nycyn
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posted on May 24, 2002 02:45:21 PM new
>>Folks, you complain about subsidizing Israel ... what do you think you're doing when you fill up your gas tank?<<
Hel-lo!
Give up our SUV's????
Never! The Bushes need the money for one thing...
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dman3
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posted on May 24, 2002 03:04:17 PM new
since when is Israel an arab oil producing nation ???
What does buying fuel have to do with subsidizing anything all your doing is purchasing fuel from an american oil company keeping the people who refine and deliver inside this country working.
most oil companies are not arab or middle eastern at all.
Not buying fuel takes food and shelter away from the family down the street USA..
http://www.Dman-N-Company.com
Email [email protected]
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REAMOND
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posted on May 26, 2002 11:23:32 PM new
auroranorth- "We get an ''ally'' that sells technology to our enemies." Not anymore than any of our other allies.
"We get an ''ally''that spies on us." All of our allies spy on us and have for decades.
"We get an ''ally''That murders American servicemen aboard the USS Liberty, in a vicious unprovoked assault to cover up their crimminal violations of international law." This ship was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Israel was in a war fighting for its life and couldn't take a chance that the ship was up to innocent activities or time to even verify it was an American vessel.
"We get an ''ally'' that has their fifth coloumn agressivley pursue American Politicians who place America First." What foreign power doesn't pursue favor from American politicians ?
"We get enemies we don't need by supplying the bullets to shoot kids hiding next to a wall under their unarmed fathers arms, in the back" So you think that the muslims wouldn't target the U.S. if we didn't support Israel ? Why aren't they targeting Jordan and Syria ? Jordan and Syria treated the Palestinians worse than Israel has. Why aren't they suicide bombing these countries ? The dictator in Syria did get some problems from one village- he killed every man, woman, and child in the village, and just for effect, he actually paved over the entire village with blacktop. The Palestinians don't even sneeze in these countries or they'll kill them.
The PLO,Syria,Jordan,Iran,Iraq,Egypt, Saudi Arabia and the rest of these muslim despotic countries are treacherous, vile, and bigoted freedom haters. That they should have power over any part of the earth is an affront to humanity.
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krs
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posted on May 26, 2002 11:59:34 PM new
"This ship was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Israel was in a war fighting for its life and couldn't take a chance that the ship was up to innocent activities or time to even verify it was an American vessel".
http://home.cfl.rr.com/gidusko/liberty/
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auroranorth
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posted on May 27, 2002 01:59:56 AM new
if this was 1941 and I substituted japan for Israel then the average person would realize the truth, Israel is an enemy state, Run by religious fanatics Just Like Iran.
How dare you excuse these crimminal actions with glib remarks right out of the Israeli propaganda ministry. If any nation launches a military assault on another nation with unmarked planes it would be called MURDER.
The pilots are not covered under military law as they were not flying Militarily marked vehicles. We people in America are entitled to have these Murderers brought before an American Jury. The despicable behavior of Johnson and the sussequent leaders shows a marked conflict of interest
with some American politicians that cannot be tolerated if the USA is to be anything more than a puppet on an Israeli string.
When I bring this up you go off on a tangent about the arabs, stick to the subject without the hype smoke and mirrors and a person realizes that US soldiers were murdered in a cold calculating fashion by Israeli Military forces in an operation that had to have had the connivance of the very top of that government.
The fact that people would post here and suggest that this is ok is indicative of a moral rot that is killing America.
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auroranorth
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posted on May 27, 2002 02:18:05 AM new
http://home.cfl.rr.com/gidusko/liberty/israel2.htm
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twinsoft
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posted on May 27, 2002 07:55:56 PM new
Baby and grandmother killed by terrorist
"I saw a baby that had half a regular face, and half a face that was just blood and flesh." "The attacker struck 'children and babies who were sitting with their parents at the cafe near the supermarket.'"
The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack, according to Hezbollah television in Lebanon.
The article goes on with the same old rhetoric. The PLO blames Israel. Can anyone believe their crap? In my opinion, Israel should give 24 hours notice, then raze the West Bank, one town at a time.
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stusi
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posted on May 27, 2002 08:12:08 PM new
auroranorth- "...the fascist government of Israel"? You are calling Israel fascist when our country considers it an ally? What kind of un-American/terrorist crap is that? The terrorist sign-in thread is still around somewhere.
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auroranorth
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posted on May 27, 2002 08:12:36 PM new
No one can justify the carnage. The families must all be suffering greatly. The Governments seem inept to stop it. But there is an inkling of the problem in what you have to say, listen to yourself talk, raze the west bank because of the terror attacks, would this be anything like raze the warsaw ghetto ? Look In The Mirror!
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auroranorth
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posted on May 27, 2002 08:21:06 PM new
Hey Stusi Yes I said fascist and I should Have said Racist Fascist. Our Government is incapable of dealing with this problem. When Bush says Saddam get out we get a 30 nation coalition when bush says Israel get out we get the UN Backing down. The fact Is is that Other Israeli Leaders laid down a peace process that was finally working and 2 minorities did not like it the fat guy and his supporters and the fanatical on the edges of the other side. So they both did everything they could to wreck it. and now the bodies of innocents on both sides pile up while they both continue this idiocy in an inane attempt to start worldwar three.
