posted on May 28, 2004 10:12:58 AM new
I hope all of you "big city" people get paid well. That basic new house around here would probably be around $130,000.
posted on May 28, 2004 10:48:09 AM new
cherished-your in Indiana? I have a HS friend that lives there, and I go to see her every once in awhile, she lives in a small town, Marion? if you've heard of that, closest I think 'big' town is Kokomo.
She called about 3 weeks ago, and we talked about the housing, and how different it is... how one of her friends in town is selling their home, for $30k 3 bd 2 bath!
She's lived here, and been here off and on, so she knows how much it is..it just surprises me, how low the prices are back there, and sometimes would love to live there, almost did move there!
Helen, yep they have those 'cardboard' type here, they all look alike, Mike calls them 'ticky tac' homes, from an old Gurthrie song
No, not a rich Republican, and this is not new, its in an older neighborhood, this house was built in 1959. As you go down our block, the end houses that have an enormous incredible view of Mt Rainier would sell for almost a million if not a million. We have views of the Cascade mtn range.. couldn't get the 'near the sea' when buying
posted on May 28, 2004 11:29:13 AM new
national builders have been building houses all over the country,north ,south ,east ,west from metro areas.
i live outside houston but commute to houston for errands,you can have a house for under 150k-2 storeys,3 bedroom,2 bath,2 car garage,large lot,i mean large 120x 60.
now they are building smaller ones-90k with brick front only,no dining area but still 3bedrooms,2 baths ,2 car garage a smaller backyard.
I have lived in my house for 2 years,no problem.
if you can stand the heat,sell your pricey Yankee homes and come down and pay cash for a home and still have money left over.
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Benjamin Franklin
Little boxes on the hillside
Little boxes made of ticky-tacky
Little boxes on the hillside
Little boxes all the same
There's the green one and the big one
And the blue one and the yellow one
And they're all made out of ticky-tacky
And they all look just the same
And the people in the houses
All went to the university
Where they work folding boxes
And they came out all the same
And there's doctors, and there's lawyers
And business executives
And they're all made out of ticky-tacky
And they all look just the same
And they all play on the golf course
And drink their martinis dry
And they all have pretty children
And the children go to school
And the children go to summer camp
And then to the university
When they're all folding boxes
And they come out all the same
And the boys go into business
And marry and raise a family
In boxes made of ticky-tacky
And they all look just the same
.....
See the beatniks in the Village
See the beatniks on MacDougal Street
See the beatniks in the Village
And they all look just the same
There's a tall one and a short one
And a white one and a Negro one
And they all go to the Village
And they all look just the same
And the boys all wear dungarees
And the girls all wear sandals
And they're all nonconformists
And they all dress just the same
And they go to the university
And they major in philosophy
And they're all deep thinkers
And they all think just the same
And they all read their Sartre
And they all read their Kierkegard
And they all talk about it
And they all sound just the same
And they all like folk music
and they dig Woody Guthrie
And just like Bob Dylan
They all sound the same
posted on May 28, 2004 11:53:10 AM new
Stop- the .com boom was not the main source of income in California - you seem to be forgetting the entertainment industry. I think people forget just how many different types of careers there are. Next time you watch a movie, take a look at the support credits. From set construction to lighting/sound to cgi and post production, marketing publicity graphics, not to mention all of the administrative/accounting support behind them. Now multiply that by the number of films made here every years and you can understand why the state invests so much to keep film production work in state. You are also mistaken if you actually believe that marketing job don't pay. There are actually some pretty silly salaries to be made in that field.
As for why prices are so high - because people are paying them. Who knows why but they are. And for poorly designed homes too. The 750K home my friend bought has the same square footage as my parents 300k home in the the west (BTW- I grew up in ski country - yeah I do know about wind chill and numb fingers). and while the guest bedroom is a nice sized room, the two other bedrooms are so small the only bed you could have in them and be able to move around is a twin.
BTW - A lot of experts have been predicting a crash in the California market in the next year or two. Home prices are too out of line with incomes and a lot of people bought homes they really could not afford because of the lower interest rates. New home starts are dropping as it is but any kind of drop in the local economy can send them plummeting as the market gets flooded with repossessions.
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posted on May 28, 2004 12:01:09 PM new
Helen, is that one you posted by Arlo Guthrie? I've heard it, but can't remember all the words, just Mike singing it and all the ticky tack house, how they all look the same, he knows the words to it
fenix, we have those poorly designed (and poorly constructed! ) homes here, seems like a whole subdivion will go up every couple months!
