posted on September 27, 2002 10:28:33 AM new
I agree Katy! Patti's voice and stage presence was awesome. It's because Madonna was from a poorer family that she doesn't measure up.
Those little things bother me too Pat. And what about garbage? We have to pay for garbage collection here... $1.50 a bag and I think that's a good thing. Maybe they should charge people to flush. Imagine the revenue!!
posted on September 27, 2002 10:38:51 AM new
Watch it, Donny. Next thing we know you'll want all those mouth-breathing Georgians out of the bean pool. You and I will be in the 51% that gets the axe.
posted on September 27, 2002 10:59:16 AM new
I don't mean to derail this thread, but we did slightly discuss taxes and what we would be willing to pay for. I suggest that when we file our taxes each year, that we have a check off sheet on just what we are willing to have our taxes cover.
Among many other things, my taxes will go to pay for libraries, schools, federal defense but with no waste, educational grants (because education is the escape from poverty), roads and dams, police and fire protection, prisons and jails, higher salaries for teachers in order to obtain the best ones available, and medical research.
Also, since DNA tests have now proven (and released people from prison years after conviction) some people innocent, my taxes will pay for one DNA test (where applicable) for each person convicted of a crime.
My taxes will NOT pay for abortions, food stamps, welfare (after two years) studies of the mating habits of the tse tse fly (et al).
Not my name on ebay.
[ edited by Valleygirl on Sep 27, 2002 02:10 PM ]
posted on September 27, 2002 11:29:16 AM new
AH! BUT Valleygirl....what do you think of Evita? And lima beans? Everyone has to have an opinion on lima beans. I detest the things
PAT!!! I was awake half the night worried sick about that flushing problem. I've vowed to only flush during off-peak hours. I am willing to do my part to save the world from tipping on its axis...that is what would happen isn't it if all that water were displaced at once?
Snowy, Omahavaccine and Fosters and Smith [my personal favorites] allow you to buy vaccines on-line or from their catalog. You can't get rabies vaccine as only a vet can give that one. Cost? About $3.00 each. Big savings if you have a lot of pets and aren't squeamish about giving them yourself.You can also get antibiotics [for fish ]and things and there is another catalog place I know that has flea stuff..like advantage much cheaper than anywhere else.You can even get epinephrine ~ if you have pets that get stung and are allergic it is nice to have on hand.And no, I do not work for any of these companies. Commercial over...back to your regularly scheduled programing.
posted on September 27, 2002 11:49:55 AM new
Yeah, what about Evita, Valleygirl? Does she go or stay? Also, you don't have to answer about the lima beans as I find the question irrelevant.
Lima beans don't compare with black eyed peas. NOT sophisticated black eyed peas such as peas laced with vinaigrette but good old black eyed peas with corn bread and buttermilk!!! Do I get axed for that preferance?
Valleygirl - Loosen up and state your bean preferance.
posted on September 27, 2002 12:46:31 PM new
I HATE lima beans. My mom made me eat them as a kid and I won't buy them, I won't cook them, I won't serve them.
One time my twins sons stayed at my mom's house and the only vegetable she had in the freezer was a half bag of lima beans. She served them anyway to my boys and they loved them.
Evita? I loved the song "Don't cry for me". I saw the movie years ago, but don't remember if she was the hero or the villan. I don't care for Madonna's version of Evita, I saw the one with the Hanger Beater.
posted on September 27, 2002 01:37:54 PM new
It's Pat's fault Helen. In hindsight, I think she slipped her name in there so we'd have an out. Geez, she only showed up last night and already Evita and lima beans are on the way out, along with a change in our flushing habits. It's all for you Pat!!
Yeah Valleygirl, was she a hero or a villain? Good question.
posted on September 27, 2002 02:01:36 PM new
Well, Helen, Evita made it onto the list because from what *I* could tell, Joan of Arc (yep, she was one of my first female choices) did not appear to have been born into poverty, given the living standards of her time and place. Determined to ensconce another woman on the list, I persisted in my search to find one. The troubling fact is, most women who attain/achieve something in this world are born into at least middle-class families. Considering that education for women was denied for millenia in most cultures around the world, it's no surprise to discover that the handful of, say, women painters who "made it" in Europe over the last 400 years all came from well-off households. Even Mother Teresa, who certainly embraced and lived amidst poverty for most of her life, was born into a well-to-do family.
