Helenjw
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posted on January 22, 2004 06:53:42 PM new
kraftdinner, Since you are in Canada, I can understand your doubt about this little ditty. But believe me, in the South it's considered racist today. Even school children know not to use it. The fact that a 25 year old native of Texas would say even a part of this well known rhyme is very offensive and troubling.
Helen
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Fenix03
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posted on January 22, 2004 06:55:44 PM new
So Helen you have decided that this pperson is lying. Ever consider that since the original version is considered so offensive in Texas where she grew up that she truly did never hear that version and only knew the Tiger version?
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
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plsmith
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posted on January 22, 2004 06:57:23 PM new
Actually, Fenix, I didn't "assume" anything. I observed that perhaps you'd been given the response you sought. Frankly, I'm now more curious to know just how old these "girls" you refer to are; have any child labor laws been broken?
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Helenjw
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posted on January 22, 2004 07:02:54 PM new
fenix,
This is what bothers me...even if we assume that she is telling the truth.
While Cundiff said she probably would never use the rhyme again, "I will not tell anyone not to say it."
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plsmith
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posted on January 22, 2004 07:05:33 PM new
And now who's making assumptions, Fenix?
This thread is about a lawsuit brought by two African Americans who found a flight attendant's use of a particular schoolyard rhyme offensive.
When I want to discuss the merits/drawbacks of Ring Around The Rosie, rest assured, I shall devote an entire thread to doing so...
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Fenix03
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posted on January 22, 2004 07:08:47 PM new
I think they are 17, 18, 20, one in her early 20's and my friend the owner who is in her late 30's just as I am and we all consider ourselves to me "the girls" especially when debating the "guys" also known as the barbers 
None of us are so unsure as to our status or abilities that we mind being referred to as "girls", and as for us two elders in the group (actually there are three "elders" but the other was not there for the convo) we considered being referred to by our youthful spirits rather than our aging aching bodies to be quite the compliment
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
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Fenix03
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posted on January 22, 2004 07:10:16 PM new
Helen - you mean she hae a problem with her deciding that what others say is up to them and not a decision for her to make?
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
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Helenjw
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posted on January 22, 2004 07:18:21 PM new
"While Cundiff said she probably would never use the rhyme again, "I will not tell anyone not to say it."
I suppose we should believe what she said. That's her statement.
If she became a supervisor, for example, she would not tell her employees not to use a n-gger rhyme. Or if she had children is she saying that she will not tell them not to say it?
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kraftdinner
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posted on January 22, 2004 07:22:44 PM new
Helen, I was born and raised in Greenville, South Carolina. Racism was abundant, even in my own family. We had a cotton farm with shacks on it where the coloured people lived. I grew up with Little Black Sambo and Eeenie, Meenie - the racist version. I find it troubling that, since the original version was changed to be less offensive, saying the rhyme at all now, seems to be even more offensive because of its history.
I also find it troubling that coloured people would be viewed as thinking such things matter that much. To me, that's degrading.
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rawbunzel
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posted on January 22, 2004 07:23:03 PM new
I had no idea that the ditty had the "n" word in it until I was in my teens..we learned it with tiger.My kids had no idea about the N word being in it till, for some odd reason, we were discussing this very ditty on Christmas eve..I believe it started with a conversation about nuts and the one nut that used to be routinely called a "N" toe.
My kids then may well have used the same little ditty without relating it to an racist thing. Of course they know now. I have no idea if they would still use the tiger version or not and frankly I don't care if they do. That version is not at all racist and it is also a version that has been around for years.At least 50 to my knowledge.
I also believe that a society can be too politcally correct.[I know..this coming from a liberal...  ]If the stewardess had said the N word I would be all over this like stink on sh....well..you know..but she didn't, she made a rhyme.
Having never lived in the south I guess I have different views.
Krafty..Little Black Sambo was,of course, not about African Americans but about an East Indian boy. I always enjoyed that book and the tiger turning to butter.
All religions are equally right
[ edited by rawbunzel on Jan 22, 2004 07:25 PM ]
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gravid
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posted on January 22, 2004 07:28:57 PM new
I have been jumped on for saying 'you guys' to a group that included some women and jumped on for saying 'Boy! What a bunch of crap he's feeding us.' to a group that included a mature black man. I have also been jumped on in a spectacular rant of about 10 minutes length for saying someone's skill level was very 'sophisticated' by a person who seems to make it their life work to bring thje rest of humanity into line with their understaning of how that word should be properly used.
People are too damn touchy when there is no intent at all to demean.
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Helenjw
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posted on January 22, 2004 07:38:40 PM new
Well, hell. We can't agree on everything. Some here think the rhyme is trivial -- some see it as flagrantly racist. One thing I do know is that you guys are not racists.
However, when I was in Mississippi, this rhyme was used ONLY by racists. That is why I have such a negative reaction to it and why the black people on the plane were so offended. I still can't understand why a 25 year old airline employee would say, after hearing the correct rendition that she might say it again.
grammar ed.
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Fenix03
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posted on January 22, 2004 07:49:54 PM new
She didn't say that Helen - she said that she would never say it again. You seem to have a problem however that she would not let others use their own best judgement in the same situation.
