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 NearTheSea
 
posted on November 9, 2003 06:00:06 PM new
"We live in the time where we have fictitious election results that elects a fictitious president

Well thats pretty stupid, no matter how you feel about the election. The election was not fictitious, nor is the President fictitious. (look up the word fictitious)

That alone, is reaffirming my view he is a total moron.


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 Twelvepole
 
posted on November 9, 2003 06:10:42 PM new
In February of 1999

You left this part out austbounty... need to dredge up some more history... but let me think... who was President in 1999?...


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 Helenjw
 
posted on November 9, 2003 06:14:16 PM new

nearthesea,

So, you judge Michael Moore a moron?

LOL!

Helen

 
 NearTheSea
 
posted on November 9, 2003 06:29:59 PM new
LOL Helen, yes LOL



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 kraftdinner
 
posted on November 9, 2003 07:12:48 PM new
LoL Near!

 
 Helenjw
 
posted on November 9, 2003 07:29:53 PM new

Idiot, moron,...empty words, signifiying nothing.



 
 NearTheSea
 
posted on November 9, 2003 07:34:47 PM new
Idiot, moron,...empty words, signifiying nothing.


I'll be sure to remember that, when you say that about your President next time





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 kraftdinner
 
posted on November 9, 2003 07:41:16 PM new
"We live in the time where we have fictitious election results that elects a fictitious president... "

Near, a lot of people feel that way. I feel that way and I don't think I'm an idiot because of it.



 
 Twelvepole
 
posted on November 9, 2003 07:44:56 PM new
Who did you vote for Kraft?

That ficticious President you talk about...


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 Helenjw
 
posted on November 9, 2003 07:55:58 PM new

I only did that once, nearthesea...

when I said,

Our "ship of state" is a wreck with an idiot in the captain's chair.

LOLOL!


 
 Helenjw
 
posted on November 9, 2003 08:02:36 PM new

And, believe it or not, I never called Bush a moron.

Helen

 
 NearTheSea
 
posted on November 9, 2003 08:06:31 PM new
Ok.....

Fictitious : Of, relating to, or characterized by fiction; imaginary.

Now, 1) there was no imaginary election. It happened (no matter how anyone perceived WHAT happened) there was a 2000 Presidential election.

2) There IS a President. Right now. His name is George W. Bush (no matter WHAT or HOW anyone thinks he got into the White House)

Now

Please do explain how that election is fictious, and also explain how the President is fictitious.

Thank you




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 NearTheSea
 
posted on November 9, 2003 08:09:40 PM new
Helen, I believe you.

I know you don't bash Bush, nor call him names (pertaining to stupidity)

(besides those kinds of words are empty and signify nothing anyway! )


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 Helenjw
 
posted on November 9, 2003 08:17:32 PM new

I'm glad that you believe me, Nearthesea.

I was amazed myself when I did a very thorough search and could find no instance in which I referred to Bush as either an idiot or a moron.

As you suggest, I've used other more effective and descriptive adjectives.




Helen





 
 NearTheSea
 
posted on November 9, 2003 08:20:15 PM new
I'm sure you have used more descriptive adjectives.





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 Helenjw
 
posted on November 9, 2003 08:22:49 PM new

Yeah...those hackneyed words such as moron and idiot have lost their punch.



 
 kraftdinner
 
posted on November 9, 2003 08:37:41 PM new
Twelve, what does voting have to do with agreeing with someone's statement? Go back to bed.

 
 Twelvepole
 
posted on November 10, 2003 03:32:17 AM new
The point is kraft if you don't vote here, you don't have the RIGHT to b*tch...

How about helping Canada... or is attacking the US your way of showing country envy?


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 Helenjw
 
posted on November 10, 2003 05:36:37 AM new

Envy???

How can anybody be envious of a counrty under the leadership of George Bush? He has trashed the economy, world opinion, the environment and neglected each and every domestic program while waging a mindless, needless, senseless, and reckless war in which our troops are being killed daily.

Can we survive another year?

