posted on February 3, 2004 06:56:32 PM new
I don't think anyone can say now that the democrats aren't energized. We may have Dean to thank for doing that, but today's CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll shows either Kerry OR Edwards beating the President if the election were held today. I'll take either one. Edward's speech tonight was one of the best I've heard from anyone in a long time.....a real appeal to the soul of the Democratic party.
The image put forth a few months ago of President Bush walking all over a fumbling, message-less Democratic rival just won't hold up any more.
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Mi abuelita me dijo "en boca cerrada no entran moscas".
posted on February 3, 2004 07:17:17 PM new
The most likely Dem ticket is Kerry/Edwards! They would be a formidable team and would probably beat Bush/Cheney.
posted on February 3, 2004 07:26:22 PM new
The enthusiasm to defeat Bush is good to see! In fact, many are supporting Kerry because they believe that he has a better chance of beating Bush. Both Kerry and Edwards are great candidates. Dean has done a fantastic job of steering the candidates and he can take credit for a Democratic victory.
posted on February 3, 2004 07:58:00 PM new
I wonder what they'll give him as a booby prize? Secretary of State? Secretary of Defense?
I think a whole lot more is going to have to come out against Bush and Cheney and be repeated as incessantly as "I did not have sex with that woman!" to get them out of the White House. Look at the blind faith their supporters here at Vendio have in them. Multiply those folks by millions who put the TV on mute (ignore, heh) whenever any hint of malfeasance comes up. Hardcore Republicans, the Far Right, the Conservative Coalition have never cared about the individuals in the top two spots; it's all about The Agenda they perceive a Republican president is likely to follow.
Here's a fun one for you: We may be hearing a lot more from Moore. Nope, not Michael; ousted Alabama Supreme Court Justice Roy Moore. While he's focused on trying to get his job back he has not ruled out a third-party run for the presidency that could threaten President Bush's re-election chances.
At a recent speaking engagement, the man who became famous for his defense of a Ten Commandments monument was asked during a question-and-answer session whether he would run for president, reported Wall Street Journal columnist John Fund.
posted on February 3, 2004 08:06:41 PM new
I, for one, certainly think he should run!
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Mi abuelita me dijo "en boca cerrada no entran moscas".
posted on February 3, 2004 08:10:27 PM new
What I am finding scary is the people who say they simply don't care if Bush lied or what he does he has their support whatever he does. If he destroys the rule of law or commits genocide - nothing matters except he protect them and the country.
Of course it may not be recognizable - but that's ok.
Have any of these people ever opened a history book?
posted on February 3, 2004 08:12:43 PM new
LMAO! They've already made his "campaign button" -- available for just $9.95 from your local morality police:
posted on February 3, 2004 08:24:29 PM new
If Ralph Nader gave us Bush, maybe this Moore character will give us Kerry or Edwards
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posted on February 3, 2004 08:27:48 PM new"What I am finding scary is the people who say they simply don't care if Bush lied or what he does he has their support whatever he does."
That the ends justify the means is their only commandment. In order to minimize the dead in Iraq, the number killed is compared with traffic fatalities.
posted on February 3, 2004 08:49:52 PM new
I watched a biography of Magda Goebbels the other night. During those last hours in the bunker, after she'd made it known that she intended to kill her six kids and then commit suicide with her husband, several hardcore Nazis tried to talk her out of it, saying that her kids had their whole lives ahead of them. But Magda was adamant: she bore those children to live in Hitler's Third Reich. If there wasn't going to be one, there was no point for them to continue living. She put her kids to bed and poisoned them.
Shortly before she poisoned herself, Hitler gave her his Nazi Party badge. Magda wept tears of gratitude upon receiving this cheap tin pinback.
posted on February 3, 2004 08:54:29 PM new
Those who invoke the ends justification only do so when the means are morally questionable. Otherwise, it isn't an issue.
Edwards is doing very well.
Clark won in Oklahoma.
Lieberman is out.
You have the right to an informed opinion -Harlan Ellison
posted on February 4, 2004 12:50:19 AM new
I was speaking to my mother earlier today about the current situation. We have these conversations semi regularly but they end up in mild frustration because 1) much to my dismay, in the past few years she has become a republican and 2) she does not understand when I get upset about thing like CAPS2 and the Patriot Act. Why should they bother me, I'm not a terrorist.
Seems that while she was at a professional conference last week of a group of people that tended to be predominantly republican they got into a discusion of current events and one theme aparently rang true for them. When it takes this long for Bush , Rice and other top cabinet members to admit that they misled the world, that it was only done only when numerous respected sources were coming out and saying it, and that their attitude is still - "so what?" what else have they lied about? What else have they misled us on and when it comes out, what are the reprocussions going to be? When your president spends billions of dollars that your nation does not have based on information that seems to have come more from tea leaves than from reliable intelligence and when it is exposed, they brush it off and deflect it with a Kennedyesque hopefully uniting dream of greater space exploration it is clear that he is not in touch with the people that he has been put in place to serve.
