posted on May 30, 2003 09:54:35 PM new
My good friend Jane has rheumatoid arthritis and is in so much pain, it makes me sick. Her knee is swollen to the size of a basketball and her knuckles are swollen. She takes methotrexate, but it doesn't do much. If any of you have it, or know of someone who does, what do you do for the pain and swelling? Thanks!
posted on May 31, 2003 12:39:50 AM new
My brother has Anklosing Spondilitis. For years it was mis-diagnosed. I hope she has a regular doctor AND a rheumatologist. The major drug is inducin but it is hard on the stomach. There are many others (billions are spent on arthritis drugs). Some people respond to different drugs and combinations. A rheumatolgist tries to find the right "cocktail" that works for you.
My brother takes Inducin and methotrexate (a chemotherapy drug that has been shown very effective against arthritis in many people). It is vital to follow the exercise program the doctor sets up. The joint inflamation causes decreased mobility of the joint and exercise is important in maintaining as much movement as possible.
The disease can abate at times and then flare back up. My brother has been temp. blinded several times from irisitis (arthritis attacks the iris of the eye). The swelling of the big toe joint caused the toe to cant inward hitting the other toes. Bone infections in the small toes required removing the bones from several toes.
He had deterioration in his hip sockets. One was much worse than the other. He was on huge doses of Inducin and methotrexate. Finally one hip was so bad, he couldn't function, even on the drugs. He had the hip replaced and the arthritis abated dramatically. When the body has a massive inflammation the disease goes crazy, remove it and many times the disease decreases its' attacks tremendously. He's on 1/3 his previous level of drugs now, gardens, and is active. Before it was all he could do to go to work and drag himself home.
posted on May 31, 2003 04:28:48 AM new
Krafty,Tell her to get off diet drinks first thing,then start weeding out milk products.
For joint pain Blue Stuff,instant relief.
If she can get off refined sugar and flower,it may slow the process as well.
posted on May 31, 2003 05:40:24 AM new
junquemama is definately right about the diet soda and the milk. Diet soda contains aspartame - nasty stuff. In 1994, a report was released that listed 92 symptoms associated with aspartame ingestion and said that aspartame accounted for 75 percent of all adverse reactions reported to the Adverse Reaction Monitoring System.
Some of the 92 long-term and immediate adverse effects of aspartame ingestion are:
Abdominal Pain- Anxiety attacks - Arthritis - Asthma - Asthmatic Reactions - Bloating, Edema (Fluid Retention) - Blood Sugar Control Problems (Hypoglycemia or Hyperglycemia) - Brain Cancer (Pre-approval studies in animals) - Breathing difficulties - Burning eyes or throat - Burning Urination - Can't think straight - Chest Pains - Chronic cough - Chronic Fatigue - Confusion - Death - Depression - Diarrhea - Dizziness -Excessive Thirst or Hunger - Fatigue - Feel unreal - Flushing of face -Hair Loss (Baldness) or Thinning of Hair - Headaches/Migraines dizziness - Hearing Loss - Heart palpitations - Hives (Urticaria) - Hypertension (High Blood Pressure) - Impotency and Sexual Problems - Inability to concentrate - Infection Susceptibility - Insomnia - Irritability - Itching - Joint Pains - Laryngitis - "Like thinking in a fog" - Marked Personality Changes - Memory loss - Menstrual Problems or Changes - Migraines and Severe Headaches (Trigger or Cause From Chronic Intake) - Muscle spasms - Nausea or Vomiting - Numbness or Tingling of Extremities - Other Allergic-Like Reactions - Panic Attacks - Phobias - Poor memory - Rapid Heart Beat - Rashes - Seizures and Convulsions - Slurring of Speech - Swallowing Pain - Tachycardia - Tremors - Tinnitus - Vertigo - Vision Loss - Weight gain
In addition, aspartame can mimic symptoms or worsen the following diseases: Fibromyalgia – Arthritis - Multiple Sclerosis (MS) - Parkinson's Disease - Lupus - Multiple Chemical Sensitivities (MCS) - Diabetes and Diabetic Complications - Epilepsy - Alzheimer's Disease - Birth Defects - Chronic Fatigue Syndrome - Lymphoma - Lyme Disease - Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD) - Panic Disorder - Depression and other Psychological Disorders
I was suffering from heart palpitations until I quit drinking the stuff. My daughter who suffers from depression also found that her depression worsened even with medication.
