeked out as he sat there splay legged reading his paper and oblivious to it. I can even remember the fringe on his cut-offs and his skinny, hairy legs with sneakers and white socks with blue stripes so I guess it had an impact. Living in NYC most of my life I was accustomed to seeing all kinds of things but this was special in it's own weird way. It is one of them things that is like a photograph on your mind.
And thank you rocker for the memory
Men who wear cut off jeans should invest in some tighty whiteys or keep it undercover by not sitting spread legged. Or maybe, he liked the feeling of "freedom".
BTW - the train was a local and he rode all the way from 51st St. to 110th & B'way. And I didn't stare - just peeked. And every time - it peeked back
posted on October 30, 2001 08:31:32 AM new
That driving thing is really strange... I was taken by surprise last summer when my husband and I were getting in the car and my cousin's 13-year-old daughter asked why I was driving and said, "My dad always drives."
About the term feminism -- I don't like it because it shouldn't be necessary. As long as it exists, it's an indication of inequality. I prefer to simply go about my life and do with it what I wish.
It's fun to see how awkward some guys get when I open the door for them, or let them go first out of the elevator. I think they're getting more used to it, though.
posted on October 30, 2001 08:46:48 AM new
Not sure. Don't, women control the money supply in the U.S.A?.
My Mother & Father, were very much in the fight for the right to vote for women.
My Father & other's made sure that she & other women, were able to vote, without harassment or denial of that right. ( all that help from Dad, could have been because of the churn dash she broke over his head, when they were first married.).
I believe that women rights were won on the swing of a churn dash, or a swift kick in the rear.
Am I a feminist?. Only if my wife wants me to be. ( She received a churn dash as a wedding present from my Mom 38 yrs ago this coming Feb. 2002.)
posted on October 30, 2001 09:23:31 AM new
I am LOVING this thread. I am angry and laughing all at the same time.
Sadie - I LOVED your post. As usual. I don't think I have ever seen you say one thing I disagreed with.
Zilvy And about that white male privelege, oh they try but we don't let 'em get away with it.
ZACLY my point. Right on.
Gravid [i] it is really crappy as a male with all this equipment hanging that if you are hung up on a seam or tucked funny and uncomfortable there it is a major felony is you give a little tug to set things back in place and ease the pain.
OK Rocker Go Girl. [/i]
ROF LMAO!!!
Bunnicula I loved your post too. I always look for you and Sadie's posts because I love both your outlooks on things. Do I "hate men"? No, of course not. But that doesn't mean I am not aware of & resent the doublestandards our society holds.
Me too, zacly.
nobs I looked down to see his member peeking out at me. I was stunned at first because I realized this gut didn't have a clue
ROF!!! nobs, helllooooo - oh my god, guys like that LOVE women like you!! No offense, but nobs, trust me, he had a CLUE. I have seen this countless times on the trains, and when I go up to them and LOUDLY say "Why don't ya show EVERYONE what you're showing me?" they always freak out and get off at the next stop and run away - cos they got CAUGHT. They EXPECT you to sit there and shut up and think it's an "innocent accident". Now come on, nobs, I ask you, did your breast ever ACCIDENTALLY hang out of your shirt on a TWENTY MINUTE TRAIN RIDE without your knowledge? ROF!!! And don't tell me one of those "I accidentally popped out of my bathing suit" stories, which is completely different.
LOLOLOL!!!
Rocker
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posted on October 30, 2001 09:38:36 AM new
Nobsy, Im visualizing you peeking and blushing, lol. Gravid, hope nobs never runs into you somewhere on a subway...she would probably be intranced forver, heh.
posted on October 30, 2001 09:51:26 AM newrocker
LMAO again! You're probably right! I was sooo much younger then too - and besides it was funny to me. I couldn't wait to get to my Mom's apt. and tell her. The really funny thing is - if I were him, I sure wouldn't be showing off that oversized worm or those skinny, hairy legs. He probably had a teeny hole in his newspaper and was just ecstatic that his worm caught my attention.
