posted on February 7, 2004 03:33:41 PM new
KC, interesting thought. I see the gang that's in now as a pack of rapacious looters picking the pockets of the middle class to enrich the corporate interests that donate the most money to their campaigns. It's far more overt than it has been since the Teapot Dome era.
Are the Democrats better? Hard to say. Clinton did sign Nafta. Bush signed the piece of crap pharmaceutical relief bill. They all get a lot of money from the same interests, but the Dems usually get less.
Helen, I think Pat should have scored higher on the idealism also.
You have the right to an informed opinion -Harlan Ellison
posted on February 8, 2004 01:50:43 AM new
Helen, You think so?
Snowy, I think your assessment is accurate and represents the agenda of the current administration! It's all about the $ and until it that fact changes, corporate donations will continue to corrupt the political system at every level. You can't vote it out, all of your options are after the $. What is one to do?
posted on February 8, 2004 06:25:16 AM newKcpick4u, No, I don't think so.
But if you want to titillate your neurons, you may enjoy reading this
Pat's theory "I recently posted in another thread here that John Kerry and George Bush have a tacit agreement to toss the 2004 election to George; I truly believe that, have never liked Kerry (based upon firsthand accounts I've been told about his Viet Nam service) , and don't expect for one minute that his "run" for the presidency is anything more than a sham."
posted on February 8, 2004 06:51:55 AM new
On the same site, you can read about such things as Black Market Nukes, a Nazi Dog and American Eugenics Program as related to Hitler's influence.
posted on February 8, 2004 07:21:03 AM new
John Kerry
John Kerry was born on December 11, 1943 at Fitzsimmons Military Hospital in Denver, Colorado, where his father, Richard, who had volunteered to fly DC-3's in the Army Air Corps in World War II, was recovering from a bout with tuberculosis. Not long after Sen. Kerry's birth, his family returned home to Massachusetts.
A graduate of Yale University, John Kerry entered the Navy after graduation, becoming a Swift Boat officer, serving on a gunboat in the Mekong Delta in Vietnam. He received a Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, and three awards of the Purple Heart for his service in combat.
By the time Senator Kerry returned home from Vietnam, he felt compelled to question decisions he believed were being made to protect those in positions of authority in Washington at the expense of the soldiers carrying on the fighting in Vietnam. Kerry was a co-founder of the Vietnam Veterans of America and became a spokesperson for the Vietnam Veterans Against the War -- Morley Safer would describe him as "a veteran whose articulate call to reason rather than anarchy seemed to bridge the call between the Abbie Hoffmans of the world and Mr. Agnew's so-called 'Silent Majority.'" In April, 1971, in testifying before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, he asked the question of his fellow citizens, "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?" Sen. Claiborne Pell, (D-R.I.) thanked Kerry, then 27, for testifying before the committee, expressing his hope that Kerry "might one day be a colleague of in this body."
Fourteen years later, John Kerry would have the opportunity to fulfill those hopes - serving side by side with Sen. Pell as a Member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. But in the intervening years, he found different ways to fight for those things in which he believed. Time and again, Kerry fought to hold the political system accountable and to do what he believed was right. As a top prosecutor in Middlesex County, Kerry took on organized crime and put the Number Two mob boss in New England behind bars. He modernized the District Attorney's office, creating an innovative rape crisis crime unit, and as a lawyer in private practice he worked long and hard to prove the innocence of a man wrongly given a life sentence for a murder he did not commit.
In 1984, after winning election as Lieutenant Governor in 1982, Kerry ran and was elected to serve in the United States Senate, running and winning a successful PAC-free Senate race and defeating a Republican opponent buoyed by Ronald Reagan's reelection coattails. Like his predecessor, the irreplaceable Paul Tsongas, Kerry came to the Senate with a reputation for independence -- and reinforced it by making tough choices on difficult issues: breaking with many in his own Party to support Gramm-Rudman Deficit Reduction; taking on corporate welfare and government waste; pushing for campaign finance reform; holding Oliver North accountable and exposing the fraud and abuse at the heart of the BCCI scandal; working with John McCain in the search for the truth about Vietnam veterans declared POW/MIA; and insisting on accountability, investment, and excellence in public education.
Sen. Kerry was re-elected in 1990, and again in 1996, defeating the popular Republican Governor William Weld in the most closely watched Senate race in the country. Now serving his fourth term, Kerry has worked to reform public education, address children's issues, strengthen the economy and encourage the growth of the high tech New Economy, protect the environment, and advance America's foreign policy interests around the globe.
John Kerry is married to Teresa Heinz. He has two daughters, Alexandra and Vanessa. Teresa Heinz has three sons, John, Andre, and Christopher. Senator Kerry lives in Boston.
posted on February 8, 2004 09:02:15 AM new
No, Snowy, not mirrors per se, more like distant cousins, politically. In terms of personal character and his ability to choose his friends a bit more wisely, I would like to believe Kerry has the upper hand. In fact, when I grudgingly cast my vote for him in November, it'll be with an eye toward getting rid of Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, and Rice. (Hey, that sounds like the name of a law firm, doesn't it? )
And, I do understand both Gravid's points and yours; the truth of them doesn't piss me off any less, though...
I want my country back, dammit!
And, nope, I haven't read that book, Snowy.
Helen, believe it or not, I came up with that theory all on my own while looking at a roster of Who's Who in Skull & Bones! Please don't go linking my name with imaginary sites.
In fact I had no idea that was *your* theory since you haven't stated one.
Helen
I don't really think those skull and bones guys mirror their infamous sounding fraternity name. You may be able to find one or two bad guys, such as George but that's true of any large organization.
posted on February 8, 2004 02:47:08 PM new You know, Helen, as a complete aside to the topic here, I lament that you and I will probably never meet in person. I have the feeling that we could have the most animated and interesting conversations -- over high-tea, of course -- about everything from Art to Zarathustra. Perhaps we could even forge a theory or two, heh...
posted on February 8, 2004 04:20:14 PM new
That would be fun! Tea for two with certain sensibilities.-not to be confused with sense. Ha Ha. I could wear my Ginsberg is God tee-shirt.
Seriously, I believe that I would enjoy that, Pat.