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posted on May 31, 2003 08:41:42 AM new
hot chili pepper contains substance which numb the sensation ,it does not cure arthritis ,just suppress the pain .
posted on May 31, 2003 09:34:05 AM new
Cheryl,I am so glad you are on to the evils of diet drinks.When I try to tell people about them,....they want to fight.
You lose the cravings and you arent as thirsty.Sisters sugar was 48 this morning,..after breakfast 77,I am so proud of her for getting off the diet junk...I have no doubt,all that krap was killing her.
posted on May 31, 2003 10:56:00 AM new
Thanks for your interesting posts... I've always wondered about milk. Joan is hooked on milk and has been drinking tons of it since I've known her. Because of the crap they inject into cows , I've often wondered if it's affected her immune system. It's funny, because she tells me if she doesn't eat anything, she gets very little pain and swelling for the day. You guys could be onto something. (I love her dearly and would hate to see anything happen to her.) Thanks!!
DeSquirrel, I feel very bad for your brother and the pain he must've gone through. I'd like to scream at the medical research field and ask them why, with the trillions that have been poured into research in the past 100 years, can't they cure anything??? (But that's another heated issue.)
junque & Cheryl, I'm doomed!! I've been drinking Diet Sprite since it first came out and have been guzzling it daily (2 litres). I also take high doses of Vit. C, so maybe that cancels out the aspartame, or something. (??) At least I'll have an excuse if I suffer from any of the symptoms you mention Cheryl! Anyone else here "addicted" to diet pop?
P.S. junque, I thought I read that you have a sick family member but I can't find the thread now. Are you OK?
So, if you are eating or taking any of these, you are really getting more than your share of aspartame. I buy all my vitamins from a local health food store and make sure they are 100% natural with no sugars added. Your multivitamins contain sugar. Children's are the worse. Those new Listerine Mints? Loaded!
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posted on May 31, 2003 12:59:55 PM new
Like Kraftdinner, I drink diet cokes or pepsi and I don't have the symptoms that you suggest. Another view about the sweetner can be found here I usually drink the caffein free drinks though.
In addition to FDA, aspartame has been reviewed and determined to be safe by the Joint Expert Committee on Food Additives (JECFA) of the Food and Agriculture Organization/World Health Organization, the Scientific Committee on Food of the European Union, and the regulatory bodies of over 100 countries.
The American Medical Association's Council on Scientific Affairs, the American Diabetes Association, and the American Dietetic Association have reviewed research on aspartame and found it to be safe. Links to numerous other health organizations, which have confirmed the safety of aspartame, can be found at www.aspartame.org.
posted on May 31, 2003 01:08:24 PM new
Krafty,Thankyou for asking,My sister #2 of the four,(#3 died in 2001) just had a colon cancer operation.
She has to do Chemo to get the rest,and I was upset because she would have had to have another procedure, to put a chemo line in her body(close to the heart)and I knew she was still so weak.
The lucky part is, a cist on her back popped and the Dr.s will not give Chemo to anyone with any kind of infection.So now her body has a little bit of time to gain some strength, before the onslaught of chemo.
Hopefully I can get her, to drink some ETea to help with the cancer battle,when she feels up to it.
posted on May 31, 2003 01:40:34 PM new
I must have missed them, junquemama
I just can't believe that so many side effects can be caused by aspartame...especially since I don't have any of them after using the sweetner for 10 years. On the other hand, I can believe that caffeine can exacerbate some of the problems that were mentioned such as heart palpitations etc.
I am reading your links with a lot of scepticism. LOL!
posted on May 31, 2003 01:44:46 PM new
Okey-Dokey,....there is another one I need to find for you.It was the first web site that got my attention on aspartame.
posted on May 31, 2003 01:54:18 PM new
The site I wanted,I can't get into right now.
Using MNS search for "aspartame side effects",I was able to pull up 7,800 sites.
posted on May 31, 2003 03:12:48 PM new
The sources that you linked are randomly stating side effects without any scientific basis. In some cases they state, after this, therefore this kind of logic (post hoc ergo propter hoc) What we should control is real sugar because it contributes to obesity, uncontrolled diabetes, tooth decay and a number of other problems.
“Don’t believe the rumors – widely spread on the Internet – that aspartame … causes not only multiple sclerosis, but also lupus, Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s disease, diabetes, Gulf War syndrome, and brain tumors. ”
-University of California, Berkeley Wellness Letter, April 1999
posted on May 31, 2003 03:13:15 PM new
Ah geez {{{junque}}} What a good soul you are to help your sister through this junk. When my dad had cancer, I felt like I had it too. It's a depressing disease. When he was sick & skinny, I'd buy him boxes of Reese's peanut butter cups and he slowly started gaining weight. Did your other sister die from cancer as well? (If this is too depressing to talk about, I'll understand.)
posted on May 31, 2003 04:30:29 PM new
Krafty,No problem,I can talk about #3 sisters death.Molly had some blocked arteries
and on 9/11/01..(WTC NY)
Veins were removed from one leg and used for replacements on her heart.
