posted on July 14, 2003 05:33:22 PM new
I'm spreading the word. What better place to do it! Please take the time to read this if you think an investigation into the Bush administration's actions are less than honorable. Otherwise, feel free to ignore this post. If you are a MoveOn member, you've probably already gotten this email. I think we actually have a chance at pulling this off!
Cheryl
Help us reach 650 signers on the petition to Congressman Kucinich by Wednesday. (We're at 505 now.) Invite your friends and family to join the campaign by clicking below to send them an email.
Spread the Word
Dear MoveOn member,
It's exciting: the campaign to get to the bottom of the Bush administration's distortion of evidence on Iraq is really taking off. Over 330,000 of us have signed the petition asking Congress to investigate -- already one of our largest petitions ever. We'll be delivering another batch of comments to the House of Representatives on Wednesday, and we know many House staff are excited and moved by what MoveOn members have sent thus far. And since we launched this campaign on Thursday, 11 Representatives have become co-sponsors of legislation for an investigation.
If we work together, we can hit 350,000 signers by Wednesday, and really impress Congress. But we'll need your help. 505 people have already signed the petition to Congressman Kucinich. Our goal is to hit 650; we can do it if everyone who signed brings in a few more people. Please take a moment to forward the message below to your friends, and urge them to sign on now at:
On Thursday, we also launched a new hard-hitting "Misleader" TV ad which asks whether the president misused intelligence to make the case for war. The ad says, "George Bush told us Iraq was a nuclear threat. He said they were trying to purchase uranium. That they were rebuilding their nuclear facilities. So we went to war. Now, there’s evidence we were misled. And almost every day, Americans are dying in Iraq. We need the truth, not a cover-up. Log on to misleader.org today."
Since Thursday, the ad has appeared (for free) on the news programs of CBS, NBC, CNN, Fox, PBS, and NPR, and was covered on the Washington Post on Friday. You can check it out at:
Please take a moment to ask your friends and family to join the call. Just forward the message below. (Please only reach out to folks who you know personally and who want to hear from you on this -- Spam hurts the campaign.) Together, we can make sure that the truth on Iraq is told.
Sincerely,
--Eli Pariser
MoveOn.org
July 14th, 2003
Here's the message to send to your friends:
Subject: WMDs: Help us reach 650 signers by Weds.
Dear friend,
The President took the nation to war based on his assertion that Iraq posed an imminent threat to our country. Now the evidence that backed that assertion is falling apart.
I've joined over 330,000 other people in calling on Congress to investigate at MoveOn.org. 505 other people from our Congressional district have already signed, but we're shooting for 650. Please take a moment to help us get there by signing on at:
If the Bush administration distorted intelligence or knowingly used false data to support the call to war, it would be an unprecedented deception. Even if weapons are now found, it'll be difficult to justify pre-war language that indicated that the exact location of the weapons was known and that they were ready to deploy at a moment's notice. With a crisis of credibility brewing abroad and the integrity of our President and our foreign policy on the line, we need answers now.
Please ask your Representative to pledge his or her support for an open investigation at:
A President may make no more important decision than whether or not to take a country to war. If Bush and his officials deceived the American public to create support for the Iraq war, they need to be held accountable.
posted on July 14, 2003 07:36:26 PM new
I was wondering. If there was a vast right wing conspiracy that tricked us into going to war against Iraq, why didn't they just plant the evidence? It shouldn't be too difficult for a vast right wing conspiracy.
posted on July 14, 2003 07:54:17 PM new
e.a.g.
If they did ‘plant’ evidence and you found out, would it make any difference to you, I think not.
Problem is; to ‘plant’ evidence, they need to involve more than 1 or 2 people in the ‘operation’ and they risk being caught out, ask Poindexter & North.
How much more do you want them to ‘plant’, hell… they even gave Sadam WOMDS.
posted on July 14, 2003 07:58:34 PM new
Ho Hum. so boring...
