posted on March 4, 2004 12:12:42 PM new
I've been wondering about this for quite awhile so I'll post it here. Linda, Bear and Twelvepole, is there anything that President Bush has done or plans to do that you aren't happy with?
After months and months of reading here, all I see is total almost blind devotion to him by you and a few others.
I find that even though people support a certain politician or party they usually speak out about things they don't like as nothing is ever perfect and I don't see any of you doing that.
posted on March 4, 2004 01:48:38 PM new
I am not Linda, Bear, or Twelve, but I'll say this; I don't like his 'pending' policy on prescription pain killers (oxycontin etc) as that (and has) drs under prescribing these for people that really need them, and its out of fear.
I'll try to think of other things
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posted on March 4, 2004 02:43:43 PM new
You didn't ask my opinion, so here it is anyway!
I do support the war, and have no objection to even expanding the scope. I think he's done an excellent job with the terrorism question.
I still think the economy stinks, but I blame that more on 9/11 than anything Bush did. Although the economy is not Bush's FAULT, He COULD be trying harder to fix things.
But it's in the area of scientific progress that Bush is a complete idiot.
1) Banning stem-cell research.
2) Banning cloning research.
3) The screwup of NASA funding for a silly Mars mission that will probably never happen.
4) The cancellation of the Hubble project.
Are just a couple off the top of my head. Our advances in science back in the 1940's and 1950's are what put us where we are today. He really wants to put our scientific research back in the dark ages, and if we don't get back on the bandwagon, we'll be there in a few more years.
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posted on March 4, 2004 03:05:47 PM new
Kiara - I've been wondering about this for quite awhile so I'll post it here. Linda, Bear and Twelvepole, is there anything that President Bush has done or plans to do that you aren't happy with?
I'd be more than happy to answer that question for you, because yes there have been a couple things I've stated over and over and over I don't agree with him on.
I'll do so as soon as you give me a couple things you aren't happy with that Kerry's proposing to do should he be elected.
I think the point that Kiara was making is that no one can be happy with everything any of them do.
Bush,Kerry makes no differance. In the end they all turn out to be nimrods.
posted on March 4, 2004 03:14:44 PM new
trai - That may be your 'take' on her question, but I don't see it that way. Otherwise she would have mentioned all politicans, not just those of us who support this President. But thank you for your opinion anyway.
posted on March 4, 2004 03:18:34 PM new
Hey NTS - I left it wide open for Kiara. Especially since Kerry keeps changing his positions...she could take any subject and argue it either way.
And yes, he's been in the Senate a long time. Has a record of hmmmmm I think maybe three bills he's presented that got passed in all those years.
posted on March 4, 2004 04:11:10 PM new
Thanks to all that have answered. Sorry, I didn't mean to limit opinions to just the three people I mentioned and I welcome all responses. I named the three because they stand out in my mind as completely devoted to President Bush. How can anyone be so totally devoted to a leader that they make it sound like he can do no wrong?
Linda, I didn't start this topic to debate Kerry and other politicians and I think you know that. (For what it's worth, I don't fully support any politicians). Now you sound like you're trying to avoid my question by veering off somewhere else (kind of like what politicians do) so I'll repeat it.
Is there anything that President Bush has done or plans to do that you aren't happy with?
posted on March 4, 2004 04:55:34 PM new
I don't fully support President Bush's immigration policies, however if I have to choose between his ideas on immigration or marriage, I will take him because at least he understands that marriage is between a man and a woman...
As Linda has already pointed out, Kerry will not stay on one side or the other... too wishy washy for my taste...
posted on March 4, 2004 05:14:47 PM new
Oh yeah, the immigration policies. Don't get me started no that one. That should have been on the top of my list.
NeatTheSea - I love the idea of going to Mars. But I don't believe it will happen anytime soon. Where is the excitement after Bush made this big announcement? Where is the specific timeline? Where is the good press? I think the whole thing was just politcal BS.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, we need to get off this rock. But I don't believe Bush is serious about it.
But this is a thread about Bush supporter's main complaints. I'd still vote for him in a heartbeat over Kerry, who has no solid stance on anything. He'll just say what the crowd in front of him wants to hear. Tomorrow he'll say something compleetely contradictory.
Vader/Palpatine in 2004. Get some order back into this old Republic!
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posted on March 4, 2004 06:42:43 PM new
A few things President Bush did that I didn't like were the steel tariffs, the guest worker plan which is pretty much amnesty for illegals, and increasing the budget for the NEA (what the hell??). I guess "artists" need more money to make paintings out of sh!t.
But Bush is doing a great job on everything else and so I cut him slack on the bad stuff. I understand he's got to throw the lefties some crumbs every once in a while.
posted on March 4, 2004 09:43:53 PM new
Kiara, O'll have to sit & ponder over that question. Back at you later.
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posted on March 5, 2004 10:22:10 AM new
Aside from Replay saying the economy stinks (which he blames more on 9/11 than Bush) and EAG mentioning the steel tariffs there isn't much said about jobs so I conclude that the ones who have answered feel quite secure with their present employment.
There aren't that many new jobs being created. Do any of you wonder about the future when there is so much outsourcing of jobs now? The "immigrants" from Mexico and South America will work for lower wages so that may have a big effect on remaining jobs. From what I've read they can also get into your universities quite easily and better themselves.