Much to my surprise, and delight, she and others in the group she was with are starting to look at the alternatives to "four more years". I somehow doubt they are the only ones.
Considering that Bush did not actually win the populous vote and that Nader is not around to divide the democratic vote, if I were a Republican right now, I would be starting to worry.
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posted on February 4, 2004 07:28:33 AM new
You guys/gals enjoy your 'poll' leads while you can. The ONLY reason the numbers are pointing that way is because it's only been the democratic candidates who've been so visible on TV, in the media, etc. When Bush starts to campaign....you'll see much different poll numbers.
Kerry is way to liberal....not going to get the Independent votes. When many see his voting record on National Defense [etc] his numbers will head south very quickly.
posted on February 4, 2004 02:23:06 PM new
I'd say a Kerry/Edwards ticket, or maybe an Edwards/Kerry ticket, will be a formidable obstacle for the President to overcome. Even if he finds bin Laden in time
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posted on February 4, 2004 02:52:16 PM newKerry is no more liberal than bush. Obviously said by another who doesn't know what they're talking about. Look at Kerry's record...he's further left than Kennedy. I doubt many, even ultra- liberals, would agree with that obviously uninformed statement. Check their voting records..........learn the FACTS.
posted on February 4, 2004 06:00:05 PM new
Hmmm, it seems to me that we have a republican president, and congress. You cant blame kerry for the massive spending going on now. Seems to me the democrats are more conservative. Nice try though.
posted on February 4, 2004 06:22:35 PM new
Good point, Blairwitch...even conservative Republicans are concerned about Bush's massive spending...with an expected trillion dollar deficit.
posted on February 4, 2004 09:52:57 PM new
Linda, please cite some "facts", for a change. There's a gaggle of of reactionary posters here (you, Bear, ebayauctionguy, Max) who rant in opposition to anti-Bush themes, but you never come up with anything substantial to bolster your claims. You chant "Re-elect President Bush!" beneath every post, yet you say nothing about this man you so admire to convince people to do so.
If you really mean to be a strong voice for the Right, for the Republican Party, I suggest you stop undermining it with your mindless drivel. On the other hand, if you're really just a tool of the far Left, I say, "Well done!"
Hey, Helen, do you suppose our non-accountable CIA tax dollars are going towards funding stooges on chatboards? Could be true...
posted on February 5, 2004 07:25:08 AM new
plsmith, who made you board monitor? I hadn't read about anyone electing you to tell others how to post and what to say. I'll post how and what I wish, thank you very much. By the way, I feel the same about most of what others who hold opositie positions here say...only I work at not being so bossy as to tell others what they should do and what they should say. Did you learn to be this controlling while you were with the guru's?
Hey, Helen, do you suppose our non-accountable CIA tax dollars are going towards funding stooges on chatboards? Could be true...
I was looking for a book that Snowy mentioned and I just noticed this question.
It's a possibility... Furthermore, I believe that some may have been used by their organization to test torture techniques.
You may notice, for example that some have a problem with time, maybe still suffering from the effects of sleep deprivation or clock manipulation resulting in a new Orwellian concept...Past is present.
posted on February 6, 2004 12:51:48 PM newTHE REAL KERRY By HOWIE CARR
February 5, 2004 -- BOSTON
ONE of the surest ways to get the phones ringing on any Massachusetts
talk-radio show is to ask people to call in and tell their John Kerry stories.
The phone lines are soon filled, and most of the stories have a common theme:
our junior senator pulling rank on one of his constituents, breaking in line,
demanding to pay less (or nothing) or ducking out before the bill arrives.
The tales often have one other common thread. Most end with Sen. Kerry
inquiring of the lesser mortal: "Do you know who I am?"
And now he's running for president as a populist. His first wife came from a
Philadelphia Main Line family worth $300 million. His second wife is a
pickle-and-ketchup heiress.
Kerry lives in a mansion on Beacon Hill on which he has borrowed $6 million to
finance his campaign. A fire hydrant that prevented him and his wife from
parking their SUV in front of their tony digs was removed by the city of Boston
at his behest.
The Kerrys ski at a spa the widow Heinz owns in Aspen, and they summer on
Nantucket in a sprawling seaside "cottage" on Hurlbert Avenue, which is so
well-appointed that at a recent fund-raiser, they imported porta-toilets onto
the front lawn so the donors wouldn't use the inside bathrooms. (They later
claimed the decision was made on septic, not social, considerations).