Curiously, while Democrats rush to plead Saddam's innocence, the British are standing by what CNN calls " 'reliable intelligence'
which had not been shared with the United States" and which, according to the British, indicates that Saddam did indeed try to
purchase uranium from Niger. Why'd the Brits keep it to themselves? The Daily Telegraph says the French intelligence service
"is believed" to have refused to allow Britain's MI6 to share the information with the U.S.:
US intelligence sources believe that the most likely source of the MI6 intelligence was the French secret service, the DGSE. Niger is a former French colony and its uranium mines are run by a French company that comes under the control of the French Atomic Energy Commission.
US sources also point out that the French government was vehemently opposed to the war with Iraq and so suggest that it would have been instinctively against the idea of passing on the intelligence.
Not that it matters to all of you lefties.
Another thought, isn't "MoveOn" the name of the song from "The Jeffersons"...with George & Weezey Jefferson.
Moving on up to the east side
To a deluxe apartment in the sky.
[ edited by bear1949 on Jul 14, 2003 08:09 PM ]
posted on July 15, 2003 04:20:53 AM new
twelvepole and bear1949
Why are you so afraid of the truth? If so innocent, why are they fighting this so hard? Wouldn't you want to prove once and for all that you didn't do anything wrong? By fighting an investigation that look guiltier than ever.
As for Kucinich
"It's been a long while since progressives and the Democratic base have been so motivated, and so angry -- over manipulation and deceit that began in the 2000 election and continued through the Iraq war (now finally catching up with the Bush team). No candidate can better tap into and mobilize the anger of the Democratic base than Kucinich, who has never wavered in his opposition, who has courageously led the way in exposing war manipulation, and who speaks with passion to the big issues that animate Democratic and progressive activists..."
"Day after day, members of the laborers, electricians, plumbers, and steelworkers unions crowd into Kucinich's tiny office on Lorain Avenue, piling signs into the backs of cars and pickups before hitting the neighborhoods."
"Kucinich is a winner because he builds Wellstone-like grassroots campaigns against bigger-spending opponents. He is a winner because of his blue collar roots and populism, reflected in his battles for heartland voters against unfair, corporate-friendly trade deals."
posted on July 15, 2003 04:24:05 AM new
More than a year ago, Congressman Dennis Kucinich of Ohio stood up before the Southern California ADA and boldly challenged the War Party. His speech was entitled "A Prayer for America".
A Prayer for America
Dennis Kucinich
"My country 'tis of thee. Sweet land of liberty of thee I sing. . . .
From every mountain side, let freedom ring. . . . Long may our land be bright. With freedom's holy light. . . ."
" Oh say does that star spangled banner yet wave. O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?"
"America, America, God shed grace on thee. And crown thy good with brotherhood from sea to shining sea. . . . "
I offer these brief remarks today as a prayer for our country, with love of democracy, as a celebration of our country. With love for our country. With hope for our country. With a belief that the light of freedom cannot be extinguished as long as it is inside of us. With a belief that freedom rings resoundingly in a democracy each time we speak freely. With the understanding that freedom stirs the human heart and fear stills it. With the belief that a free people cannot walk in fear and faith at the same time.
With the understanding that there is a deeper truth expressed in the unity of the United States. That implicate in the union of our country is the union of all people. That all people are essentially one. That the world is interconnected not only on the material level of economics, trade, communication, and transportation, but innerconnected through human consciousness, through the human heart, through the heart of the world, through the simply expressed impulse and yearning to be and to breathe free. I offer this prayer for America.
Let us pray that our nation will remember that the unfolding of the promise of democracy in our nation paralleled the striving for civil rights. That is why we must challenge the rationale of the Patriot Act. We must ask why should America put aside guarantees of constitutional justice?
How can we justify in effect canceling the First Amendment and the right of free speech, the right to peaceably assemble?
How can we justify in effect canceling the Fourth Amendment, probable cause, the prohibitions against unreasonable search and seizure?
How can we justify in effect canceling the Fifth Amendment, nullifying due process, and allowing for indefinite incarceration without a trial?
How can we justify in effect canceling the Sixth Amendment, the right to prompt and public trial?