I know many of you agree with the war in Iraq, but to me it sounds like America will be at war forever and there will be one conflict after another now. This will be costly for all countries and it will be a huge debt that will be there forever. Aren't any of you concerned about that?
posted on March 5, 2004 10:36:01 AM new
Kiara, the only topic on which I disagree with President Bush is NAFTA & primarily in allowing Mexican trucks on US highways.
I have never seen a semi from Mexico that wasn't a danger in it self.
"An old, long-whiskered man once said to Teddy Roosevelt: 'I am a Democrat, my father was a Democrat, my grandfather was a Democrat.' Roosevelt then said: 'Then if your father had been a horse thief and your grandfather had been a horse thief, you would be a horse thief?'" --Will Rogers
there isn't much said about jobs so I conclude that the ones who have answered feel quite secure with their present employment.
That's something I've often wondered about too. How many here have lost their job since Bush was elected? Or even how many of them personally know people who have lost their jobs. Not just what they read in a paper or hear on the news.
But on that same subject if one looks at the US Department of Labor stats, one see's that the unemployment rate has been much higher than it is now, at different times in our recent history. To me, this is a cycle our economy goes through every-so-often.
There aren't that many new jobs being created. Do any of you wonder about the future when there is so much outsourcing of jobs now?
That's true....and why you see the division of those who support trade agreements like NAFTA and those who don't.
President Bush has been accused of giving the tax breaks to the rich. The other side believes that is the only thing that has caused this recession to turn around.
The "immigrants" from Mexico and South America will work for lower wages so that may have a big effect on remaining jobs. Yes, but as I've pointed out several times, NEITHER dems or reps have done anything about it. So that is a 'wash' when considering if one supports either canidate.
From what I've read they can also get into your universities quite easily and better themselves. Yes, that's why those on the 'right' have been screaming about ANY benefits going to illegals.
I know many of you agree with the war in Iraq, but to me it sounds like America will be at war forever and there will be one conflict after another now.
I don't see it that way and I think proof of that is being born out of what's happening in the ME because of our military actions there. Those leaders took note and have made changes because they're aware that Bush won't mess around if he feels we're being threatened in any way. So what I'm trying to say is that by seeing our 'strength/might' they're cooperating without having to go to war with them. Look to North Korea as a good example.
No, I think this president has handled the situation very well. Clinton was bribing NK so they wouldn't build NW....and then we found out they were anyway. So that 'talking the issue out' didn't work. Just as in all of life, some people respond better to communication, some respond better to force.
posted on March 5, 2004 11:23:56 AM new
Wasn't it President Bush's father who wanted NAFTA so bad?
Linda, reports are that there are close to 3 million private sector job losses since President Bush took office, the most job losses since WWII I believe.
Actually President Bush has aged lately and when I see him on TV he almost looks like he's taken a reality pill and some of that smug smirkiness seems to be gone. Both him and the First Lady always seemed to be somewhat like puppets, almost in a trance-like state when I viewed them. The First Lady still is, (someone here recently compared her to a Stepford wife) but President Bush has changed somewhat and I like him better this way. JMHO
Wasn't it President Bush's father who wanted NAFTA so bad? I believe it was Bush 1 that thought it would grow our economy, yes. But the credit goes to the one who was in office and signed the bill....that would be clinton. Our presidents do have veto power. He could have vetoed it if he didn't think it was a good plan.
Linda, reports are that there are close to 3 million private sector job losses since President Bush took office, the most job losses since WWII I believe. lol Yes, and according to which side of the political table you're on....those numbers can be argued different ways. But the fact remains that we have always gone by what the Dept of Labor Stats show....and they've been much worse.
Those on the left argue that all those jobs have been lost, agreed. But what you're not seeing is that we had a tech boom where many new jobs had been created. So what I'm saying is that the one's who filled those jobs [during those boom times] were the one's that had long ago fallen off the Dept of Labor stats when clinton was in office.
Those jobs were lost when the tech boom crashed. President Bush did not cause the tech industry to crash.
And some argue that some of those who have fallen off the DoL's rolls have gone into their own businesses.
Actually President Bush has aged lately and when I see him on TV he almost looks like he's taken a reality pill and some of that smug smirkiness seems to be gone. I fully agree with trai's statement. I've also observed all presidents come into off and leave grayer. They do have a huge load to deal with.
"'smug smirkiness' puppets, almost in a trance-like state
Stepford wife"
posted on March 5, 2004 02:01:00 PM newI conclude that the ones who have answered feel quite secure with their present employment.
Well since I don't hold a full time job any longer, I can only speak for my husband, who is one of the heads of IT at his work. Thats where I hear everyone saying IT work is being outsourced to India. Well he just signed another 2 year contract with the company, so he isn't being replaced by someone in India. So did everyone else in the IT dept. so it makes me wonder how correct all this info is. But this is just one company.... a very large one, but just one.
kiara, I think twelvepole may have been refering to Kraft, who is in Canada, but I'm sure she's heard that all before
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posted on March 5, 2004 06:13:56 PM newThat's something I've often wondered about too. How many here have lost their job since Bush was elected? Or even how many of them personally know people who have lost their jobs. Not just what they read in a paper or hear on the news.
Linda,I "personally know" three people who have lost their jobs since Bush was elected.
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posted on March 5, 2004 06:36:11 PM new
My brother's girlfriend got notice that she would be laid off in April. She did some job searching and she got three job offers right away. The job she accepted pays higher than her current job. She gave her boss one week's notice and he's PO'd.
I don't know anyone who is unemployed and I'm starting to wonder if democrats are exagerating unemployment.
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