Helen

 
 Twelvepole
 
posted on November 10, 2003 07:13:38 AM new
Must be envy Helen, why else would kraft and asutbounty continually talk about the US...




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 kraftdinner
 
posted on November 10, 2003 11:38:49 AM new
If I envied the U.S., I would move there, Twelve. That's the beauty of dual-citizenship.

Again, just to make it clear for you, what Bush does, affects the whole world, of which I'm part of, and so is austbounty.

The only b*tching I see, comes from you b*tching about people like me (and austbounty) that don't agree with you. I'm sure it would be a different story if we were both pro-Bush, or pro-guns, or pro-anti-deviants, or pro-anti-homosexuals, etc., but we're not. It's the whole package that bugs you Twelve, but if the voting issue is the only thing you can come up with to try and discredit my posts, it makes you look weak, not me.

 
 NearTheSea
 
posted on November 10, 2003 12:12:14 PM new
Kraft, I cannot do searches on here, but I *thought* at one time you said you couldn't vote in the US elections. (I could be wrong, and am a lot of the time )

But if you hold dual citizenship, you can vote in the U.S. (which I'm sure you probably know, since the whole process of the dual, you would have been informed of that)







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 kraftdinner
 
posted on November 10, 2003 12:41:39 PM new
Dual citizenship only means I can live in the U.S. or Canada without any work permits and I can cross the border anytime. Voting depends on how long you are at a residence, so if I live in the U.S. for 6 months and Canada for 6 months, I can't vote in either country.

 
 NearTheSea
 
posted on November 10, 2003 01:01:55 PM new
kraft

I had to search this for my brothers wife, (btw, who is in the 'probably CANNOT' have dual citizenship catagory.

And found this

Canada's current Citizenship Act (in force since 1977) says nothing at all about voting in foreign elections and loss of citizenship. If you are a citizen of some country other than Canada, of course, you will need to check the laws of that country in order to find out if you could endanger your citizenship in that country by voting in a US election.

Incidentally, US citizens living abroad (whether or not they happen to be dual citizens) should be aware that they may be legally entitled to vote in US federal elections. Even if you have not had any residential ties to the US for years and have no plans to return, you may still vote in federal elections based on your last place of residence before moving away from the US. In such cases, federal law prohibits your former state from declaring you a resident for state tax purposes simply because you have exercised this right to vote in a federal election. For more information on how to register and vote from outside the US, contact the nearest US embassy or consulate, or visit the Web site of the Federal Voting Assistance Program at www.fvap.ncr.gov.

http://www.richw.org/dualcit/faq.html#voting

So I don't know. I think IMO, dual citizenship is most confusing

edited for the url





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 kraftdinner
 
posted on November 10, 2003 01:18:54 PM new
I'll find out for you, Near. I'll call Immigration and ask them where the voting laws stand. As of 2 years ago, I couldn't vote, but things might have changed. My situation has changed somewhat too, so I appreciate your encouragement to check into it further.

Just to add, whether I could or couldn't vote in the U.S., or whether I am or am not a U.S. citizen, shouldn't make any difference about how my posts are viewed.

 
 NearTheSea
 
posted on November 10, 2003 02:23:41 PM new
...just coming in from getting my cat, that was at the Vet Hospital, and trying to get a trap for a vicious ferral cat that kicked my cats ass....... (hoping my cat got some good licks into it ... <eg> )

No, your status on citizenship should not make any difference on how your posts are viewed.

I was looking into it for a SIL,

AND I once did my 'civic duty' by signing people up to vote so that part must have come out




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 kraftdinner
 
posted on November 10, 2003 02:53:31 PM new
That statement wasn't directed at you, Near, but at anyone who thinks that a person's credible posts have less importance, just because they live in another country.

If, for instance, someone like Twelve didn't agree with me, instead of discussing the issue, he would bring up the fact that I don't live in the U.S. or I smoke pot, or I'm bitchy, or I'm anti-American, etc. Same goes for austbounty. Pretty lame if you ask me.

 
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