trai
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posted on May 15, 2003 08:06:15 AM new
This is unreal. How do they get away with this kind of thing when honest travelers or tourists get put through the wringer by the I.N.S. when they come to visit the U.S.A.
So much for border security on the south end.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Southwest/05/15/truck.bodies/index.html
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bear1949
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posted on May 15, 2003 08:28:44 AM new
In an article in the Houston Chronicle (TX) it describes that the illegals came across the border in ones & twos & stayed in a "Safe House".
It is too bad that they died, but the also knew of the dangers.
Ultimate penalty possible in tragic case
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/1910641
Death risk won't halt attempted border crossings
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/1910631
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trai
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posted on May 15, 2003 08:44:59 AM new
Death risk won't halt attempted border crossings
No, but I do not think these people where counting on getting killed. If the I.N.S. does catch them there never is a risk of life or jail time.
I do think that there should be more of a risk of prison time for people that traffic in human cargo.
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bear1949
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posted on May 15, 2003 09:49:19 AM new
Trai....it is also a form of natural selection
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neonmania
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posted on May 15, 2003 10:44:22 AM new
Trai - If you hve ever seen a commercial border crossing you will understand how these trucks occasionally get thru (of course you know that there are also dozens tha don't). Picture 30-50 large riggs loaded to the gills and imagine the task of searching each one individually. It can't be done. Some truck s are searched due to inconsistancies in their manifests, some via profile or on tips but most searches are random and only a few can actually be done given time constraints and traffic.
Also, you should know that driving into the United States and flying in are two very different experiences.
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neonmania
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posted on May 15, 2003 10:46:46 AM new
Bear - do you also consider the two boys in Texas that were killed when their mother beat them in the head with rocks "natural selection" I mean afterall , their younger brother survived and in both cases the deaths were the result of actions were known to possibly cause death.
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bear1949
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posted on May 15, 2003 11:37:25 AM new
Neon....The killing of those 2 boys was not a act of natural selection. They had no choice in the matter, their mother saw to that.
They died due to an act of intentional murder, just like Andrea Yates & Susan Smith who killed their kids.
As to semi's filled with aliens crossing the border, it doesn't happen that way.
All semi's entering Texas from Mexico are driven through a device akin to an x-ray machine. A truck load of illegals would have definately been detected. The only trucks exempted from this procedure are flatbeds & they get a visual inspection.
The illegal alliens found in Victoria TX, all had crossed the border on foot & were at a "safe house" before being loaded into the trailer.
This is a case in which they KNEW the dangers and chose to IGNORE those risks.
Again natural selection at work due to their own stupidity.
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neonmania
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posted on May 15, 2003 02:13:31 PM new
::Neon....The killing of those 2 boys was not a act of natural selection. They had no choice in the matter, their mother saw to that. ::
Naatural selection is not a matter of what is conscious thought - it is "survival of the Fittest" - Now considering that 120 foreign nationals went in and 102 came out - then wouldn't you consider 102 the fitest? And by the same rationale - consideringthat three boys went outside with mom and one survived - doesn't the same rationale apply?
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profe51
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posted on May 15, 2003 03:24:54 PM new
I guess by bear's logic the same could be said of anyone who engages in any activity which poses a serious risk of life. Like driving during rush hour, or smoking, or joining the military...anyone who engages in a potentially life threatening activity is defying Darwinian rules, and has it coming. By
that rationale, the bums who stay home watching Jerry Springer and swigging Milwaukee's Worst, draft dodgers and welfare mothers are more fit than those who would risk the drive to work, or devote their lives to a risky but righteous cause....right. Or maybe the rules of natural selection only apply to those whom bear doesn't like...
If you can't answer a man's argument, all is not lost; you can still call him vile names.
- Elbert Hubbard
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Twelvepole
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posted on May 15, 2003 05:30:42 PM new
18 Criminals died, ship the bodies home along with the rest... if they die in the process do be it.
Of course we did hospitalize some, so Neon how about you and Profe going over and paying those bills?
Just what I thought let the all the tax payers pay...