It's a wonderful life these days for John Kerry. He sails Nantucket Sound in
"the Scaramouche," a 42-foot Hinckley powerboat. Martha Stewart has a similar
boat; the no-frills model reportedly starts at $695,000. Sen. Kerry bought it
new, for cash.
Every Tuesday night, the local politicians here that Kerry elbowed out of his
way on his march to the top watch, fascinated, as he claims victory in more
primaries and denounces the special interests, the "millionaires" and "the
overprivileged."
"His initials are JFK," longtime state Senate President William M. Bulger used
to muse on St. Patrick's Day, "Just for Kerry. He's only Irish every sixth
year." And now it turns out that he's not Irish at all.
But in the parochial world of Bay State politics, he was never really seen as
Irish, even when he was claiming to be (although now, of course, he says that
any references to his alleged Hibernian heritage were mistakenly put into the
Congressional Record by an aide who apparently didn't know that on his paternal
side he is, in fact, part-Jewish).
Kerry is, in fact, a Brahmin - his mother was a Forbes, from one of
Massachusetts' oldest WASP families. The ancestor who wed Ralph Waldo Emerson's
daughter was marrying down.
At the risk of engaging in ethnic stereotyping, Yankees have a reputation for,
shall we say, frugality. And Kerry tosses around quarters like they were
manhole covers. In 1993, for instance, living on a senator's salary of about
$100,000, he managed to give a total of $135 to charity.
Yet that same year, he was somehow able to scrape together $8,600 for a
brand-new, imported Italian motorcycle, a Ducati Paso 907 IE. He kept it for
years, until he decided to run for president, at which time he traded it in for
a Harley-Davidson like the one he rode onto "The Tonight Show" set a couple of
months ago as Jay Leno applauded his fellow Bay Stater.
Of course, in 1993 he was between his first and second heiresses - a time he
now calls "the wandering years," although an equally apt description might be
"the freeloading years."
For some of the time, he was, for all practical purposes, homeless. His friends
allowed him into a real-estate deal in which he flipped a condo for quick
resale, netting a $21,000 profit on a cash investment of exactly nothing. For
months he rode around in a new car supplied by a shady local Buick dealer. When
the dealer's ties to a congressman who was later indicted for racketeering were
exposed, Kerry quickly explained that the non-payment was a mere oversight, and
wrote out a check.
In the Senate, his liberal record of his constituent services has been
lackluster, and most of his colleagues, despite their public support, are
hard-pressed to list an accomplishment. Just last fall, a Boston TV reporter
ambushed three congressmen with the question, name something John Kerry has
accomplished in Congress. After a few nervous giggles, two could think of
nothing, and a third mentioned a baseball field, and then misidentified Kerry
as "Sen. Kennedy."
Many of his constituents see him in person only when he is cutting them in line
- at an airport, a clam shack or the Registry of Motor Vehicles. One talk-show
caller a few weeks back recalled standing behind a police barricade in 2002 as
the Rolling Stones played the Orpheum Theater, a short limousine ride from
Kerry's Louisburg Square mansion.
The caller, Jay, said he began heckling Kerry and his wife as they attempted to
enter the theater. Finally, he said, the senator turned to him and asked him
the eternal question.
posted on February 6, 2004 01:25:58 PM new
Oh Linda please.... When Bush really starts campaigning? he campaigns with the ultra rich behind closed doors. They have always limited his public exposure and always will to isolated dog and pony shows for which he can be extensively prepared.
To have the man frequently come out in public and expose himself to questions and have to speak extemporaneously is not going to happen because he looks silly when they allow him to do so.
The man speaks in incomplete or run-on sentances with words he makes up as he goes. Outside of a setting where everyone before him is an underling that has to yes sir him he is an embarrassment. It has taken four years of hard work for them to get rid of that deer-in-the-headlights look of panic whenever he had to speak publicly. He's still not up to the level you'd hope for in a small town city council meeting.
Anyone that can't see that is blinded by hero worship for the office and the party not the man.
posted on February 6, 2004 01:30:07 PM new
I don't want either of them! Both Bush and Kerry are wealthy, privileged, career politicians who have never known what it means to work two jobs just to get by and both are so tied to corporate interests ( -hey, it's not you and me who finance their multi-million-dollar campaigns) that there's no way, despite whatever kernels about health care or clean air or new meaningful jobs they toss to the crowds on the campaign trail, either of them will shake up The System in favor of middle-class Americans. And The Poor are out of the equation altogether, as always.
Once again, I'm looking at a presidential election year in which I may cast my precious vote for either sh!t or sh!t ala mode...
posted on February 6, 2004 02:00:14 PM new
So... who is watching Meet the Press this weekend?
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posted on February 6, 2004 02:10:32 PM new
I confess, I have to read transcripts of what George says; watching him smirk and bumble through his words makes me want to throw things at the TV. The way things are, I can't afford such luxury...