And my breast has never slipped out of my bathing suit or anything - and I am what you might term as top heavy
I have skinny dipped though
BTW - I am happy to finally post to you - I guess I feel a "kinship" with New Yorkers. It is like we are a certain breed or something.
I now live about an hour from Manhattan and I really miss it. The 'burbs are nice but, as I'm sure you know - NYC rocks!
posted on October 30, 2001 09:56:59 AM new Bunnicula - Have you ever watched guys at movie theatre (& other places)? It's true. If two or more come in they will usually do their best to sit with empty seats between them.
ROF!! Bunni,SOOOO TRUE!!! Ya see it ALL the time on trains, in movies, etc. Me and my friends call that empty seat the "I'M NOT A HOMO" seat. ROF LMAO!!
Nobs {{{BIG HUGS}}}} to my neighbor!! NYC rocks all right!!!!
Rocker
[ edited by nycrocker on Oct 30, 2001 09:58 AM ]
posted on October 30, 2001 09:58:46 AM new
This reminds me of the time my sister and I walked out of the Met and there was this guy sitting on the steps wearing cutoffs with everything showing singing "I Am the Walrus". I think everyone in New York has these stories.
posted on October 30, 2001 10:43:08 AM newAccording to the Alaska Department of Fish and Game, while both male and female reindeer grow antlers in the summer each year, male reindeer drop their antlers at the beginning of winter, usually late November to mid-December. Female reindeer retain their antlers till after they give birth in the spring.
Therefore, according to every historical rendition depicting Santa's reindeer, every single one of them, from Rudolph to Blitzen- had to be a girl. We should've known. Only women would be able to drag a fat-ass man in a red velvet suit all around the world in one night and not get lost.
posted on October 30, 2001 11:01:01 AM new
If I knew you better Charlotte, I'd ask why be equal when you can be superior? But, I don't know you well enough.
posted on October 30, 2001 11:09:51 AM new
I might be superior...but I know I am equal.
I figured out that body language differece a bit ago. I use it to my advantage.
Going into a race or rock concert I grab onto Ted's back belt, hunker down and we get where we need to be. Once there I take up all the space I can with elbows and feet. Whatever works for the task....
posted on October 30, 2001 11:10:16 AM new
This is so fun, I could sit here on my @$$ all day.. .but... I gotta go get some work done now
Keep it goin, Feminists, Fierce ones, whatever you're called
Catch up with ya later....
xo
posted on October 30, 2001 12:31:51 PM new
My wife should wear a big S on her chest. As far as I'm concerned she's amazing. Don't call her a feminist though unless you have a death wish.
posted on October 30, 2001 12:46:12 PM new
Feminist is just another meaningless label people put on themselves because they are incapable of independent thought. Just like Liberal or Conservative....
posted on October 30, 2001 12:50:54 PM new
Or maybe it's descriptive.
I've had many conversations with people complaining about how music is categorized. As if it's not just easier to have "Charles Mingus" in the Jazz section and "Mudhoney" in Rock.
Xardon: you may have been packing, but John Lennon ya ain't.
posted on October 30, 2001 01:07:56 PM new
outoftheblue,
Feminist is just another meaningless label people put on themselves because they are incapable of independent thought.
Hmmmm I thought we were having a discussion, not deliberately trying to insult each other. Since I do identify as a feminist, and my views seem to be in the minority here, and that obviously doesn't change my views in any way, I guess it's pretty safe to say I am pretty damn capable of independent thought. Maybe some people are just incapable of discussion without negativity, arrogance, and insults. Perhaps especially when it's a white male talking to a female with independent thoughts? Just a thought. Thank you for proving my point further.
Rocker
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posted on October 30, 2001 01:13:27 PM new Sure, nobody ever say's, "Boy, that guy can really belt out a tune!" No.....they all gotta comment on my attire!
Xardon, are you telling us that you are a Drag Queen?! I had no idea!!
Rocker
sheeesh I keep messin up spelling, italics, etc
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That, of course, might lead to folks thinking they were together... Have you ever watched guys at movie theatre (& other places)? It's true. If two or more come in they will usually do their best to sit with empty seats between them.
Right on.
Rocker 
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