What would be interesting to know is how many passengers have heard that same rhyme from god only knows how many flight attendents (she's not the only one that has ever said it) who failed to somehow see being told to stop wandering and find a seat as some type of racist implication.
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Helenjw
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posted on January 22, 2004 07:59:31 PM new
fenix,
for the third time... she said,
"While Cundiff said she probably would never use the rhyme again, "I will not tell anyone not to say it."
I've posted her statement twice. She said "probably".
I don't expect her to tell everyone what to say . That's ludicrous.
But, if she became a supervisor, for example, she would not tell her employees not to use a n-gger rhyme. Or if she had children is she saying that she will not tell them not to say it?
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Helenjw
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posted on January 22, 2004 08:01:12 PM new
That statement is straight from the article.
If you have another quote, then post it.
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Fenix03
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posted on January 22, 2004 08:07:16 PM new
My mistake on the quote Helen - I glanced up at the quote again in your qoute and saw "never" and completely missed the "probably".
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Bear1949
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posted on January 22, 2004 09:06:41 PM new
If the N word is so offensive to blacks, why do they continue to use it among them selves?
Why is it OK for them to use it & not for other races to do so?
Dare anyone use a word similar in spelling with the meaning "grudgingly mean about spending or granting".
I worked for many years with a black guy that I came to thing more of than one of my brothers. He was a Harris County (TX) reserve deputy sheriff & worked the county jail. He come to work one day & was complaining about "those @*$&*&^ Black SOB's" that were in jail.
I asked him if he didn't have any sympathy about his incarcerated brotheren. His reply to me still causes me to laugh when I recall his words. He said "I'm not black, I'm a sunburned polock, it's all those black's that are giving us N-----s a bad name."
"If you believe you can tell me what to think, I believe I can tell you where to go. Not all of us are sheep....."
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KatyD
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posted on January 22, 2004 09:09:29 PM new
I see Pat is rousing the rabble again. You guys are so easy.
KatyD
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Helenjw
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posted on January 22, 2004 09:19:48 PM new
Hey, KatyD!!!
And isn't she a fine rabble rouser! The place has become alive...I think?
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rawbunzel
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posted on January 22, 2004 09:43:28 PM new
Hi Katy! I thought the whole idea of posting here was to get the rabble roused.Pat is very good at it.She does have a way about her.
I noticed you are also very good at it at TOP.LOL
All religions are equally right
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bunnicula
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posted on January 22, 2004 10:30:48 PM new
It's ridiculous and should never even have gotten to court. While the rhyme does have a racist origin, I grew up in the late 50s & early 60s never hearing it. We used "eenie meenie" as a choosing or deciding rhyme with either "tiger" or "monkey" in it. I, too, never heard the original version until I was in my teens. Millions of people use the "modern" version with never a racist thought in their heads & many kids grow up never knowing there is a racist version.
The women blew it all out of proportion. Some people look for offense where there is none.
Censorship, like charity, should begin at home; but unlike charity, it should end there --Clare Booth Luce
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Twelvepole
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posted on January 23, 2004 04:57:22 AM new
wgm ignore smith, she doesn't deserve any consideration of discussion.
Another Liberal with rose colored glasses on.
Bleeding Heart Liberal- Haven't a clue outside of their fairy tale land, but makes uninformed judgements of others.
As worthless as whale sh*t.
You and your ilk haven't a clue... have you even been outside your county?
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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Twelvepole
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posted on January 23, 2004 05:48:34 AM new
I think if you learned reading comprehension Katy you would see plsmith is the one getting roused... because she is just plain wrong.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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Helenjw
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posted on January 23, 2004 05:48:50 AM new
"I noticed you are also very good at it at TOP.LOL"
Good observation, Rawbunzel! I can remember a little rabble roused by Katy.
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Twelvepole
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posted on January 23, 2004 05:51:56 AM new
My goodnes if it isn't some long lost children returning from the moron boards....
Gee Helen you should be happy... more morons to post with you...
or are they just common ordinary board trolls... passing through returning to their moron boards...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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Helenjw
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posted on January 23, 2004 06:52:58 AM new
Why, Twelvepole should I be happy or even care that KatyD made a pit stop to call everyone here *easy* rabble being deliberately roused by Pat...without even saying hello???
Just another pit bull making a pit stop.
Helen
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KatyD
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posted on January 23, 2004 09:43:35 AM new
Well, hello to two of my favorite friends...err..."morons", Helen and Bunz!
12pole, you should stop by TOP. There's somebody named Mark there just dying to have an intellectual conversation with you. Bring your theosaurus.
KatyD
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rawbunzel
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posted on January 23, 2004 11:12:40 AM new
sniff sniff...Katy called me a moron...sniff
Well shoot, at least I am among your favorite moron friends.
All religions are equally right
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Helenjw
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posted on January 23, 2004 01:04:34 PM new
Oh, she's just trying to butter up Twelvepole...a friend of Linda's.
Helen
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bunnicula
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posted on January 23, 2004 01:10:57 PM new
buttering up the pole is something I really don't want to think about...
Censorship, like charity, should begin at home; but unlike charity, it should end there --Clare Booth Luce
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