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stusi
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posted on May 27, 2002 08:25:59 PM new
I was under the impression that Israel had on several occasions accepted terms outlining a Palestinian homeland and that it was the Palestinians in each case that turned such agreements down, instead responding with terrorist attacks. Are you saying this is not so?
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auroranorth
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posted on May 27, 2002 09:04:38 PM new
maybe you could send them some pitbulls.
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twinsoft
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posted on May 27, 2002 10:05:04 PM new
It is a matter of security. The time to pity the poor Palestinians is past. I didn't say kill them all. You don't understand terrorism at all. The Arabs would be happy to see the current situation continue indefinitely, and a Palestinian homeland will not solve the problem. What do you think would happen if "Palestine" started building up tanks and fighter planes along the Israeli border?
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stusi
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posted on May 28, 2002 05:10:30 AM new
auroranorth- I am not surprised that you did not/could not answer my question about Israel's conciliations to Palestine.
First you ignore those facts, then you make an assinine statement about Israel being Fascist. As a Fascist country is run by a dictator(no free elections), do you really think Israel qualifies or are you just once again talking out of your butt with no knowledge of what the word means? You like hearing yourself talk, just as certain others here do, with no concern for accuracy. Since you hate our government and its allies so much, why are you still living here? If Israel were to fall you would learn what Fascism really is.
[ edited by stusi on May 28, 2002 06:09 AM ]
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auroranorth
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posted on May 28, 2002 07:05:55 AM new
Well you know stusi theres always prozac I hear they have a new industrial strength thats shaped like a little 55 gallon drum. I did not answer because you rave with out thought. I was not attacking Jewish People who live here and work hard for the things they have. I was attacking the murderers who killed the United States Sailors abord the USS Liberty. And No I am not a member of the Militia, I don't even know a member of the militia, but if it is going to take a militia to restore the control of this nations policies to the people of the USA I say Go For It.
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stusi
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posted on May 28, 2002 07:46:44 AM new
auroranorth- you are getting a bit defensive! Did I ever say that you were attacking Jewish people here? Nice try at a smokescreen! Regarding the Liberty incident- how could anyone in their right mind think that Israel would knowingly attack the U.S. fleet? Since you support the use of militias to restore control to the people, does that include overthrow of the government? BTW- you STILL have not answered my questions about Israel's conciliations and your label of Fascism! You have been busted as yet another blowhard poster who does not have the integrity to respond to direct questions.You are now eligible for membership into the krs hit and run club!
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auroranorth
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posted on May 28, 2002 11:33:04 AM new
You could vote in Mussolini's italy too, Can Palestinians vote in Israeli elections ? Your the one with the smoke screen you just keep repeating the big lie. Israel hit that ship because they knew that Israel had executed 1,000 Egyptian soldiers, further the sister ship the Pueblo was captured 9 months later by an arms customers of Israel's the North koreans. Isreal hit that ship because American lives mean nothing to these radicals. You are the person who thinks Israel is an ally. I know better. A fascist is to me some unthinking follower of the pack you are a fascist a law for this a law for that blind unquestioning obdience to the state. the guys at the top know better than the little people. Call names and come up with scapegoats when you dont get your own way. In the words of Washington Jefferson Brown, Your Mama.
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stusi
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posted on May 28, 2002 12:12:58 PM new
auroranorth- I am not aware of the voting process in Fascist Italy-please fill me in. Why exactly should Palestinians be able to vote in Israeli elections? Are you absurdly implying that "free" elections in a country should be open to any nationality? You still have not answered my question about conciliations or overthrow of the government! I guess by "getting your own way" you mean expecting someone to answer straightforward questions. That is something that is getting all too rare around here and you are no exception!
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clarksville
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posted on May 28, 2002 12:14:51 PM new
As for the USS Liberty issue, here are some links:
http://pnews.org/art/1ussliberty.shtml
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/liberty.html
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stusi
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posted on May 28, 2002 12:55:45 PM new
The required paranoia to think otherwise is mind-boggling! Possibly other thoughts about Israel blind one's sensibilities.
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auroranorth
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posted on May 28, 2002 12:57:18 PM new
Are you absurdly implying that "free" elections in a country should be open to any nationality? are you saying that the Palestinians had or have a nation ?
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stusi
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posted on May 28, 2002 12:59:34 PM new
No, you were! I used the term hoping to get an answer from you. Once again a poster is using semantics to try to "catch" someone when it is quite clear how they feel. Answer the question(s).
[ edited by stusi on May 28, 2002 01:01 PM ]
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Helenjw
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posted on May 28, 2002 03:06:44 PM new
For What It's Worth
There's something HAPPENING here
What it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Tellin' me I got to beware
I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound
Ev'rybody look what's goin' down
There's battle lines bein' drawn
Nobody's right if ev'rybody's wrong
Young people speakin' their minds
Gettin' so much resistance from behind
I think it's time we stop, children,
What's that sound?
Ev'rybody look what's goin' down
What a field day for the heat.
A thousand people in the street.
Singin' songs and carrying signs
Mostly saying "Hooray for our side"
Stop, children, what's that sound?
EV'rybody look what's goin' down
Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
Step out of line the men come and take you away
You better stop, hey, whats that sound?
Ev'rybody look what's goin' down
Ha Ha Ha!!!
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