She was able to talk to us by phone early 9/13..sister#4 was with her, at the hospital,and a friend.They left at 6pm to run an errand,(Molly was fine and sleeping)an hour later Molly had expired.
Krafty,family has to take care of family,I wouldnt have it any other way...
posted on May 31, 2003 05:37:07 PM new
That must've been a total shock for your family junque. I'm truly sorry for your loss, but I know your sister is in good hands. I can see why diet is so important to you now. Thanks for telling me.
So, on the sugar thing, are you trying to tell me those 50 bags of Heath Bites I've devoured since last weekend, are bad for me????
posted on May 31, 2003 06:40:53 PM new
ijust came back from the supermarket,
just curious i decided to look around and see how many slim women can i find??
so i looked around and saw just 2-it was crowded at checkout lines.
asian women used to be slim,not anymore!
posted on May 31, 2003 09:31:49 PM new
I have a relative, a doctor, whose nurse could barely walk she was in such pain.
He was a GP whose wife read Prevention magazine, before it became a drug/advertising medium. She mentioned sugar as depressing the immune system and causing health problems.
He had the nurse go off all sugars and I remember how surprised he was. Doctors never had nutrition training and didn't understand that food (or what people call food) can cause problems. She apparently did well after
going off it. They were out-of-state so I
never saw her.
posted on June 1, 2003 09:42:08 PM new
A couple years ago I read an anti-aspartame site and even though I know different people can have different sensitivities the scope of the possible bad reactions made it sound like a major nut-case site.
However one symptom was so very specific it bothered me. A woman complained of a headache behind the right ear every morning following diet pop the day before. I was having just such a sharp headache until about 10 every morning when I got up and nothing in the way of pain medication helped. I stopped drinking diet pop and the headaches were gone. About a month later I woke up with the same headache and complained to my wife. She went through the waste basket and found a baked goods label from the day before that said there was aspartane in the cake we had bought.
Watch out. They put the damn stuff in everything anymore.
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posted on June 2, 2003 11:48:40 AM new
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I have always had my doubts about asperatame. I think there's definitely enough evidence to worry about its potential impacts on health. And the evidence is that the people who use it don't seem to be any less overweight than the people who don't.
My youngest sister, who's been diet-obsessed all her life - to the point where a week after giving birth to her first daughter she was back in her size 6 jeans - was diagnosed two years ago with MS. The first thing her neurologist forced her to do was abandon all use of aspartame, which he said might be exacerbating her condition. Nine months after her diagnosis, they did a follow-up MRI. The supposedly permanent lesions in her brain had gotten smaller.
The doctor was very clear that he didn't think the aspartame caused the MS. But he did believe that the use of it in people who did have the disease could make things appear worse than they were, and possibly speed the progress of it.
kraftdinner and desquirrel Sympathies on your friend's and brother's illness. My favorite aunt had RA and it was horrible to watch her go through the pain ... but it never vanquished her spirit. There are so many treatments now that weren't available just five or 10 years ago.
posted on June 2, 2003 02:31:54 PM new
junque, are you trying to tell us something??
Thanks msincognito, for your your thoughts! Although I usually agree with you, I don't think there has been much in the way of progress in the arthritis field. All the new drugs such as Celebrex are nothing but super asprins - same thing that they used 50 years ago. The only advances I know of, with ANY medical condition, are either diagnostic or pharmaceutical. Actually curing a disease would be a big waste of money to those 2 industries. It's shameful!
posted on June 2, 2003 03:24:40 PM new
I don't use diet coke or pepsi to control or lose weight. I use them because they contain no sugar and this prevents blood glucose elevation. I see a lot of comments here and on the sites mentioned about the adverse effects of aspartame but there is no evidence anywhere to support these claims. Of the two sites first mentioned, one is in the business of selling magazines, books and videos -- the other, a political agenda.
Anyone else here "addicted" to diet pop?
What a good soul you are to help your sister through this junk. When my dad had cancer, I felt like I had it too. It's a depressing disease. When he was sick & skinny, I'd buy him boxes of Reese's peanut butter cups and he slowly started gaining weight. 