posted on November 15, 2003 06:46:43 PM newHelen:Linda said, "IMO, no illegals should have any benefits or rights. They should be deported, period."
Other than your statements about skin shades, that is the most offensive and ignorant remark that I have read in a long time.
Well, here is one point I agree with Linda (a real shocker, what?) People in this country illegally should be deported. Period. Nor should they get benefits or anything else. And they are a drain on health services, education resources, etc. etc., especially in areas like Southern California, where I live. Censorship, like charity, should begin at home; but unlike charity, it should end there --Clare Booth Luce
posted on November 15, 2003 07:10:11 PM new
But...I am always moderate! Censorship, like charity, should begin at home; but unlike charity, it should end there --Clare Booth Luce
posted on November 15, 2003 08:09:26 PM new
No Helen, KoKo has been tested numerous time. Her IQ consistantly scores within the range given. More info can be found on her website gorilla.org I believe.
Friends don't let friends vote Republican!
posted on November 15, 2003 09:21:01 PM new
liveinjeans
“Our country is a melting pot of diverse groups of people.” As is Australia
I don’t think it’s that simple to blame low results on immigrants, they seem after all to be the ones to drive their children even harder, as evidenced every year here by the proportionally very high achievements of many Asian immigrant children.
You say USA may spend the most on public education, that may well be the case in total, but this site http://www.nationmaster.com shows US education spending: 4.7% of GDP which ranks it @ 47th of the top 129 nations.
It is plain and simply clear that your leaders do not deem it important enough to spend as much % of their GDP on education as the 46 countries above them and just where that leaves the intellectual capacity of future American generations is anyone’s guess.
America may well be able to buy some of these brightest lights as they graduate, as they currently do; but what if they can’t.
Poor education can not be reversed in a handful of years.
These countries are:
Moldova Namibia Denmark South Africa Uzbekistan Barbados Saudi Arabia Sweden Finland Botswana Israel Norway New Zealand Jamaica Cuba Tunisia Saint Lucia Estonia Jordan Lesotho Ukraine Seychelles Latvia Congo, Democratic Republic of the Ireland
Libya France Belarus Slovenia Australia Fiji Lithuania Swaziland Austria Dominica Venezuela Hungary Liberia Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of Morocco Netherlands Belize Bolivia Panama Brazil United Kingdom
When looking at the number of Library books /per capita; USA does not even rank in the top 80 countries.
To place responsibility of education achievement squarely on children, fails to consider the social trap in which they have been placed.
Single Parent,
Unemployed Parent/s
Junkie parent/s
Killed in Action Parent/s
MIA Parent/s
Poor Education access due to geographics.
And many, many, many, other reasons.
RE. EQUALITY OF OPPORTUNITY WE ARE ALL IN THE SAME RACE, BUT SOME ONLY HAVE ONE LEG.
Then again, you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink, but at least give it a chance.
Take a look at George Bush, in spite of his ‘Ivy League’ education, he still can’t string a sentence together.
davebraun;
It may be widely believed that Bush has an IQ of 91.
But I doubt very much that he would place himself in the position of attempting to refute that claim.
I have searched before, re. Bush’s IQ and am only able to conclude that this figure is only estimated by persons trained in the field.
For example, ENOUGH ROPE with Andrew Denton, a TV show on ABC TV (Au), interviewed, Nobel Peace Prize nominee, Physician, and advocate for nuclear disarmament; Dr. Helen Caldicott; who has spent time interviewing both presidents, Speaking of Reagan. Said “his IQ, which was about 100 — average” and that Bush’s was lower.
[ edited by austbounty on Nov 15, 2003 09:26 PM ]
posted on November 15, 2003 09:32:17 PM new
The President's campaign promises to raise Pell awards to over 5000 dollars were a joke.