How can we justify in effect canceling the Eighth Amendment which protects against cruel and unusual punishment?
We cannot justify widespread wiretaps and internet surveillance without judicial supervision, let alone with it. We cannot justify secret searches without a warrant. We cannot justify giving the Attorney General the ability to designate domestic terror groups. We cannot justify giving the FBI total access to any type of data which may exist in any system anywhere such as medical records and financial records.
We cannot justify giving the CIA the ability to target people in this country for intelligence surveillance. We cannot justify a government which takes from the people our right to privacy and then assumes for its own operations a right to total secrecy. The Attorney General recently covered up a statue of Lady Justice showing her bosom as if to underscore there is no danger of justice exposing herself at this time, before this administration.
Let us pray that our nation's leaders will not be overcome with fear. Because today there is great fear in our great Capitol. And this must be understood before we can ask about the shortcomings of Congress in the current environment. The great fear began when we had to evacuate the Capitol on September 11. It continued when we had to leave the Capitol again when a bomb scare occurred as members were pressing the CIA during a secret briefing. It continued when we abandoned Washington when anthrax, possibly from a government lab, arrived in the mail. It continued when the Attorney General declared a nationwide terror alert and then the Administration brought the destructive Patriot Bill to the floor of the House. It continued in the release of the Bin Laden tapes at the same time the President was announcing the withdrawal from the ABM treaty. It remains present in the cordoning off of the Capitol. It is present in the camouflaged armed national guardsmen who greet members of Congress each day we enter the Capitol campus. It is present in the labyrinth of concrete barriers through which we must pass each time we go to vote. The trappings of a state of siege trap us in a state of fear, ill equipped to deal with the Patriot Games, the Mind Games, the War Games of an unelected President and his unelected Vice President.
Let us pray that our country will stop this war. "To promote the common defense" is one of the formational principles of America. Our Congress gave the President the ability to respond to the tragedy of September the Eleventh. We licensed a response to those who helped bring the terror of September the Eleventh. But we the people and our elected representatives must reserve the right to measure the response, to proportion the response, to challenge the response, and to correct the response.
Because we did not authorize the invasion of Iraq.
We did not authorize the invasion of Iran.
We did not authorize the invasion of North Korea.
We did not authorize the bombing of civilians in Afghanistan.
We did not authorize permanent detainees in Guantanamo Bay.
We did not authorize the withdrawal from the Geneva Convention.
We did not authorize military tribunals suspending due process and habeas corpus.
We did not authorize assassination squads.
We did not authorize the resurrection of COINTELPRO.
We did not authorize the repeal of the Bill of Rights.
We did not authorize the revocation of the Constitution.
We did not authorize national identity cards.
We did not authorize the eye of Big Brother to peer from cameras throughout our cities.
We did not authorize an eye for an eye.
Nor did we ask that the blood of innocent people, who perished on September 11, be avenged with the blood of innocent villagers in Afghanistan.
We did not authorize the administration to wage war anytime, anywhere, anyhow it pleases.
We did not authorize war without end.
We did not authorize a permanent war economy.
Yet we are upon the threshold of a permanent war economy. The President has requested a $45.6 billion increase in military spending. All defense-related programs will cost close to $400 billion. Consider that the Department of Defense has never passed an independent audit. Consider that the Inspector General has notified Congress that the Pentagon cannot properly account for $1.2 trillion in transactions. Consider that in recent years the Dept. of Defense could not match $22 billion worth of expenditures to the items it purchased, wrote off, as lost, billions of dollars worth of in-transit inventory and stored nearly $30 billion worth of spare parts it did not need.
Yet the defense budget grows with more money for weapons systems to fight a cold war which ended, weapon systems in search of new enemies to create new wars. This has nothing to do with fighting terror. This has everything to do with fueling a military industrial machine with the treasure of our nation, risking the future of our nation, risking democracy itself with the militarization of thought which follows the militarization of the budget.
