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 clarksville
 
posted on June 15, 2002 10:22:26 AM new
The milkman told the media that he saw TWO DIFFERENT suspicious drivers in the few days before her abduction. The one that appeared NOT to be Edmunds followed him a bit. The milkman was wondering if the driver was going to steal his milk...serious. That's what he told the interviewer. I had to "laugh" at that.


http://www.elizabethsmart.com/kidnapped/index.htm



 
 kraftdinner
 
posted on June 15, 2002 11:20:05 AM new
You mean this milkman with the light colored baseball cap?



I guess everybody's a suspect. I still think this person had to have known his way around the house.


 
 nycyn
 
posted on June 15, 2002 11:28:35 AM new
>>Why would a milkman take the time to stop and visit and give treats to young children he didn't know, while on the job? To make friends?<<

Maybe he just likes kids and has been watching them grow up?

I talk to kids all the time, and even give them treats if I'm carrying.

Come on!


 
 clarksville
 
posted on June 15, 2002 12:18:50 PM new

kraftdinner, yep.

It is strange that if he was giving treats to the kids from his milk products, why would he be worried if the suspicious guy was going to steal his milk?



 
 clarksville
 
posted on June 15, 2002 12:22:30 PM new

I agree kraftdinner about the person knowing their way around the house, but how do we/they know if he went straight to the bedroom? He may have opened the doors til he found the right one. Also, sometimes kids have "stuff" on the outside of their door that would help to identify which bedroom were the kids' room vs the parents'.



 
 kraftdinner
 
posted on June 15, 2002 01:46:02 PM new
You're right clarksville. Maybe he did move around from room to room. They're sure not saying much about anything except they think they're getting closer, but maybe that's just police talk.


 
 gravid
 
posted on June 15, 2002 10:05:38 PM new
If the milk man is like the ones still operating in the upscale neighborhoods here they sell ice cream - premium juices and maybe even frozen foods. It is a good sales ploy to give the kids ice cream sandwiches or other items and they will pester the parents to buy them. I was guilty of that as a teenager when I sold ice cream off a cart. I had kids that would always buy popscicles and I would upgrade them free once to a drumstick or such and the next time around they would be buying them.

Any kind of delevery driver will worry that someone following them is going to snatch something off his truck when he stops to make a delivery because in the city it is so COMMON for that to happen. I have even had plumbing supplies pulled off a truck at the stop light. When I was selling ice cream I had a strong arm robber once - we both ended up in the hospital. I needed a new cash box because I bent it over his head, but I also hit him in the gut and found out he had a huge cowboy belt buckle under his shirt that was hanging out. - Ouch.

 
 kraftdinner
 
posted on June 16, 2002 02:29:28 PM new


Detective Dwayne Baird says Elizabeth Smart's kidnapper wore a cap like the white one he is holding. He used the tan hat to show what color the cap was.

SALT LAKE CITY, Utah (CNN) --
Police on Saturday displayed for the
news media a cap they said was similar
to one worn by the man who kidnapped
Elizabeth Smart.

Smart's sister, Mary Catherine, has told
police she witnessed a man wearing a tan
golf-style cap enter their bedroom before
dawn on June 5 and abduct the
14-year-old.

"This is not a vague clue," said Detective
Dwayne Baird of the Salt Lake City Police
Department. "It's an identifying piece of
this puzzle and if someone knows
someone who was up in this area dressed
like this with that kind of a cap, it would
be beneficial for us to know who they are
and what business they had up here."

http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/06/15/utah.teenager/index.html


 
 clarksville
 
posted on June 16, 2002 04:37:09 PM new

kraftdinner......do you suppose........the hat looks real similar to the milkman.

[ edited by clarksville on Jun 16, 2002 04:38 PM ]
 
 clarksville
 
posted on June 16, 2002 04:49:24 PM new


Years ago I (as well as others) didn't think twice about the ice cream man giving free treats to kids. A few years ago, I discovered that some ice cream men would trade favors.

Yes, I understand the consumer relations in giving out freebies, but personally I would be apprehensive in being a milkman/ice cream man giving out freebies to children. When I give out freebies to kids, I ask the parents' permission, if veasible. If I do give out a treat to a child and a parent tells me I shouldn't have, I would apologize and not do it again.

If I observed a milkman/ice cream man giving out freebies on a regular basis, it would raise my eyebrows. One can't "afford" to give out freebies all the time. Sure every so often, but too much, it eats into the profit.

Unless of course, the business is owned by a church. LDS does have the practice in owning the farms, businesses etc and the members run the farms and businesses. The church recieves a percentage. Of course, they don't pay taxes. So the milk company/church could have been able to afford giving out freebies on a regular business.



 
 kraftdinner
 
posted on June 17, 2002 07:24:53 PM new
I guess the hat they're describing is one of those golf hats and not a baseball cap clarksville. I think the free drinks were a marketing ploy and not a big deal, but I could be wrong. It sure is a mysterious case.




 
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