NearTheSea
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posted on September 7, 2003 08:42:33 AM new
So true ^^ so best to just not respond, when she goes into one of these 'gotta prove *I* am right' things.
I didn't get that from Linda, and I read the thread, your reading what you want to read into things Helen.
Gotta go out 
Art Bell Retired! George Noory is on late night coasttocoastam.com
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Helenjw
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posted on September 7, 2003 08:48:30 AM new
Not surprised that you didn't "get" it, Nearthesea.
That's OK. Suffice it to say that I proved my point...as usual.
Helen
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kiara
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posted on September 7, 2003 09:23:39 AM new
twelvepole, I think I hit a nerve with you last evening. You doth protest too much.
I am very secure and very confident... Why do women need male friends?
This kind of sums it up.
http://www.girlposse.com/talk_talk_talk/pasttalk/menwomenfriends/menwomenfriends.html
Quite often we meet members of the opposite sex to whom we have absolutely no physical attraction to what so ever, yet we bond in other ways and have a lot in common and share a lot of laughs. These people make great friends no matter what sex they are. Why throw away a good thing just because of a person's gender? Friends of the opposite sex are also a great way to meet potential partners. They are also a great way to get to know how their mind works. Men and women think so differently about so many things, so it is great to have an opposite sex friend to learn from and to sometimes translate for you.
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kiara
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posted on September 7, 2003 09:29:04 AM new
BTW, I grew up with brothers and my cousins were boys and all the neighbors kids were boys so I played with boys all the time. I was shy and they took very good care of me and protected me but they allowed me to do almost everything they did.
And in my adult life I still have mostly male friends. I learned very young that females can be sneaky little bitches  and are less trustworthy than males.
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Fenix03
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posted on September 7, 2003 09:53:27 AM new
::I am very secure and very confident... Why do women need male friends?::
Because male friends are not catty.
Because male friends do not need to compete.
Because male friends offer a fresh perspective.
Because a male friend will tell you that you look like hell or that you look great and mean it.
Because men and women can share common interests and beliefs.
I do not judge people on their sex but I do know that my three most trusted and long lasting friends are all men. I have female friends but I know that those are conditional friendships... they are friends as long as they are not in the first year of a relationship, unless of course it's a "you won't believe what that bastard did now" night when the first time you here from them in 6 months is a 2 am call where they whine and #*!@ for an hour and half. Of course they make up the next morning and you don't hear from them again until the next time he screws up. That is an exclusively female thing, I've never recieved one of those calls from a male friend. One of these types is bad enough, two of them is enough to make you swear off female friends forever.
My question for you is.... What is it that makes you feel that male friendship is unneccessary or unwarranted?
Most men that I know that do not want their girlfriends to have male friends generally share the common trait of seeing women only for their sexuality and therefor believe that all men are the same. Men that accept that women are more than T & A don't seem to have the same problems.
Oh yes - I forgot - one more reason for male friends. Jealous girlfriends and wives are wonderful sources of frequently humorous blind dates as they attempt to remove some percieved threat by trying to set you up with any single family member they can find.
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Men Are Like Grapes. If You Stomp on Them and Keep Them in the Dark Long Enough, They Might Turn Into Something That You Would Take to Dinner
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kcpick4u
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posted on September 7, 2003 10:16:35 AM new
I do not judge people on their sex but, Men Are Like Grapes. If You Stomp on Them and Keep Them in the Dark Long Enough, They Might Turn Into Something That You Would Take to Dinner
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Twelvepole
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posted on September 7, 2003 10:16:36 AM new
of course women want male friends... they are attention seekers at heart.
The problem you seem to be over looking is why that male is "friends" with you...
Ask everyone of your "male friends" to sleep with you and I think you will see the answer...
I have male friends and have no need for female "friends" I do have a few acquaintances and they know how I feel about it.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND... 
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kraftdinner
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posted on September 7, 2003 10:22:10 AM new
Well, since you say you don't mind your girlfriend having female friends, does she know you secretly want to screw them all, Twelve?
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kiara
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posted on September 7, 2003 10:28:09 AM new
And again......
LOL !
HAHAHAHAHAHA...........
ROFL...........
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Twelvepole
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posted on September 7, 2003 10:29:21 AM new
Your question makes no sense or has a basis for even asking...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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Twelvepole
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posted on September 7, 2003 10:33:36 AM new
I will add this Foreign women of non-North American countries do not become fat dumb or complacent after marriage, most know that they are still "competing" to keep thier man.
They strive to please... something most North American women need to learn again.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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kiara
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posted on September 7, 2003 10:35:24 AM new
The problem you seem to be over looking is why that male is "friends" with you...
Problem? There is no problem. We help each other and share a lot of laughs. I am friends with males today for much the same reasons I was friends with them when I was a child.
Ask everyone of your "male friends" to sleep with you and I think you will see the answer...
LOL ! Why would I do that? Most of them are happily married and believe it or not Twelvepole, sex is not the reason why we are friends.
You say you have no need for female friends. Sadly you are missing out as you can learn so much from them. You could learn how to understand and treat your partner better.
Twelvepole, you are very insecure whether you realize it or not.
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Twelvepole
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posted on September 7, 2003 10:46:34 AM new
LOL, considering where that comment comes from... I need to laugh...
There is no insecurity here, that is just you trying to justify yourself....
As you said before "opinions are like..."