It is a known fact that if Pell Grants...if Pell Grant aid significantly affects the ability of the child to attend college or stay in college. A child eligible for a Pell Grant future will be affected by the size of the Pell Grant [sic]. I am going to ask Congress to bolster the first year aid from thirty-three hundred dollars to five thousand one hundred dollars per recipient of the Pell Grant, to encourage children to not only to attended higher education but to complete the first year of higher education. Increasing the Pell Grants...increasing the first year Pell Grant will make college much more affordable for low and middle income students. New Hampshire, 2000
Pell awards have been frozen at $4000 for 2003, and that took an act of the legislature to override Bush's recommendation last year of $3850.
In 1976, the Pell award was estimated to cover 80%+ of the cost of an average year's college...tuition, books, room and board. Today's awards cover less than 40 percent of that average cost.
While it may be that more individual grants have been made, the money is just being spread more thinly, in what seems to be direct contradiction to the President's reasoning before the "election".
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In this world of sin and sorrow, there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican. -- H.L. Mencken
[ edited by profe51 on Nov 15, 2003 09:34 PM ]
posted on November 16, 2003 12:52:21 AM newMilitary expenditure (per capita) Do’in Just Fine
1. Israel $1,487.68 per person
2. Singapore $1,003.88 per person
3. United States $986.23 per person
4. Brunei $977.49 per person
5. Kuwait $931.68 per person
6. New Caledonia $925.15 per person
7. Qatar $911.34 per person
8. Oman $893.47 per person
9. Bahrain $801.65 per person
10. Saudi Arabia $778.28 per person
11. France $778.03 per person
12. Norway $687.94 per person
13. United Arab Emirates $654.13 per person
14. Greece $574.9 per person
15. United Kingdom $530.3 per person
16. Sweden $495.13 per person
17. Cyprus $482.2 per person
18. Australia $475.78 per person
19. Germany $466.06 per person
20. Denmark $460.06 per person
21. Netherlands $404.54 per person
22. Taiwan $356.63 per person
23. Italy $349.99 per person
24. Switzerland $348.95 per person 2
5. Finland $347.25 per person
Murders (per capita)
1. Colombia 0.65 per 1000 people
2. South Africa 0.5 per 1000 people
3. Jamaica 0.33 per 1000 people
4. Venezuela 0.33 per 1000 people
5. Russia 0.2 per 1000 people
6. Mexico 0.13 per 1000 people
7. Lithuania 0.1 per 1000 people
8. Estonia 0.1 per 1000 people
9. Latvia 0.1 per 1000 people
10. Belarus 0.1 per 1000 people
11. Ukraine 0.09 per 1000 people
12. Papua New Guinea 0.09 per 1000 people
13. Kyrgyzstan 0.09 per 1000 people
14. Thailand 0.08 per 1000 people
15. Zimbabwe 0.08 per 1000 people
16. Zambia 0.08 per 1000 people
17. Moldova 0.08 per 1000 people
18. Seychelles 0.07 per 1000 people
19. Costa Rica 0.06 per 1000 people
20. Poland 0.06 per 1000 people
21. Georgia 0.05 per 1000 people
22. Uruguay 0.05 per 1000 people
23. United States 0.05 per 1000 people
24. Bulgaria 0.04 per 1000 people
25. Armenia 0.04 per 1000 people
And to dispel a couple of myths.
