nycyn
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posted on June 3, 2002 05:21:22 PM new
>>However, your auctions were for items from Nazi Germany which are not allowed on eBay. While you may list Nazi stamps and currency, we don't allow listings for philatelic items with Nazi cancellation marks. Therefore, we have ended these auctions and all fees have been credited to your account.<<
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Borillar
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posted on June 3, 2002 05:30:10 PM new
At least they a) credited your account, and b) they actually wrote to you an explantion; both of which is unusual for eBay. I'd say: go with it!
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nycyn
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posted on June 3, 2002 05:39:12 PM new
Um, what's the difference between a Nazi cancellation and a Nazi stamp, etc. (Eyes crossed.)
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stusi
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posted on June 3, 2002 06:42:46 PM new
If you keep your eyes crossed long enough it might come to you that it doesn't matter whether Ebay has an arbitrary policy or not. Don't you have anything better to sell? Who do you think buys this stuff?
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Helenjw
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posted on June 3, 2002 06:43:41 PM new
I don't know much about stamps but a good place to find examples is here...
Anti-Semitic & Nazi Philatelic Items
I had a problem selling a book that was considered Nazi literature...Goebbels Diary. My auction disappeared and then I recieved a note from Ebay explaining that the book could not be sold in all countries.
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Helenjw
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posted on June 3, 2002 06:47:19 PM new
stusi
The fact that you collect stamps or literature is not an indication that you are anti-semitic.
Helen
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nycyn
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posted on June 3, 2002 06:48:59 PM new
>>Don't you have anything better to sell? Who do you think buys this stuff?<<
Um the same people that buy historical memorabilia; militaria; WW2 memorabilia; covers; first issues; vintage post cards and letters and those "Nazi stamps."
Got a problem with that?
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nycyn
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posted on June 3, 2002 06:54:47 PM new
Do a search on eBay "nazi" "swastika" "hitler" etc. and you'll find plenty of stuff.
WTC related stuff is also not allowed or wasn't and there were thousands of OBNOXIOUS items. According to eBay, keychains, hats, buttons, badges, etc. were out, but you could find TONS at any time.
It's the ones people complain to them about that get yanked. You think eBay really watches?
I have a cyber-stalker that sees to it.
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nycyn
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posted on June 3, 2002 07:04:46 PM new
Helen:
Very interesting link. Thanks. How do you come up with this stuff???
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stusi
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posted on June 3, 2002 07:05:30 PM new
nycyn- how do you know who buys this crap? You know for a fact, I suppose, that no Nazis or neo-Nazis buy it? Or do you just not care? The fact that there are numerous listings for something doesn't mean there are no moral or ethical issues involved in buying or selling them!
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stusi
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posted on June 3, 2002 07:06:24 PM new
duplicate post
[ edited by stusi on Jun 3, 2002 07:08 PM ]
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hepburn101
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posted on June 3, 2002 07:12:55 PM new
nycyn, can I be nosey and ask you a question? I recall reading that you mentioned before that you had a problem once before here in RT with someone harassing you. Now you say you have a cyber stalker. Can you tell us who it is that you think is doing this, or did this in the past and if you were known as nycyn then as you are now?
Just curious.
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kraftdinner
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posted on June 3, 2002 07:16:35 PM new
stusi, that makes no sense to me. How can we know who buys the stuff we sell?
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stusi
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posted on June 3, 2002 07:19:19 PM new
kraft- exactly! Yet nycyn claims to know that they are all just innocent WW2 collectors. The question is if she would continue if she knew the buyers were of the ilk I mentioned.
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Helenjw
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posted on June 3, 2002 07:19:45 PM new
Kraftdinner
That was just what I was thinking.
How can you question what motivates people to buy anything. Some people, for example may buy such stamps for historical interest.
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oklahomastampman
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posted on June 3, 2002 07:20:49 PM new
I have a worldwide stamp collection, pre-1940. That includes the part of the German Nazi era from 1933 to 1940. If I wish to complete the German portion of my collection through these years, I have to include a large number of postage stamps that have Nazi emblems on them. Same goes for the German occupied areas of Czechoslovakia and Poland in 1939 and 1940.
The collection of this material does not mean one agrees with the objectives of the government of that country at that time - my worldwide collection also includes the Soviet Union, the United States, Great Britain, etc. Instead, it is the drive that all collectors share - for as much completeness as possible in their area of interest. Many stamp collectors probably don't have any political persuasion one way or the other.