It is too bad they couldn't of just locked the doors until the rest died...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND... 
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davebraun
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posted on May 15, 2003 05:57:08 PM new
Had 120 Americans been placed in a similar container how many would die? Of those who survived would they be the strong. Would those who perished be weak and therefore undeserving of life? Ever heard of the Bataan death march. Were the unfit being culled out in that instance?
Does committing a criminal act relinquish ones right to life, how serious an act must it be. A parking violation, a simple misdemeanor or must it be a felony. When I checked last illegal entry in the United States was not listed as a capital crime.
Personal Note to Twelvepole: Have you been so abused by those you have met in this life that you need to celebrate the misfortune of others. It's a sad commentary that you seem to revel in the premature death of others for whatever reason. You have my pity.
[ edited by davebraun on May 15, 2003 05:58 PM ]
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Twelvepole
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posted on May 15, 2003 06:23:59 PM new
You can shove your pity up your....
I have no compassion or sympathy for criminals, if death is what it takes to get them to stop coming here illegally then that is great.
It is too bad people like you don't know the difference between right and wrong... perfect example of poor parenting...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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austbounty
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posted on May 15, 2003 08:34:54 PM new
Yes 12pole
It is too bad people like you don't know the difference between right and wrong... perfect example of poor parenting.
12pole & bear, founding members of the RT-Lynch-mob.
'''string'em up, it'll teach'em a lesson'''
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davebraun
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posted on May 15, 2003 09:43:25 PM new
I thought evolution had gotten us past the Neanderthal age but it just goes to show.
Just don't see the correlation between basic human rights and citizenship.
And yes I know the difference:
I am right.
You are wrong.
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Twelvepole
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posted on May 15, 2003 10:11:26 PM new
Keep telling yourself that Dave, if makes you feel better about yourself...
Someday you maybe able to tell the differencee between criminals and non criminals... what a pity you can't right now
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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davebraun
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posted on May 15, 2003 10:17:45 PM new
I feel fine and I know the difference between criminals and non-criminals as well as violent crime and victimless crimes.
In a perfect world (yours) I suppose I would be forcibly re-educated and if that failed euthinized to improve the genetic pool.
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Twelvepole
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posted on May 16, 2003 05:50:11 AM new
No Dave I live in this World, not some utopian society you seem to think we should be running, so other countries can keep sending us their people because they lack the ability to govern themselves.
And now Mexico is once again asking President Bush to establish work visas, so "this doesn't happen again"... now which country is trying to influence who?
I hope President Bush will "Just say No!"
and tells Fox better you start keeping your people at home...or an Al Queda link maybe found.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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hibbertst
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posted on May 16, 2003 07:29:17 AM new
"Border relations between Canada and Mexico have never been better."
-G. W. Bush
Twelvepole has had his head (among other things) stuck in his sigmoid flexure for so long he can see but one color. He couldn't find an albino at the Apollo.
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reamond
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posted on May 16, 2003 07:41:59 AM new
Due to our aging demographics and 0 population birth growth, the US will need Latino immigration. The latino immigration will be what saves Social Security. Europe is facing the same problem.
The question is whether it will be an orderly and legal immigration or what we presently have.
If we can not control the influx, we can not control the strife and assimilation problems.
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bear1949
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posted on May 16, 2003 08:29:51 AM new
Call it survival of the fittest or natural selection, it's all the same.
In this case again, these 100 people knew their chances unlike the 2 kids that died by their mothers hand.
Those that died in Victoria TX deserve to be nominated for the Darwin awards.
http://darwinawards.com/
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davebraun
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posted on May 16, 2003 09:43:40 AM new
Congratulations Twelve & Bear you have been selected as the 2003 co-recipients of the E.O.F. Award among all the eligible reactionaries you have distinguished yourselves.
The Enemies OF Freedom Award is given occasionally to those who exhibit views and behavior in support of xenophobia, racism and patriotic saber rattling in an attempt to mask their fear, insecurity and inadequacy.