Let us pray for our children. Our children deserve a world without end. Not a war without end. Our children deserve a world free of the terror of hunger, free of the terror of poor health care, free of the terror of homelessness, free of the terror of ignorance, free of the terror of hopelessness, free of the terror of policies which are committed to a world view which is not appropriate for the survival of a free people, not appropriate for the survival of democratic values, not appropriate for the survival of our nation, and not appropriate for the survival of the world.
Let us pray that we have the courage and the will as a people and as a nation to shore ourselves up, to reclaim from the ruins of September the Eleventh our democratic traditions. Let us declare our love for democracy. Let us declare our intent for peace. Let us work to make nonviolence an organizing principle in our own society. Let us recommit ourselves to the slow and painstaking work of statecraft, which sees peace, not war as being inevitable. Let us work for a world where someday war becomes archaic.
That is the vision which the proposal to create a Department of Peace envisions. Forty-three members of congress are now cosponsoring the legislation. Let us work for a world where nuclear disarmament is an imperative. That is why we must begin by insisting on the commitments of the ABM treaty. That is why we must be steadfast for nonproliferation.
Let us work for a world where America can lead the way in banning weapons of mass destruction not only from our land and sea and sky but from outer space itself. That is the vision of HR 3616: A universe free of fear. Where we can look up at God's creation in the stars and imagine infinite wisdom, infinite peace, infinite possibilities, not infinite war, because we are taught that the kingdom will come on earth as it is in heaven.
Let us pray that we have the courage to replace the images of death which haunt us, the layers of images of September the Eleventh, faded into images of patriotism, spliced into images of military mobilization, jump cut into images of our secular celebrations of the World Series, New Year's Eve, the Superbowl, the Olympics, the strobic flashes which touch our deepest fears, let us replace those images with the work of human relations, reaching out to people, helping our own citizens here at home, lifting the plight of the poor everywhere. That is the America which has the ability to rally the support of the world. That is the America which stands not in pursuit of an axis of evil, but which is itself at the axis of hope and faith and peace and freedom.
America, America. God shed grace on thee. Crown thy good, America. Not with weapons of mass destruction. Not with invocations of an axis of evil. Not through breaking international treaties. Not through establishing America as king of a unipolar world. Crown thy good America.
America, America. Let us pray for our country. Let us love our country. Let us defend our country not only from the threats without but from the threats within. Crown thy good, America. Crown thy good with brotherhood, and sisterhood. And crown thy good with compassion and restraint and forbearance and a commitment to peace, to democracy, to economic justice here at home and throughout the world. Crown thy good, America. Crown thy good America. Crown thy good.
Thank you.
Cheryl
[ edited by CBlev65252 on Jul 15, 2003 04:25 AM ]
Deficits for at least the next two years will be over one half a trillion per year, including Rumsfeld's estimates of Afghanistan and Iraq war budget of over 60 billion.
As a steady stream of body bags return from Iraq and a credibility crisis emerges as people finally realize that they were betrayed, the reelection of George W. Bush is in serious doubt.
Let us keep that HOPE in mind.
As someone on another board said, "We've got to get that mother out of office!".
posted on July 15, 2003 06:13:42 AM new
I still notice alot of complaining about what is going on in Washington... have yet to see any viable solutions come forth...
How do we tell the now free Iraqi people that our people are afraid to help them any longer and you are now on your own?
Once we get a strong self sufficient government in place, then it will be time to leave, not before.
If you people are not part of the solution and impeachment is not a solution, then you are part of the problem....
I am guessing with all the in-fighting in the democratic party and with Ralph Nader running.... President Bush will get elected again...
STEPHANOPOULOS: There are also questions being raised in Congress. I want to show you something from Ken Conrad, the ranking Democrat on the Senate Budget Committee, and he was talking about these cost estimates, and he said, "It's been 'hide the ball' every step of the way. They consistently understated the cost by a factor of severalfold, and they've done everything they can, not to share information." He doesn't think you've been brutally honest.
