Helenjw
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posted on December 12, 2002 09:36:17 PM new
What do you think about smallpox vaccinations. Since the vaccine is live, it can be spread by touching the area around the injection area.
Smallpox vaccine risky, doctors warn
"Although the federal government is stressing the smallpox vaccine is safe for healthy adults, local experts warned Thursday that unless there is a clear terrorist threat, the risks outweigh the benefits for the general public."
CDC Smallpox
What do you think?
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calamity49
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posted on December 12, 2002 10:18:39 PM new
Helen,
Unless there is something wrong with the vaccine that they aren't telling us I'd just as soon go on and get the vaccination.
My husband and I were talking about this tonight. He was wondering if they were planning on vaccinating small area EMT's in the "first wave" and how he wasn't sure if he would want to be vaccinated. I just asked him if he had been vaccinated when he was young and he said yes. Did he have a reaction? He said no. Case closed. (I hope)
Calamity
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junquemama
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posted on December 12, 2002 10:34:54 PM new
I think "they" are opening Pandoras box.I dont know if this vaccine has mercury in it for longer shelf life,Im guessing it does.The problem is the age of the vaccine and that alone makes it unstable.The vaccine has been sitting 25-30 years.
You cant go by the numbers the Feds kept back then,2 out of a million might die from complications of the shot.No telling how many died and it was signed off as normal death.I feel sorry for the ones who have no say,and will be forced to take the shot.
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gravid
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posted on December 12, 2002 10:49:02 PM new
The politicians should line up on the capital steps and get their vaccination with the same enthusiasum they showed for doing the pledge.
Show the rest of us how safe it is...........
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Borillar
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posted on December 12, 2002 11:13:11 PM new
This is all just a sham!
The problem started when we wiped out smallpox here in America. The pharmaceutical companies were stuck with millions of dollars of inventory that they couldn't unload.
Enter Bush and his appointment to the Presidency.
Bush decided that he could be "friendly" and have the TAXPAYER take the vaccine off of their hands. They thought up a good cover story and said, "Let's give it Emergency Workers -- just in case!" That would use up the stockpiles of the vaccine and that would bail out the pharmaceutical companies and that would kick the paranoia in this country up another notch.
But "Waste Not, Want Not," as the saying goes.
With the public so gullible and swallowing this lie whole, they decided to not only bail out the pharmaceutical companies, they decided to make even more! That's right! With their bogus excuse in place and the Talking Mouthpieces all playing long for public consumption, why not put the pharmaceutical companies back into the Smallpox Vaccine business? Not only would you promote emergency workers to buy a shot of it, the President could just order that all military personnel must get one and they would have to! And then there's the gullible public market. Just because there's no reason for a person to take a shot of it won't stop them from satisfying their rampant paranoia!
But then, there's some really serious risks involved which the government is downplaying. It's not enough that the stuff is so dangerous to people to get the shot just for the hell of it. Bush made a preemptive move and went and made the pharmaceutical companies immune to the lawsuits that would arise from the many permanent injuries and deaths that will occur because of taking this live vaccine. It's immoral, but what's a Republican to do? It's just another business trying to make a buck and Uncle Sam is helping them for once instead of hindering them. Right?
Well, you take your shot if you want to and satisfy your lust to cure your rampant paranoia about "The Enemy" attacking you wherever you are with smallpox. Me, I'll not be led around by the nose. Do you really think that Al-Queda is going to slip some smallpox into your small town's water supply? Get Real!
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Reamond
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posted on December 13, 2002 04:39:45 AM new
The vaccine is actually freshly made. The stock that it was "bred" from was old, which won't make any difference.
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junquemama
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posted on December 13, 2002 09:44:30 AM new
The new stock hasnt gone thru testing,The first to get the vaccine,will be from the old stock.The public will get the diluted batch.
http://www.newscientist.com/news/search/dosearch.jsp?advsearch=Smallpox+Vaccination%3F+++++&searchtype=all&x=21&y=8
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Helenjw
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posted on December 13, 2002 11:28:50 AM new
Bush just announced that he would be vaccinated now, along with the armed forces because he doesn't want them to do anything that he wouldn't do.
What kind of sense does that make?
Maybe he should follow them to Iraq.
Helen
[ edited by Helenjw on Dec 13, 2002 11:30 AM ]
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gravid
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posted on December 13, 2002 01:24:54 PM new
And how will we know it isn't sterile water he is having dabbed on?
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Helenjw
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posted on December 13, 2002 03:26:29 PM new
Now that's believable!
An innoculation of Perrier!
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Borillar
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posted on December 13, 2002 03:48:36 PM new
I, too, suspect somthing fishy about Bush taking the shot, since there is no guarantee that it won't cripple him or kill him. You just don't do stupid things like that with the President of the United States of America -- it's just too risky! That's why I suspect something extremely bogus about the whole thing. I mean, who would believe it?
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profe51
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posted on December 13, 2002 05:13:30 PM new
they'll test it on the military first like they always do...I'm sure it'll be fine by the time we get any of it!
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Borillar
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posted on December 13, 2002 06:50:25 PM new
>I'm sure it'll be fine by the time we get any of it!
Do you want any?
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profe51
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posted on December 13, 2002 10:49:16 PM new
"Do you want any?"
I don't know for sure. We live in an isolated area, probably not at great risk...I would consider it strongly if we were to be close to an outbreak. 14-52 deaths out of 1,000,000 seems like pretty good odds....considering that nationwide 115 people a day die in car accidents, but we still drive our cars and trucks every day... I guess before taking it I would look at the figures regarding other vaccinations and see how the figures compare. My son has had all his shots except for chicken pox..we let him go through that on his own...mostly because we knew several people who vaccinated their kids for chicken pox and they got it anyway...didn't seem to be much point.
