posted on August 17, 2003 08:37:18 AM new
twelvepole
First Energy may be to blame. Not our Congressman, not our Governor, not our Mayor. First Energy. A failure in a system that should have been caught far before it got to where it did. Human error, they say is most likely. First Energy. They are not quick to take the blame. How does this make it the fault of any government or city official? I guess now they are expected to be electrical engineers, as well? Look where our Governor was. Taft - a Republican - was in Canada. Did he rush home? Hell no. He didn't see the need. Will he come to the aid in defending First Energy? Sure, he will. He's a Republican.
Cheryl
Power to the people. Power to the people, right on. - John Lennon
[ edited by CBlev65252 on Aug 17, 2003 08:38 AM ]
I hate First Energy. We're switching to Cleveland Public Power. But, even that would not have kept us in the light. They are part of that grid and went down also. However, their customers had power before those of us with First Energy.
Cheryl
Power to the people. Power to the people, right on. - John Lennon
posted on August 17, 2003 09:12:05 AM new
davebraun - fortunately you are not a resident of this state. All I can say is THANK GOD for that.
But with 2/3 of voters wanting Davis out, I don't think my one vote will be missed.
August 13, 2003
(CNSNews.com) - With recent polls showing that two-thirds of likely California voters will vote to oust California Gov. Gray Davis, some political observers are suggesting that Davis may resign to avoid the personal humiliation of being the first recalled governor in California history.
[ edited by Linda_K on Aug 17, 2003 09:13 AM ]
posted on August 17, 2003 09:21:38 AM new
Linda - Funny thing is - if he resigns, this whole election debacle dies that day and Bustamonte becomes govenor. While I disagree with the recall, at some point he needs to do what is best for the state and the party and just step down.
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posted on August 17, 2003 09:27:33 AM new
Morning Fenix - I don't know about that. Just finished reading an article discussing what would happen if he does step down. The lawyers, of course, are in disagreement with one another...but what I took from it was that the Lt. gov would only serve until after the recall election results were in. Then if the lt. gov was the one elected he would continue serving.
posted on August 17, 2003 09:37:30 AM new
I read today that Davis is fighting for his job. Mark Petracca made the following observation about the unlikely possibility of resignation.
"I don't see any evidence that Davis is on the brink of collapsing," said Petracca. "And for somebody like him, about to be turned out of office, there may be nothing better than the chance for one more fight. It's a gift he wouldn't have ordinarily. He's been liberated by being put on the block again, being put back into an arena he relishes and excels in."
As for why Davis doesn't just resign, as many non-political types have wondered, Petracca said: "He's not going to let his dignity be lost. He's too proud. And it's that characteristic that may end up saving him."
[ edited by Helenjw on Aug 17, 2003 09:37 AM ]
posted on August 17, 2003 09:40:38 AM new
Here are the arguments from both sides...
taken from www.cnsnews.com - in their View Politics section - this is archived.
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Election law unclear
Some observers have speculated that Davis might resign for the benefit of his deputy and fellow Democrat, Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante.
But experts in California election law told CNSNews.com that such speculation ignores one important fact: The recall election will proceed as scheduled, even if the governor resigns or dies.
If Gov. Davis resigns, Bustamante would automatically become governor, but whether he remained governor beyond October would depend on the results of the October 7 recall election, experts said.
The recall ballot will consist of two questions -- first, whether the governor should be recalled; and second, who should replace the governor if the recall is successful.
Election law experts agree that even if Davis does resign, the second ballot question (who should replace Davis) would remain binding.
They also agree that Bustamante would temporarily become governor if Davis resigns.
But the experts disagree on whether the recall's first question (should Davis be recalled) will remain legally binding if Davis resigns.. In any case, the first question will remain on the ballot, they note, simply because those ballots are scheduled to be printed later this week.
Scott Rafferty, an attorney, represented the plaintiffs in one of the five recall-related cases recently rejected by the California Supreme Court. He believes the result of the first question will still be legally relevant, regardless of whether Davis resigns.
That is, if voters say no to recalling Gov. Davis, that would - by extension - allow Lt. Gov. Bustamante to serve out the remainder of Davis's term, which ends in January 2007.
Conversely, Rafferty believes a "yes" vote on recalling Gov. Davis would also remove Bustamante from the governor's office.
"People would vote one way or the other," Rafferty said, "and the results would determine whether Cruz Bustamante stays in office as the constitutional successor or whether, as the Supreme Court has determined, he will be replaced by the plurality candidate, presuming that that plurality candidate is not himself," said Rafferty.
UCLA law professor Daniel Lowenstein disagrees with Rafferty. He believes that Davis's resignation would make the first question legally irrelevant, and thus the winner of the second question would become governor - regardless of how the majority voted on the first question about recalling Davis.
"Admittedly, the language of the California constitution is a bit obscure on the point," Lowenstein said. SOUND FAMILIAR???? LOL "How do you recall someone who's already retired?"
He said it would be "irrational" to do something like that, and he doesn't think the courts would go for it.
posted on August 17, 2003 09:52:32 AM new
If this recall is based primarily on economic issues such as the budget gap, a number of other governers may face this challenge.
posted on August 17, 2003 10:20:38 AM new
LINDA!!!
I'm so happy that you recognize that about Bush,
Bush has turned a huge federal surplus into the largest deficit in history - 450 billion, and led the nation to war in Iraq with a misguided foreign policy that will cost the United States hundreds of billions of dollars with over 9 million people unemployed!!!
Let's campaign for a recall!!! Recall Bush!!!
LOL
ubb ed.
[ edited by Helenjw on Aug 17, 2003 10:21 AM ]
posted on August 17, 2003 12:13:04 PM new
Looks like it may be the Lake Erie loop. I especially like this part of the article:
The Lake Erie Loop is among the largest of several power- sharing arrangements between Canada and the United States - provinces from New Brunswick in the east to British Columbia in the west have interconnected with U.S. utilities for decades.
In most cases, these arrangements were designed so that Canada, with its rich hydroelectric resources, could export surplus electricity to U.S. buyers. But one of the complications for the Lake Erie Loop has been surging demand for electricity in Ontario, Canada's most populous province - to the extent that the loop is often used, especially in cold winter months, to import American power into Ontario.
In addition, the loop has been used by U.S. power companies in the Midwest to send power through the Ontario part of the line to purchasers in eastern states.
I wonder if we'll ever really know who is to blame. Canada is blaming the US. Looks like their increased consumption may have played a part. In either case, I think this was definately a wake-up call.
Cheryl
Power to the people. Power to the people, right on. - John Lennon
posted on August 17, 2003 12:28:34 PM new
Linda - The more I deal with this election, the more convinced I am that my decision to leave next year is the right one.
How is this state supposed to recover when the experts can't even figure out what it's existing laws mean....
:::throwing hands up in disgust for the day and concentrating on my capitalist needs (ebay listings):::
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