RUMSFELD: Well, fair enough. Let me say what the facts are -- "They consistently understate it" -- not true. We have not stated, we have not said, "This is what it is going to cost." When we have been asked, "What's it going to cost?" If we knew, we would dearly love to tell people. In fact, I would overstate, not understate, because I would much rather deliver more than is promised than deliver less than is promised. So instead of stating anything, we have said, "We don't know." And then when we have said something, they said, "Well, what's it costing now?" And we said, "1.9 million [billion]." Then somebody says, "Well, that turns out not to be what it's going to cost a year from now or six months from now," and that's true, but we didn't say that's what it would cost every month. We said that's what the burn rate was for that month and in the Senate hearing recently, I said 3.9 [billion].
STEPHANOPOULOS: Do you expect American troops will have to stay that long in Iraq?
And Rumsfeld loses it.
RUMSFELD: I have no idea. You don't listen. I said I don't know the answers to those questions. The president has said we're going to use as many forces as are necessary for as long as it takes because it is an important thing for this country and the coalition. We've got 19 countries working with us. People are running around and saying, "Why don't you ask this country?" or "Why don't you ask that country?" They've asked 70 or 80 or 90 countries. They've asked the -- the NATO countries were asked last year to participate and assist. There is some large faction of them currently assisting in the country. Is it an important thing to be doing? Yes. Is it tough? You bet. Are more people going to be killed? You bet. Does it cost some money? You bet. Can we tell the world or anybody else precisely what it's going to cost or how long it's going to last? No. Would we love to be able to do so? You bet.
posted on July 15, 2003 08:43:29 AM new
twelvepole
Kucinich had initially planned to attend but told NAACP officials that he wanted to be in Washington for a vote instead.
He is still, afterall, a United States Congreeman for Ohio with Congressional duties. Sorry if his congressional duties take presidence over an NAACP debate.
posted on July 15, 2003 09:53:44 AM new
Lieberman and Gephart did not attend either, nor did either of the Bros. Bush, although they were invited. I'm not sure what any of their attendance at this convention has to do with this thread. I guess it means anyone who wasn't there is a bigot
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What luck for the leaders that men do not think. - Adolph Hitler
This is only a sampling of Civil Rights Legislation in which Dennis Kucinich was influential.
Congressman Kucinich is a cosponsor of a bill that would ban racial profiling by police. It would also require state and local governments to adopt policies to ban racial profiling in order to be eligible for federal law enforcement grants. In addition, grant money would be provided to state and local police departments for officer training to eliminate this practice.
Congressman Kucinich is a cosponsor of legislation that would prohibit the use of "secret evidence" in trials conducted by the Immigration and Naturalization Service. Kucinich believes that the cornerstone of our judicial system is that evidence cannot be used against someone unless he or she has the chance to confront it. Congressman Kucinich strives to ensure the rights of all citizens regardless of race, religion, creed, ethnicity, sexual orientation, disabilities or age.
HR 872 - Civil Rights Procedures Protection Act of 1999: A bill to make arbitration contracts unenforceable unless agreed to after a discrimination claim had arisen. It prevents the involuntary application of arbitration to claims that arise from unlawful employment discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, national origin, age, or disability, and for other purposes.
H.R. 2692- The Employment Non-Discrimination Act of 2001: This bill extends federal employment discrimination protections that are currently provided based on race, religion, gender, national origin, age and disability, to sexual orientation.
H.R. 3081- Hate Crimes Prevention Act: This bill allows federal authorities to be involved in hate crime cases based on gender, sexual orientation and disability in addition to cases based on race, religion, or national origin.
posted on July 15, 2003 11:22:00 AM new
twelvepole
Ok, here is the official answer from Dennis and his staff with regard to your NAACP question. I'm glad he did not attend.
DENNIS AND THE NAACP EVENT
Kucinich supporters have asked why the Congressman didn't attend the NAACP candidates' forum in Miami on Monday afternoon. He couldn't attend because the forum conflicted with his responsibilities as a voting member of Congress, and there were key Medicare votes late yesterday in the House.