Top Economic aid – donor (per capita)
Luxembourg $356.69 per person
2. Norway $309.38 per person
3. Denmark $303.6 per person
4. Netherlands $217.83 per person
5. Sweden $191.51 per person
6. Switzerland $150.64 per person
7. France $105.41 per person
8. United Kingdom $75.28 per person
9. Belgium $74.36 per person
10. Finland $73.12 per person
11. Ireland $72.88 per person
12. Japan $71.67 per person
13. Germany $67.27 per person
14. Austria $50.18 per person
15. Australia $45.74 per person
16. Canada $40.75 per person
17. Spain $33.19 per person
18. Portugal $26.87 per person
19. New Zealand $25.51 per person
20. United States $24.59 per person
Olympic medals (Sydney 2000) (per capita)
1. Bahamas, The 16.64 per 1000000 people
2. Australia 5.88 per 1000000 people
3. Cuba 5.52 per 1000000 people
4. Norway 4.64 per 1000000 people
5. Jamaica 4.1 per 1000000 people
6. Hungary 3.87 per 1000000 people
7. Bulgaria 3.81 per 1000000 people
8. Barbados 3.62 per 1000000 people
9. Netherlands 3.61 per 1000000 people
10. Iceland 3.58 per 1000000 people
11. Estonia 3.53 per 1000000 people
12. Slovenia 3.1 per 1000000 people
13. Sweden 2.82 per 1000000 people
14. Trinidad and Tobago 2.58 per 1000000 people
15. Greece 2.54 per 1000000 people
16. Latvia 2.54 per 1000000 people
17. Belarus 2.52 per 1000000 people
18. Lithuania 2.5 per 1000000 people
19. Denmark 2.42 per 1000000 people
20. Romania 2.42 per 1000000 people
21. Switzerland 2.33 per 1000000 people
22. Slovakia 1.84 per 1000000 people
23. Finland 1.74 per 1000000 people
24. New Zealand 1.54 per 1000000 people
25. Czech Republic 1.46 per 1000000 people
Top Taxed Budget (revenues) (per capita
1. Holy See (Vatican City) $232,888.89 per person
2. Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas) $22,312.1 per person
3. Monaco $16,194.08 per person
4. Norway $15,844.88 per person
5. Pitcairn Islands $15,529.45 per person
6. San Marino $14,424.81 per person
7. Sweden $13,405.82 per person
8. Liechtenstein $12,916.39 per person
9. Iceland $12,527.56 per person
10. Luxembourg $12,261.21 per person
11. Greenland $11,458.78 per person
12. Gibraltar $11,077.43 per person
13. Belgium $11,036.93 per person
14. Faroe Islands $10,606.16 per person
15. Saint Pierre and Miquelon $10,066.15 per person
16. Denmark $9,853.13 per person
17. Germany $9,633.43 per person
18. Bermuda $9,529.39 per person
19. United Kingdom $9,451.64 per person
20. Ireland $8,755.76 per person
21. Italy $8,732.47 per person
22. Netherlands $8,339.66 per person
23. United Arab Emirates $8,176.65 per person
24. Cayman Islands $7,311.22 per person
25. Brunei $7,124.58 per person
26. Finland $6,964.34 per person
27. Jersey $6,694.51 per person
28. Israel $6,634.02 per person
29. Man, Isle of $6,565.32 per person
30. United States $6,515.49 per person
And the Number 1 Nation for Prisoners/per.capita:-
United States @ 6.41 per 1000 people
http://www.gwbush.com/education.shtml
Privatizing Cafeterias: "Healthy body, healthy mind." So goes the time-tested maxim, which is why President Bush strongly supports the shuttering of inefficient, bureaucratic, gruel-dispensing lunchrooms in favor of expanding the delicious and nutritious subsidies paving the way for in-school Taco Bell and Burger King kiosks – providing a sufficiently competitive landscape is preserved for high-capacity snack machine offerings.
posted on November 16, 2003 05:58:13 AM new
profe - No different than what was being said in 1994 about the clinton administration.
I think the stats I posted speak well for what Bush has done for the Pell Grants in his three years in office. With the total economic costs of 9-11, two wars to pay for....when one puts it into prospective, he's outstanding in this area. Especially when compared to the 8 years under clinton, when you guys give all the credit to clinton being the cause of our booming economy. Seems to me like that would have been a better time to be FULLY funding this program rather than when times are tough.
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Fiscal Year 2003 : $11,364,646,000
Fiscal Year 2002 : $10,314,000,000
Fiscal Year 2001 : $8,756,000,000
Fiscal Year 2000 : $7,639,717,000
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Can't deny the above figures. No matter how much he's put into the program, it will NEVER be enough for those always looking for political arguments. And as stated previously:
We have proposed higher increases in funding for Pell Grants than were enacted during the eight years of the previous administration.
-----News Story by Erik Walker, 11/30/94 Federal Pell Grants are not keeping pace with increasing costs of college tuition, and financial-aid directors throughout the state say students are borrowing more money as a result.