By the way, a stamp is the titbit of paper that is attached to the envelope, card, or whatever, to show that postage has been pre-paid. The cancellation is the ink image that is applied to cancel the stamp so that it can't be soaked from the envelope and reused on another piece of mail - the cancellation on the stamp will show that it has previously been used. Many Nazi-era cancellations were pictorial in nature, often with Nazi emblems prominantly displayed. Such displays of Nazi emblems are still strongly discouraged in a few countries, although there is much philatelic material avaiable from German stamp dealers on ebay that have a large percentage of Nazi-era material present. These same dealers always have a disclaimer present stating that the sale of that material in no way encourages the Nazi viewpoint and that the material is only available as historical material for individual collectors - I believe that a German law prescribes that this statement must be present for the offering of the material to be legal.
Someone sensitive to this particular area must have pointed out your auction and turned you in. There is just so much other similar material that is readily available on ebay, even with Nazi cancellations displayed.
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nycyn
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posted on June 3, 2002 07:21:11 PM new
Hep--I think it's the same, yes, and have plenty good reason to believe so. Then there's the *people* with zero feedback that bid on $1.00 items and leave negs screaming "Fraud!" 
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stusi
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posted on June 3, 2002 07:22:24 PM new
To me it's like someone who happened across some books on pedophilia and decided to sell them believing that the buyers would be "just book collectors"!
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hepburn101
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posted on June 3, 2002 07:22:52 PM new
UhOh. Im suspiciously thinking that large size ladies are buying some of the stuff I listed in plus sizes. Who woulda thunk?
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hepburn101
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posted on June 3, 2002 07:24:44 PM new
I have had a few like those myself, nycyn. But I dont think its someone "messing" with my sales deliberately. Then again, I havent been in your situation either (whatever it is). Is it someone that used to post here too, under another name?
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stusi
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posted on June 3, 2002 07:27:17 PM new
oklahoma- do you really believe that a disclaimer absolves someone of any motives or guilt? As a former philatelist I understand the desire for a complete collection. There are some, however, who would not start a German stamp collection knowing what it would take to complete it.
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nycyn
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posted on June 3, 2002 07:30:07 PM new
OKSM--I think these were from Occupied Poland and Occupied France. I think. Otherwise non-descript except I can't read German. Both cancelled "Feldpost", whatever that means.
>>kraft- exactly! Yet nycyn claims to know that they are all just innocent WW2 collectors. The question is if she would continue if she knew the buyers were of the ilk I mentioned.<<
Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn. 1) I doubt neo-nazis are interested in philatelics, and 2) well, #2 is beyond you, I'm afraid.
Bottom line: I don't give a damn. Okay? Deal with it.
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nycyn
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posted on June 3, 2002 07:31:15 PM new
Double-post.
OKSM: '40 & '41.
[ edited by nycyn on Jun 3, 2002 07:36 PM ]
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Helenjw
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posted on June 3, 2002 07:35:42 PM new
Stusi
You asked about the pedophilia books. Yes, I would sell them to anyone without question. How do I know that the buyer is a psychologist or a pervert. That is ludicrous to think that I need to examine and know every buyers morality before I sell an item.
Helen
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kraftdinner
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posted on June 3, 2002 07:37:43 PM new
..."they are all just innocent WW2 collectors."
I don't see where she said innocent stusi but let's say a "Neo-Nazi" bought a stamp. What would be their purpose for it?
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stusi
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posted on June 3, 2002 07:39:28 PM new
nycyn- for you to even suggest that it would be the philatelics that neo-Nazis would be/not be interested in is quite naive. Bottom line is you have no business ethics. Would you associate with a known neo-Nazi as well? Or do you have no ethics of any kind?
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gravid
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posted on June 3, 2002 07:40:21 PM new
Their are some who will not rest until all memory of the Nazi is eliminated. The reason seems to be that only Jews are allowed to display or comment on that government and that any other people who speak of or display Nazi items are automatically supporting the Nazi line of thought.
My father in law brought Nazi items home from the war - he collected them by shooting the original owners but he still gets no credit for that. If he displays them he is himself a Nazi.
Screwy thinking no?
The guy laying with a gapping chest wound might not feel glorified.
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nycyn
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posted on June 3, 2002 07:41:07 PM new
>>Um, what's the difference between a Nazi cancellation and a Nazi stamp, ("currency"etc. (Eyes crossed.)<<
To be redundant.
Catch y'all tomorrow. Gotta be tippy-top for Nurse Ratchet. (which may be a bad plan actually.  )
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gravid
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posted on June 3, 2002 07:41:30 PM new
Their are some who will not rest until all memory of the Nazi is eliminated. The reason seems to be that only Jews are allowed to display or comment on that government and that any other people who speak of or display Nazi items are automatically supporting the Nazi line of thought.
My father in law brought Nazi items home from the war - he collected them by shooting the original owners but he still gets no credit for that. If he displays them he is himself a Nazi.
Screwy thinking no?
The guy laying with a gapping chest wound might not feel glorified.
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kraftdinner
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posted on June 3, 2002 07:45:01 PM new
Two different topics wouldn't you say stusi? The Holocaust was part of history. Pedophiles aren't.
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