When there have not been conflicts with Capitol Hill duties, Dennis has repeatedly attended candidates' forums held by civil rights and equal rights groups, including ones organized by the NAACP and the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition. (The Rainbow forum was on a Sunday.) Dennis has shined at these events, because he is a fighter for civil rights -- as he's shown year after year on Capitol Hill through his leadership role in the Congressional Progressive Caucus. It's Dennis who is leading the fight to abolish the racially-biased death penalty.
Due to conflicts with his Congressional duties, Rep. Kucinich recently had to miss a candidates' forum on the environment in Los Angeles and a "Democracy Rising" rally in Baltimore -- when Dennis stayed in Washington to vote against Medicare privatization, which passed by a single vote. Unlike other presidential candidates, he is a fulltime Congressperson who has not missed a vote so far this session.
Yesterday afternoon, our campaign released this statement to the media:
"Congressman Kucinich has the utmost respect for the NAACP, its leadership, its members and its mission. He regrets his absence from this afternoon's candidates' forum. His duties as a member of the United States House of Representatives required that he be in Washington today for votes. Important votes are scheduled on Medicare prescription
drugs and agriculture spending. Congressman Kucinich strongly believes that it is wrong to campaign across the country on the issue of expanding healthcare coverage and then miss one of the most important healthcare votes in years."
So, 12, does that silence you on that issue???????
Edited to add: Sorry for the spacing errors. I cut and pasted this from my email.
Cheryl
[ edited by CBlev65252 on Jul 15, 2003 11:24 AM ]
posted on July 15, 2003 12:36:36 PM new
12-pole said
Is this the same Ohio Senator that ignored a debate set up by the NAACP?
It was answered 12-pole....
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Kucinich had initially planned to attend but told NAACP officials that he wanted to be in Washington for a vote instead.
He is still, afterall, a United States Congreeman for Ohio with Congressional duties. Sorry if his congressional duties take presidence over an NAACP debate.
Does that answer your question?
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AND 12-pole.........
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nor did either of the Bros. Bush, although they were invited. I'm not sure what any of their attendance at this convention has to do with this thread
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I guess you'll crawl back under your rock now since you have been one-upped...AS USUAL.
You are really a nothing aren't you? You neo-con are just going nuts aren't you. Your tactics have gotten old and ineffectual.
posted on July 15, 2003 12:40:40 PM new
Answers my question quite nicely.... He is no better or worse than President Bush... he too was busy in Washington taking care of Business.
posted on July 15, 2003 07:36:59 PM new
Stop the presses, If it truly is an issue of a president lying while in office (as opposed to forwarding bad info), all you lefties need to time warp back a few years & support the impeachment/crucification of your IDOL Clinton.
That was one SOB that would rather lie than tell the truth.
Take a really good look at the FACTS about Clinton.
Administration Records Set
- The only president ever impeached strictly on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most convictions and guilty pleas
- Most Cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most witnesses to die suddenly
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
Historical Context
- Number of independent counsel inquiries since the 1978 law was passed: 19
- Number that have produced indictments: 7
- Number that produced more convictions than the Starr investigation: 1
- Median length of investigations that have led to convictions: 44 months
- Length of Starr-Ray investigation (7/00): 67 months.