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neonmania
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posted on May 16, 2003 10:08:25 AM new
::The question is whether it will be an orderly and legal immigration or what we presently have.::
That is up to us. If we would revisit the forgotten issues we were dealing with prior to 9/11 like increases in temporary work visas there would be less need for illegal immigration.
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davebraun
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posted on May 16, 2003 11:54:33 AM new
It should be mentioned that the need for illegal immigration is essentially the need of agribusiness, the culinary, domestic and construction trades of an exploitable work force. Legalizing these workers will cost considerably as they will no longer be able to be paid substandard wages and offered no tangible benefits.
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REAMOND
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posted on May 16, 2003 04:29:26 PM new
The Enemies OF Freedom Award is given occasionally to those who exhibit views and behavior in support of xenophobia, racism and patriotic saber rattling in an attempt to mask their fear, insecurity and inadequacy
So Freedom only applies to people who think like you ? If someone insists that people enter their country legally, they are Enemies of Freedom ? Freedom also includes the freedom to be Zenophobic, a racist, and a patriot, with or without the rattling.
Insisting that laws be obeyed has nothing to do with fear, insecurity or inadequacy, and everything to do with preserving a nation and a society.
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neonmania
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posted on May 16, 2003 05:36:39 PM new
Reamond - there is a difference between preferring that those that enter the country do so llegally and express regret that those that enter the country illegally do not all die in the process.
It is too bad they couldn't of just locked the doors until the rest died..
[ edited by neonmania on May 16, 2003 05:37 PM ]
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profe51
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posted on May 16, 2003 06:00:26 PM new
Congratulations Twelve & Bear you have been selected as the 2003 co-recipients of the E.O.F. Award among all the eligible reactionaries you have distinguished yourselves.
now you've done it...you've snubbed Colin, boy is he gonna be pi$$ed
Trying to discuss immigration or anything having to do with any "foreign" culture with these people is an exercise in exasperation. I'll sit back and watch the fur fly... Little Dutch Boys all....
If you can't answer a man's argument, all is not lost; you can still call him vile names.
- Elbert Hubbard
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Twelvepole
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posted on May 16, 2003 06:01:07 PM new
Reamond why bother, these are the same people that would give away our contry in a NY minute just to keep from confrontation...
That is right Neon, they all should of died, unless of course you are going to foot the bill for those hospital stays....
I for one don't mind paying to have the bodies shipped across the border, cheaper than a hospital.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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bear1949
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posted on May 16, 2003 07:03:46 PM new
Twelvepole,
What say you and I start a movement to plant land mines along the US side of the border. Those that survive their illegal crossing of the Rio Grande & the mine fields will be welcomed with open arms. To those that don't survive, we send a bill to the relatives for the replacement cost of the mines.
I know a few dozen people who would volunteer with planting the mines & I can promote the idea at all the gun shows I attend.
All the farmers & ranchers in South Texas would gladly join in, after all they only have fences cut by the mojados allowing their cattle to stray, have their homes broken into & crops destroyed.
[ edited by bear1949 on May 16, 2003 07:09 PM ]
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neonmania
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posted on May 16, 2003 07:32:43 PM new
Save the impoversished Iraqis.. Kill the Mexicans! BTW - who are is going to fund the land mines at the Candian border or is it just Latino illegals you want dead? Asian, Canadian and European illegals get the right to live? I guess you are choosing to ignore that it was the Canadian borders that the 9/11 terrorists used. Security be damned though - the real goal is just to kill the Latinos right?
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bear1949
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posted on May 16, 2003 08:09:10 PM new
Didn't know the Canadian border extended all the way down to Texas. Also haven't heard of a problem with Illegal Canadian immigrants entering the US.
Kill all the Latinos? Nah....If they stay on their side of the border, there isn't a problem.
If they want to enter the US, do so LEGALLY
Its getting REALLY EASY to Pizz off some of you BLEADING HEART LIBERALS.
Why don't you just move down to S Texas and open your own reception center for them. Call it Bleading Heart Liberals are PRO Illegal Immigrants.
Then YOU can foot the bills for their health care.
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