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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kraftdinner
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posted on September 7, 2003 10:48:13 AM new
Kiara -
If you allow you girlfriend to have female friends, Twelve, I assume that you've met them and probably had them over. If all men want to secretly have sex with every female, why would you be exempt from not wanting your girlfriend's friends?
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Fenix03
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posted on September 7, 2003 10:48:21 AM new
::Ask everyone of your "male friends" to sleep with you and I think you will see the answer...::
I'm not going to deny that a few of my male friends started out as idle flirtations. They were people with who I had fun, good laughs and great convos with but with whom there was no "sexual chemistry" with. Luckily neither of us were so shallow as to toss out a what turned out to be great friendships just because there was no sex involved.
I find it interesting that you have such a low opinion, not ony of men, but also of women that you are involved with. You seem to believe that the only interest that any man could have in a woman is sexual and your insistance that no woman you are involved with is allowed to have a male friend would imply that you believe she would sleep with any many that anted her too. That's kind of sad Twelve. Do you have so little faith and trust in her that you believe she could not resist an opportunity to sleep with another? I believe that you do care about this woman... but do can you honestly say that you respect her?
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Men Are Like Grapes. If You Stomp on Them and Keep Them in the Dark Long Enough, They Might Turn Into Something That You Would Take to Dinner
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kiara
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posted on September 7, 2003 10:50:04 AM new
I still think you secretly desire and fantasize about a sexy woman to control you.
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Fenix03
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posted on September 7, 2003 10:54:32 AM new
KC - LOL - what - Am I not allowed to have a sense of humor? There is a big difference between the men I am friends with and the ones I date. My nearest and dearest friend for over 15 years also happens to be my definition of a nightmare boyfriend.
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Men Are Like Grapes. If You Stomp on Them and Keep Them in the Dark Long Enough, They Might Turn Into Something That You Would Take to Dinner
[ edited by Fenix03 on Sep 7, 2003 10:57 AM ]
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Twelvepole
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posted on September 7, 2003 10:59:08 AM new
...and your point is Kraft? I look just like any warm blooded male... just because you look at the buffet table doesn't mean you sample it.
However if you allow someone to sit at that table... that is trouble not worth getting into.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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kiara
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posted on September 7, 2003 11:18:17 AM new
just because you look at the buffet table doesn't mean you sample it.
So how is that any different from my male friends? You are contradicting yourself, twelve.
Ask everyone of your "male friends" to sleep with you and I think you will see the answer...
So what would happen if one of your girlfriend's friends at the buffet table asked you to sleep with her?
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Twelvepole
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posted on September 7, 2003 11:20:10 AM new
I would.
and my girlfriend knows it.... I was dating someone when I met her... she knows how I am.
Reason she tries harder...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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Fenix03
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posted on September 7, 2003 11:24:57 AM new
Now I get it... Twelve the reason you think everyone is a tramp is because you are a tramp. I love that you have shared this. It humanizes my image of you just a little more.
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Men Are Like Grapes. If You Stomp on Them and Keep Them in the Dark Long Enough, They Might Turn Into Something That You Would Take to Dinner
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kiara
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posted on September 7, 2003 11:28:39 AM new
Twelvepole, that just proves the abuse part that I was talking about earlier.
I hope she smartens up and leaves you before you go any further. That's very sad.
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Twelvepole
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posted on September 7, 2003 11:33:31 AM new
LOL, typical North American female response Kiara... How about travelling some and really talking to some of these women... I think you will find they do not share your "sense" of what is and what isn't.
She is hardly abused nor controlled... she makes her own decisions... I just make sure she knows there are consequences...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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kraftdinner
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posted on September 7, 2003 11:35:20 AM new
Are you serious Twelve? That's the funniest thing I've ever heard you say!!
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kiara
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posted on September 7, 2003 11:38:10 AM new
I just make sure she knows there are consequences...
That's the control/abuse part that I was talking about.
I think you're just making all this up. You don't know the first thing about females.
In fact why don't you get your imaginary girlfriend to sign up so we can hear her exclusive Twelvepole exposé.
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Fenix03
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posted on September 7, 2003 11:38:55 AM new
Ladies - you are forgetting a very important aspect of a dominant/submissive relationship. Probably the most important aspect. You are forgetting which one is truly holding the power.
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Men Are Like Grapes. If You Stomp on Them and Keep Them in the Dark Long Enough, They Might Turn Into Something That You Would Take to Dinner
[ edited by Fenix03 on Sep 7, 2003 11:49 AM ]
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kiara
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posted on September 7, 2003 11:45:46 AM new
Good point, fenix.
Twelvepole, you are saying you screwed her while you were dating someone else so that's how she knows? Well, that means she will probably screw someone else then also if she did it once already. And men so hung up on the control issue usually miss the whole thing, and sometimes it happens in their very own bed!
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kraftdinner
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posted on September 7, 2003 11:47:46 AM new
Kiara, I'm starting to think you're right - Twelve's either making all this up, or he's Jerry Falwell in disguise.
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Twelvepole
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posted on September 7, 2003 11:54:30 AM new
LOL, how about asking instead of ASSuming...
I did not "screw" her while dating someone else... I met her and then broke up with the one I was dating and started dating her...
It's called trading up...
www.blowmeuptom.com read and heed...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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kiara
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posted on September 7, 2003 11:58:00 AM new
but sometimes a man wants a woman like dear old dad married..
I am confident this will last... 
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