- Number of Starr-Ray investigation convictions to date (including one governor, one associate attorney general and two Clinton business partners): 15
- Median cost per Starr investigation conviction: $3.5 million as of 3/00
- Total cost of the Starr investigation (3/00) $52 million
- Total cost of the Iran-Contra investigation: $48.5 million
- Number of Clinton Cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 5
- Number of Reagan cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 4
- Number of top officials jailed in the Teapot Dome Scandal: 3
Crime Stats
- Number of individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes: 47
- Number of these convictions during Clinton's presidency: 33
- Number of indictments/misdemeanor charges: 61
- Number of imprisonments: 14
- Number of congressional witnesses who have pleaded the Fifth Amendment, fled the country to avoid testifying, or (in the case of foreign witnesses) refused to be interviewed: 122 (9/99)
Smaltz Investigation
- Guilty pleas and convictions obtained by Donald Smaltz in cases involving charges of bribery and fraud against former Agriculture Secretary Mike Espy and associated individuals and businesses: 15
- Acquitted or overturned cases (including Espy): 6
- Fines and penalties assessed: $11.5 million
- Cost of investigation: $22.2 million through 9/99
- Amount Tyson Food paid in fines and court costs: $6 million
- Amount Tyson Food still has in annual government contracts: $200 million
- Reasons individuals other than Espy went free: Concealing knowledge of gifts to Espy and his girlfriend (1), providing illegal gratuities to Espy(4), illegally supplementing the salary of a government official (2), concealing receipt of illegal funds on behalf of Espy (1) (Espy's chief of staff was sentenced to prison in this case)
Other Matters Investigated by Special Prosecutors and Congress or Reported in the Media
Bank and mail fraud, violations of campaign finance laws, illegal foreign campaign funding, improper exports of sensitive technology, physical violence and threats of violence, solicitation of perjury, intimidation of witnesses, bribery of witnesses, attempted intimidation of prosecutors, perjury before congressional committees, lying in statements to federal investigators and regulatory officials, flight of witnesses, obstruction of justice, bribery of cabinet members, real estate fraud, tax fraud, drug trafficking, failure to investigate drug trafficking, bribery of state officials, use of state police for personal purposes, exchange of promotions or benefits for sexual favors, using state police to provide false court testimony, laundering of drug money through a state agency, false reports by medical examiners and others investigating suspicious deaths, the firing of the RTC and FBI director when these agencies were investigating Clinton and his associates, failure to conduct autopsies in suspicious deaths, providing jobs in return for silence by witnesses, drug abuse, improper acquisition and use of 900 FBI files, improper futures trading, murder, sexual abuse of employees, false testimony before a federal judge, shredding of documents, withholding and concealment of subpoenaed documents, fabricated charges against (and improper firing of) White House employees, inviting drug traffickers, foreign agents and participants in organized crime to the White House.
Unexplained Phenomena
- FBI files misappropriated by the White House: c. 900
- Estimated number of witnesses quoted in FBI files misappropriated by the White House: 18,000
- Number of witnesses who developed medical problems at critical points in Clinton scandals investigation (Tucker, Hale, both McDougals, Lindsey): 5
- Problem areas listed in a memo by Clinton's own lawyer in preparation for the president's defense: 40
- Number of witnesses and critics of Clinton subjected to IRS audit: 45
- Number of names placed in a White House secret database without the knowledge of those named: c. 200,000
- Number of persons involved with Clinton who have been beaten up: 2
- Number of women involved with Clinton who claim to have been physically threatened: 5 (Sally Perdue, Gennifer Flowers, Kathleen Willey, Linda Tripp, Elizabeth Ward Gracen)
- Number of men involved in the Clinton scandals who have been beaten up or claimed to have been intimidated: 9
Arkansas Sudden Death Syndrome
- Number of persons in the Clinton orbit who are alleged to have committed suicide: 7
- Number known to have been murdered: 2
- Number who died in plane crashes: 11
- Number who died in automobile accidents: 3
- Number killed during Waco massacre: 4
- Number of key witnesses who have died of heart attacks while in federal custody under questionable circumstances: 1
- Number of medications being taken by Jim McDougal at the time he was placed in solitary confinement shortly before his death: 12
- Number of unexplained deaths: 3
- Total of above deaths: 31
- Number of northern Mafia killings during peak years of 1968-78: 30
- Number of Dixie Mafia killings during same period: 156
Arkansas Alzheimer's
- Number of times Hillary Clinton said "I don't recall" or its equivalent in a statement to a House investigating committee: 50
- Number of paragraphs in this statement: 42
- Number of times Bill Clinton said "I don't recall" or its equivalent in the released portions of the his testimony on Paula Jones: 271
- Total number of facts or events not recalled before official bodies by Bill Kennedy, Harold Ickes, Ricki Seidman, Bruce Lindsey, Bill Burton, Mark Gearan, Mack McLarty, Neil Eggleston, John Podesta, Jennifer O'Connor, Dwight Holton, Patsy Thomasson, Jeff Eller, Beth Nolan, Cliff Sloan, Bernard Nussbaum, George Stephanopoulous, Roy Neel, Rahm Emanuel, Maggie Williams, David Tarbell, Susan Thomases, Webster Hubbell, Roger Altman, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton: 6,125
- Average occurrence of memory lapse by top administration figures while before official bodies: 235
Arkansas Money Management
- Amount of an alleged electronic transfer from the Arkansas Development Financial Authority to a bank in the Cayman Islands during 1980s: $50 million
- Grand Cayman's population: 18,000
- Number of commercial banks: 570
- Number of bank regulators: 1
- Amount Arkansas state pension fund invested in high-risk repos in the mid-1980s in one purchase in April 1985: $52 million through the Worthen Bank.
