profe51
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posted on November 10, 2002 08:08:36 AM new
you do that often anyway, right?? and be careful what you check out at the library.
http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,56234,00.html
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mrbusinessman
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posted on November 10, 2002 09:16:06 AM new
Let's see... Unless you're a criminal or a terrorist, this shouldn't affect you in any way. So what's the problem? We live in dangerous times my friend. Times which will require a few changes (which won't affect law abiding citizens in any way). In case you haven't noticed, there are millions of people throughout the Islamic world who would love to kill us and our way of life, and they're completely willing to give up their own lives to do it. Wake up people! Try to see past the trees so that you can see the forest.
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antiquary
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posted on November 10, 2002 10:59:23 AM new
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
Like the myth of the Phoenix, a glorious new society will arise from the ashes of our democratic institutions. What an exciting time to be alive and witness the glorious rebirth of the Fatherland. Hail, the new Utopia of freedom from freedom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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kraftdinner
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posted on November 10, 2002 11:27:47 AM new
Antiquary!  That reminds me of a job my husband once had. The company needed sales to boost it's quarter earnings so it came up with a plan called "Operation Phoenix". The company went bankrupt within 2 months.
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antiquary
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posted on November 10, 2002 11:53:09 AM new
LOL, KD.
Did Karl Rove used to work there? 
But it's our duty to acclimate ourselves to the new public dialogue.
LESS IS MORE
Write that 100 times on the chalkboard please.
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Borillar
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posted on November 10, 2002 12:05:19 PM new
>Let's see... Unless you're a criminal or a terrorist, this shouldn't affect you in any way. So what's the problem?
The problem are the extraordinary powers given to this new police agency. It allows them wide lattitude in determining just Who Is and Who Isn't a "terrorist". For instance, some here in the RT - myself included, can easily be considered "terrorists" because we refuse to belive the lies comming from Washington and stand against the unprovoked attack on Iraq. Undeer this new agwncy, that is more than enough reason to break into our computers and look at files, go through our trash, etc. You'll see -- it's not about some foreigners here illegally, it's about keeping Americans terrorized and in control.
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kraftdinner
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posted on November 10, 2002 12:07:25 PM new
You're right. I'm looking at things the wrong way. Yes, the company failed, but the strategy was successful - for 2 months.
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Helenjw
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posted on November 10, 2002 12:18:24 PM new
Hi Kraftdinner!!!
WAR IS PEACE
Helen
I have to go to a football game and I think "AGONY IS FUN" should be added to our new vocabulary.
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antiquary
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posted on November 10, 2002 12:41:47 PM new
Right, KD. It's our duty to destroy ourselves as soon as possible to embrace our brave new freedom from democracy. It'll take a little longer than 2 months, but we'll rush right into it once we get the proper feel for it.
Of course, you're wrong too, Borillar. Had the Founding Fathers been smart enough to realize that the only danger to our government was from without, the whole Constitution would have been different. And the Bill of Rights! How silly all that was. They were probably addicted to conspiracy theories. We all know now that our government leaders have never, nor would ever, even dream of abusing power. Why we have to practically beg them to assume more power and operate in secret without the tiresome old checks and balances that are boring and continually slowing down our safety and progress. Now that I think about it clearly, it's a miracle that we've survived this long. Thank God we're now correcting all that.
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Reamond
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posted on November 10, 2002 01:16:34 PM new
The right of privacy has nothing to do with criminal acts.
There are many aspects of one's life, which for whatever reason, law abiding citizens wish to remain private.
While it is perfectly legal for me to have sex, I choose to do it privately. If there were rapes being committed, I woul;d still demand that my sexual activities remain private.
What I read should be my choice whether it remains private. Judge Bork of all people is an example of how airing what you bring from the library or video store should remain private.
Putting everyone's privacy at risk in order to catch terrorists or criminals has never been acceptable to a free and open society.
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antiquary
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posted on November 10, 2002 03:04:50 PM new
I'm certainly no expert when it comes to the internet, but I think that expression on the internet may prove to be fairly easy to control.
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profe51
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posted on November 10, 2002 03:19:45 PM new
" Let's see... Unless you're a criminal or a terrorist, this shouldn't affect you in any way. So what's the problem?"
if you're not doing anything wrong, you shouldn't object to the police coming in and searching your house without a warrant, right?
If you want to protect your privacy, you must be a criminal, or at the very least up to no good..thus goes the new paradigm.. We'll see how you feel when they put a keystroke logger on your computer, and you haven't done anything wrong. Of course, with the Homeland Security Act, you'll never know it, unless you know how to find invisible applications running on your machine.....
Paraphrasing Franklin; anyone who is willing to give up freedom for security deserves neither....
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mlecher
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posted on November 11, 2002 07:40:13 AM new
I think mrbusinessman is a hit-and-run troll....which of course labels him as a dissenter and therefore a terrorist using his own standards....
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I live in my own little world, but it is Okay...They know me here.