In 1979-80, students at the University used Pell Grants to cover 47 percent of their total tuition costs, according to University financial-aid statistics. In 1994-95, however, Pell Grants will account for 21 percent of tuition payments, the lowest percentage in the history of the program.
"If the Pell Grant had risen with the cost of the inflation, it would now be $4,500. It has now lost half of its value," said Orlo Austin, University director of financial aid.
The 1993-94 Pell Grant maximum award was $2,300, a decrease from $2,400 during the 1992-93 school year, Austin said. In addition, although Congress has authorized a larger amount for such grants, since 1980 it has not allocated enough funds to cover those awards. In the 1993-94 school year, the maximum authorized Pell Grant award was $3,700. However, the total actual maximum award was only $2,300.
Jane Glickman, U.S. Department of Education public affairs specialist.
who said:
Authorized maximum Pell Grant awards set by Congress would be those for an "ideal world, where there is tons of money," Glickman said.
So....there's your answer, given during the clinton administration years as to why more money wasn't being spent on this grant program when the economy was so great.
posted on November 16, 2003 06:07:22 AM new
Linda, some good points.
I will look into it, but it does appear that student loans are easier to get and at very low interest rates. They are a fact of life and students should look into those also.
posted on November 16, 2003 09:27:33 AM newso....there's your answer, given during the clinton administration years as to why more money wasn't being spent on this grant program when the economy was so great.
I'm not sure about the answer, but you pose a very good question there about why more money wasn't being spent...Congress, not the President, authorizes Pell awards AND funds the program each year...and wasn't there a REPUBLICAN majority during the Clinton years ? Newt somebody or other....
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The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then gets elected and proves it.
-- P. J. ORourke (Holidays in hell, 1989)
posted on November 16, 2003 11:31:01 AM new
profe - Oh, okay we're going to play the game that way. Well then, the same should hold true for Bush until the 2002 elections when the republicans gained the majority.
And also we can then give credit for all the positive things that happened when the republicans controlled the house during the clinton administration.. If they get the blame, and not the top guy, then they get the credit too, not the top guy. Can't have it both ways.
[ edited by Linda_K on Nov 16, 2003 11:34 AM ]
posted on November 16, 2003 11:38:13 AM newcan't have it both ways
I agree...
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The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then gets elected and proves it.
-- P. J. ORourke (Holidays in hell, 1989)
posted on November 17, 2003 11:44:24 AM new
So Austi, what you are saying is that since you have no interest in your home socialist society politicts, you feel it it your responsibility to butt into the politicts of a country you know nothing about except what you read & have never experienced first hand.
A true Asstralian patriot protecting the world against the imperealist U.S., one news paper clipping at a time.
"Another plague upon the land, as devastating as the locusts God loosed on the Egyptians, is "Political Correctness.'" --Charlton Heston
[ edited by BEAR1949 on Nov 17, 2003 11:45 AM ]
posted on November 17, 2003 05:39:05 PM new
may I add...skimmed through these
All kids can get a college education.... someone said here, about student loans
Well, there are student loans... and there is working while attending college...
Whats wrong with that?
my oldest got a student loan, plus worked through her college... my youngest, I admit, I paid hers.... shes spoiled,, I admit I did it... its done... she's through college and has a good job. My oldest is working in exactly what she went to college for, and paying her loans monthly. They are LOW interst rates on it.
But the point is, kids now CAN do it, just takes some work.
I don't know anything about the grants though
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posted on November 17, 2003 06:16:05 PM new
nearthesea,
“But the point is, kids now CAN do it, just takes some work.”
How nice for your youngest that you had the capacity and will to pay.
Bear; Your regimes are major league Butt Boys.
Ignorance is Bliss
Do NOT do a google search for “us involvement”
US Involvement in the Middle East
Bear, if you think that US can win in US_vs_The_World; you’ve lost your mind.
You and your type ‘bring’em-on’ to the whole of USA;
Remember, the bigger they are, the harder they fall.
US Might Accept 30_000 US Military Deaths in Iraq
[ edited by Twelvepole on Nov 16, 2003 04:00 AM ]