- Number of days thereafter that the state's brokerage firm went belly up: 3
- Amount Arkansas pension fund dropped overnight as a result: 15 percent
- Percent of Worthen Bank that Mochtar Riady bought over the next four months to bail out the bank and the then-governor, Bill Clinton: 40 percent.
- Percent of purchasers from the Clintons and McDougals of resort lots who lost the land because of the sleazy financing provisions: more than 50 percent
The Media
- Number of journalists covering Whitewater who have been fired, transferred off the beat, resigned or otherwise gotten into trouble because of their work on the scandals (Doug Frantz, Jim Wooten, Richard Behar, Christopher Ruddy, Michael Isikoff, David Eisenstadt, Yinh Chan, Jonathan Broder, James R. Norman, Zoh Hieronimus): 10
Friends of Bill
- Number of times John Huang took the Fifth Amendment in answer to questions during a Judicial Watch deposition: 1,000
- Visits made to the White House by investigation subjects Johnny Chung, James Riady, John Huang, and Charlie Trie: 160
- Number of campaign contributors who got overnights at the White House in the two years before the 1996 election: 577
- Number of members of Thomas Boggs' law firm who have held top positions in the Clinton administration: 18
- Number of times John Huang was briefed by CIA: 37
- Number of calls Huang made from Commerce Department to Lippo banks: 261
- Number of intelligence reports Huang read while at Commerce: 500
Political Fallout
- GOP seats gained in House since Clinton became president: 60
- GOP seats gained in Senate since Clinton became president: 11
- GOP governorships gained since Clinton became president: 14
- GOP state legislative seats gained since Clinton became president: c. 500
- Democrat officeholders who have become Republicans since Clinton became president: 439
- Republican officeholders who have become Democrats since Clinton became president: 3
posted on July 15, 2003 08:15:32 PM new
I was thinking along the same lines hibberst. All this talk trying to justify why Bush is better than Clinton while Americans are dying for no reason.
posted on July 15, 2003 08:16:27 PM new
Impressive numbers bear, how many of them can you document beyond newsLax? My guess is you haven't tried. If you had, you'd see that a lot if it doesn't wash. Even if you could verify them all, they do not dim the fact that the US has been misled about the war in Iraq. To date, Iraq did NOT seek uranium in Africa, the White House knew that, and put it into a speech to the American people anyway. Not only that, there are NO weapons of mass destruction, Rummy told us "we know where they are"...ha, that's another lie.. and there is NO connection between Iraq and al-qaida that anyone can prove. Why do you suppose so many Americans believe there is a connection between Iraq and 9-11 when there is NO evidence for that? Is it because they are psychic beings who can see evidence that intelligence gatherers all over the world can't find? Nope, it's because they have been told, over and over, by the present administration. At this point, it sure looks like we have been lied to repeatedly by Bush and Co. All the old Clinton junk you can dredge up did not cause Bush to lie to us, and changes nothing regarding the present administration. At some point, you need to look beyond Clinton as the ultimate evil.
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What luck for the leaders that men do not think. - Adolph Hitler
posted on July 15, 2003 09:58:12 PM new
I'm pro-American, anti-Bush. That's pretty obvious to most Twelve but maybe you haven't read my long, well-thought out posts where I mention that.