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mrbusinessman
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posted on November 11, 2002 10:06:21 AM new
No, I'm not a hit and run guy and most certainly not a troll. I'm just too busy making money and enjoying life as an American to waste time responding to all of the lies and distortions spread by the liberals on this board. There are a few posts that pop up from time to time that produce a chuckle and beg for a response however. This thread was one of those few. Common sense speaks for itself as does the lack of it which dominates this board. But thanks for your concern.
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Borillar
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posted on November 11, 2002 10:40:44 AM new
mrbusinessman, your question was answered for you in more than one way so that you could understand it. I don't doubt that it's all a chuckle to you - either you get it or you don't.
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mrbusinessman
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posted on November 11, 2002 10:56:48 AM new
Borrilar:
I understand the posts in this thread very well. I can see that liberals are intent on making the next election easy for the Republican party with this kind of thinking.
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antiquary
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posted on November 11, 2002 11:25:40 AM new
"I understand the posts in this thread very well. I can see that liberals are intent on making the next election easy for the Republican party with this kind of thinking."
Well, if that is indeed the case, then I would think that if you wanted a Republican victory you would praise and encourage the thinking that you see here since that will also guarantee it. Right?
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mrbusinessman
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posted on November 11, 2002 11:40:24 AM new
I would never "praise and encourage" such convoluted thinking. But it does provide a great deal of pleasure just knowing that it exists (as well as the likely result of it in 2004).
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antiquary
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posted on November 11, 2002 11:44:30 AM new
Oh! I see. You didn't really mean what you said. Just sort of an aimless, purposeless trolling. Nothing wrong with that as along as we know that you're not serious. Carry on!
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mrbusinessman
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posted on November 11, 2002 11:45:46 AM new
No trolling here. Just stating an opinion.
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mrbusinessman
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posted on November 11, 2002 11:48:53 AM new
For instance, some here in the RT - myself included, can easily be considered "terrorists" because we refuse to belive the lies comming from Washington and stand against the unprovoked attack on Iraq. Undeer this new agwncy, that is more than enough reason to break into our computers and look at files, go through our trash, etc.
Yes, I agree. But then again the preposterous assertions in this post would quickly preclude a real threat.
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antiquary
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posted on November 11, 2002 11:50:09 AM new
But some of your opinions you mean but others you don't mean. The operative word in attempting to interpret your opinions would hinge on the word mean, I guess.
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mrbusinessman
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posted on November 11, 2002 11:52:18 AM new
I'll make it easy for you. Take all of the opinions given by the liberals on this board, and you can assume thatmine are the opposite.
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antiquary
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posted on November 11, 2002 11:57:40 AM new
So if someone on the board that you assume to be a liberal would encourage preserving freedom of speech, your opinion would automatically be the opposite?
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mrbusinessman
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posted on November 11, 2002 12:01:06 PM new
No true liberal wants true freedom of speech. A true liberal wants the freedom to give his/her speech. For liberals, "freedom of speech" is an empty vessel used to further their own agenda and nothing else.
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antiquary
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posted on November 11, 2002 12:15:49 PM new
Oh, I see. Freedom of speech is not a concept, but simply a matter of whether or not you agree with what's being said in any given instance. The fact that you simply don't like something makes it liberal and therefore bad.
This provides a whole new avenue to thought for me. Whatever in life I dislike is really liberal. That would truly be the root of all evil in life.
You really are too funny!
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mrbusinessman
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posted on November 11, 2002 12:54:01 PM new
No, freedom of speech is exactly that. Freedom to say whatever is on your mind short of sedition or treason. The liberals have perverted the concept of freedom of speech and have tried to use it to their advantage while denying it to conservatives (mostly through the liberally slanted media). This is not true freedom of speech.
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antiquary
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posted on November 11, 2002 01:16:04 PM new
It may be that you've become completely delusional, but I still believe your self-assumed omnipotence is a mocking parody of the fascist right. In any event I find it reassuring if not simply dark humor. If the fanatical right and the party that it presently dominates assumes the strategy that you're using, it really will destroy itself.
So whether your message is humor or hope, I rather enjoy it.
added a compound word
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Borillar
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posted on November 11, 2002 01:17:08 PM new
mrbusinesman, I wonder what part it is that you don't get? When this adminstration comes out with the Patriot Act, which over rules our United States Constituional Rights, is this not clear to you? Yes or no.
And when our government comes out and states that this violation of our civil rights will only be for the duration of the War, tell me, does that make you feel safer?
And finally, when this Adminstration has stated on so many occasions that this is a War that will never end, what is the problem that you have in adding all of these pieces together? I'm at a loss to figure this out.
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mrbusinessman
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posted on November 11, 2002 01:20:23 PM new
I'm at a loss to figure this out.
Yes, I can tell. Exactly which part of the Constitution will the Patriot Act violate?
And please feel free to tell us exactly when the war on terror will end.
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