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Borillar
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posted on December 13, 2002 10:51:39 PM new
>14-52 deaths out of 1,000,000 seems like pretty good odds
That's not 14-52 deaths. That's 14-52 pointless deaths.
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kraftdinner
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posted on December 13, 2002 11:10:00 PM new
Bush said that military and hospital staff will be recieving the vaccine but he's not recommending it to the general public. I don't understand that statement, do you?
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junquemama
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posted on December 14, 2002 01:02:44 AM new
More info on who is at risk..
http://www.msnbc.com/news/819847.asp?vts=121420020030
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gravid
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posted on December 14, 2002 03:59:04 AM new
If you recommend someting you assume some liability. Better later in court to be able to say you did not promote something. Today in the US everything is filtered through the view of legal consequences.
If there is a terrorist release I don't think the vaccine will help because it will probably be a weaponized strain that will not be stopped by the vaccine for the natural strain. It spreads so easy if somebody wants to it can be in all the major cities simultaniously.
If there is just a small outbreak that can be contained I will suspect the government is releasing it themselves as an excuse to impose travel restrictions and martial law. Especially if the election is getting close and the polls don't look great.
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Reamond
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posted on December 14, 2002 05:30:27 AM new
As long as we're on Small Pox conspiracies- think about this........
If the West's population gets vaccinated, wouldn't it be interesting if Small Pox showed up and spread through countries like Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, N Korea, the West bank and Gaza, Egypt, Syria, et al ? Blame it all on the terrorists.
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snowyegret
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posted on December 14, 2002 05:43:45 AM new
I find it unusual that the government has protected the makers from liability. After reading about the how anthrax vaccine production facility in Michigan repeatedly failed inspections, and the shoddy recordkeeping and testing that was done, I am more skeptical about rushing these things into production.
Another point is this vaccine is contraindicated for a significant percentage of the population.
Bush more than likely had the smallpox vaccine as a child.
You have the right to an informed opinion
-Harlan Ellison
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Helenjw
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posted on December 14, 2002 07:43:47 AM new
Terrorists don't attack in an expected manner.
I agree with Borillar, It's a "kick up the paranoia, while taking care of the pharmaceutical industry move."
Helen
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drkosmos
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posted on December 14, 2002 08:54:09 AM new
i agree with borillar also, no thanks!
[i]Bush just announced that he would be vaccinated now, along with the armed forces because he doesn't want them to do anything that he wouldn't do.
What kind of sense does that make?
Maybe he should follow them to Iraq.[/i]
He should be at the front line.
[ edited by drkosmos on Dec 14, 2002 08:55 AM ]
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Helenjw
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posted on December 14, 2002 09:43:54 AM new
Right!
If he is going to have a smallpox vaccination to alleviate concern about reactions,
he should also experience front line battle just like the kids being sent to Iraq
to alleviate fears that they may come home in a box.
Helen
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junquemama
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posted on December 14, 2002 10:51:00 AM new
Don't shoot the messenger.
http://www.cancerfacts.com/Home_News.asp?CancerTypeId=4&NewsId=1363
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ferncrestmotel
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posted on December 14, 2002 01:15:38 PM new
Can we test the vaccine on the adult Washington Sniper if he's convicted?
The kid can administer it, since he obviously has no compunction about killing.
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Helenjw
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posted on December 14, 2002 02:54:47 PM new
<quote>
Can we test the vaccine on the adult Washington Sniper if he's convicted?
The kid can administer it, since he obviously has no compunction about killing
<end quote>
No
How do you know that the kid had no compunction about killing? Neither sniper has been tried and we don't know the motives of either the adult or the "kid".
Using convicted felons who may or may not be guilty to test drugs without their consent is unethical.
You may need to read the thread.
Helen
BBL
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ferncrestmotel
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posted on December 14, 2002 03:45:09 PM new
Sorry if I riled you up, Helen.
Are you inferring that there is an acceptable motive for what the snipers (terrorists) did? If so, defend it to me and the families and friends of the innocent people they killed.
I agree that testing drugs, etc. on convicted criminals is unethical, but the terrorists who create the need for smallpox vaccinations in the first place aren't exactly following Amnesty International guidelines when they kill innocent people, are they?
I suspect you don't wake up every day hating others . . . neither do I. But there are entire cultures who despise our society and would like nothing more than to see us all dead.
Don't forget - Americans - we're the good guys. Not a perfect society, but the world's never seen better.
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drkosmos
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posted on December 14, 2002 08:55:36 PM new
yeah, we're the good guys...
[QUOTE]Unconstrained by any superpower rival or system of global governance, the US giant has rewritten the global financial and trading system in its own interest; ripped up a string of treaties it finds inconvenient; sent troops to every corner of the globe; bombed Afghanistan, Sudan, Yugoslavia and Iraq without troubling the United Nations; maintained a string of murderous embargos against recalcitrant regimes; and recklessly thrown its weight behind Israel's 34-year illegal military occupation of the West Bank and Gaza as the Palestinian intifada rages.[/QUOTE]http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0,1300,551086,00.html
Killing people to stop killing people doesn't work.
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krs
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posted on December 14, 2002 09:29:54 PM new
There's a lot of science available...
http://www.vaclib.org/basic/twenty.htm
http://www.uvm.edu/~dhowell/lies4thedition/Classfolder/AIDS_Stuff/061599sci-smallpox.html
http://www.who.int/emc/diseases/smallpox/factsheet.html#Vaccines44444444444444454
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Helenjw
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posted on December 14, 2002 10:19:17 PM new
http://www.uvm.edu/~dhowell/lies4thedition/Classfolder/AIDS_Stuff/061599sci-smallpox.html
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