Evita -- the non-Americanized version -- was:
a. born dirt poor
and
b. rose to a position of prominence in Argentina, even before she married what's-his-name.
Fine with me if she sings her way off the list along with the lima beans, although it would've made for a tidier giggle if she'd been from Peru.
posted on September 27, 2002 02:06:55 PM new
What?!?! She was born to French peasants during the Hundred Years War. It doesn't get much worse than that for poverty. Think Mother Courage with 70 more years of grinding warfare.
Leaving you with Bertoldt Brecht. You have the right to an informed opinion -Harlan Ellison
posted on September 27, 2002 02:17:46 PM new
Pat, France in that era was still in the feudalism (think Gothic/Middle Ages) era, where peasant = lowest rung in the order. That was one of the reasons the French nobles did not want to follow her, she was a peasant girl, and who is a peasant to lead those of the nobility? You have the right to an informed opinion -Harlan Ellison
posted on September 27, 2002 02:29:31 PM new
Snowy, I'll defer to your greater knowledge on the subject. My limited understanding of Joan of Arc's life was shaped by an Ingrid Bergman movie in the 1950's and a scanned biography on the web last night.
Helen, we're merely trying to come up with a list of people who were born poor but grew up to contribute in some way to society/civilization. Famous/accomplished people who were born rich are too easy.
Edited to add: Extra points for finding women born poor who "made it".
posted on September 27, 2002 02:37:39 PM new
I would like to add one thing that is good about kids and flushing toilets(if we are going to slow down the flushng, LOL!) ...they never do, LOL!!!!!!!!
posted on September 27, 2002 02:49:27 PM new
Whoopi Goldberg
(Victoria Woodhull surprises me. I didn't even bother looking at feminists/suffragettes because they could all read and write, which to me meant educated, which to me meant money. This is cool, Snowy! I love learning more about people I've heard of but never "studied".)
hahaha, Coralreef, I suspect this thread is headed down the toilet no matter what!
posted on September 27, 2002 03:23:30 PM new
This has all the attributes of an anti-abortion campaign. The only thing, is that you're talking about a very small number of people in the grand scheme of things, whether from a poor background or not. It still boils down to a need to stop having so many children if you can't afford them. I'm talking this day & age... now. In a time where information is at an all time high, ignorance is no excuse. Having 10 kids, because one of them might be the next Elvis or Oprah is dumb.
posted on September 27, 2002 04:01:46 PM new
Well, Krafty, having never had kids myself, I'm in no position, really, to impose my rather austere and un-PC views on others. What I *can* do -- and what you can do, too -- is make my opinions known to those we've empowered to do something about it. I guarantee you that if your U.S. Senators received a thousand letters complaining about over-population and/or the taxation associated with paying for impoverished large families, that topic would move to the top of his or her agenda.
I'll give you an example: an absolute wretch of a right-wing judge, Priscilla Owen, was nominated for a lifetime appointment to the United States Circuit Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit. I emailed everyone I know to sit down and write a snail-mail letter to their U.S. Senators, and I did the same. I also emailed my U.S. Senators urging them to oppose her appointment. Probably hundreds of other concerned citizens did the same thing. Judge Owen wasn't appointed.
Getting involved in our government *does* matter; it's the only way to change things, short of outright revolution. If over-population is the number one thing on your mind, spend an hour writing down your concerns and send them to Washington. If you've got friends or relatives who share your feelings on the subject, invite them to do the same.
]and things and there is another catalog place I know that has flea stuff..like advantage much cheaper than anywhere else.You can even get epinephrine ~ if you have pets that get stung and are allergic it is nice to have on hand.And no, I do not work for any of these companies. Commercial over...back to your regularly scheduled programing.