We looked, but he had his heart set on this..its an older established neighborhood, an older house, that has been updated, and kept up, but my heart was set for getting OUT into more country, but he still has to work in the city, and did not want to communte that far.
posted on May 28, 2004 12:18:12 PM new
fenix,
are u talking about the movie industry in LA,i am talking san francisco area??
when i was in new orleans,i ran into movie studios coming down here to shoot movies,boy ,were they cheap??
one guy told me they wanted to shoot his girlfriend house and they want the two to walk down the street,you will see the house and the two in the movie for 3 minutes,but they have to be on the scene for one whole day,you know how much the two plus the house made??
125 bucks.
100 for the house and 25 for the two.
they have been predicting the collapse of the real estate markets for years-ca,ny,honolulu,tokyo,london,hk,just wait,it may just come
-sig file -------we eat to live,not live to eat.
Benjamin Franklin
posted on May 28, 2004 12:35:38 PM new
Near - I actually understand his point of view. As someone that had to drive to do an LA commute and a Orange County to LA commute - I hate commuting. I love driving ... absolutely love it... but ther e is nothing more fustrating than being on a freway for 45 minutes and never getting out of third gear. I have road rage flash back just thhinking about it (I am absolutely a type A driver).
Now that I am in the middle of downtown I have no where to commute to (the only thing I cannot walk to is the shopping mall and the border, both of which I can get to via the trolley which I can walk to). I honestly think I would have a hard time getting used to not living in this type of situation again.
Oh yeah - older houses are by the best... except for the tiny bathrooms that is. I hate the new housing styles. They are so.... generic. They have no personality. Where is the cool molding, the arched doorways... my first apartment in LA even had the the old milk box by the kitchen door.
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posted on May 28, 2004 12:45:49 PM new
Stop - you keep saying "Californians" so I was referring to an industry that covers a great deal of the state. What you mean is "Bay Area". People in California kind of divide the state as though it were two different ones. There is Southern California and then there is Northern California. With the exception of the Bay Area, Northern California is much more affordable than Southern California.
Let me see if I get this right - your friends were offered the equivalent of 37.50 an hour for three minutes of walking in thhe background and you consider that to be cheap? and $100 for an image of their house.... How much do you think non skilled non speaking extras should be paid and are you willing to pay even more for cable, movie tickets and rentals in order to subsidize those expenses?
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posted on May 28, 2004 12:54:51 PM new
Don't know Helen, I'm sure it was the 'elder' Guthrie, but can't be certain
fenix, yep, those new homes they slap up, sure, they can be nice, have everything in them, but they put them up so fast, you gotta wonder how well they are constructed
We 'toured' a couple, and yes, they were nice, but they have no 'character' I guess that is what we were looking for, and of course, location!
Dang, this one, in the sellers contract, it didn't have a refrigrator, or washer and dryer, and we DID have those, but gave them to one of the girls, that needed them, so we had to go buy a new fridge, washer and dryer.
A house can be hell too, to keep up. Sometimes I kinda wish for an apartment!
posted on May 28, 2004 02:10:59 PM new
Near - you would be shocked! My step has a business as an outside inspector on new home builds.. People contract with him when they sign the contract on the build and he comes out at every stage of the build to inspect then makes a list of things that need to fixed that the homeowner gives the builder before they enter the next stage. There are some scary stupid things that end up on thse lists that are easy to just do right or fix in the early stages but quite costly later down the line. With things like mold issues now it's important for new home buyers to keep up on what is going on at every stage.
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posted on May 28, 2004 02:29:59 PM new
fenix,
the movie studio paid them 125-100 for the house and 25 for the two walking down the street.
But they were required to be on scene for an entire day and the taking and retaking.
so they worked for 10 hours each and made 12.50 per person.
thats comes to 1.25 per hour.
-sig file -------we eat to live,not live to eat.
Benjamin Franklin
posted on May 28, 2004 04:45:02 PM new
They should have just said no thank you.
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posted on May 28, 2004 07:33:01 PM new
NearTheSea - I'm a Hoosier. [maybe considered an x-hoosier by some after all these years....but I do go 'home' and visit what's left of my family.
They live in Grass Creek, Kokomo, Logan [logansport]...and many of the surrounding areas.
We almost retired there too....but decided the winters would be too harsh as we grew older.
posted on May 29, 2004 05:06:55 AM new
when i was in south bend ,Indiana,i met people from Kokomo,and what is that town next to South Bend,Mishiwaka??
There are towns with less than 500 population,and the only watering hole is the local car dealership .
How about Muncie ,Elkhart??.
Fort Wayne,Lafayette??
I went to school in West Lafayette,having a grill cheese sandwich for lunch at the student union was highlight of the day!!!!!!
-sig file -------we eat to live,not live to eat.
Benjamin Franklin
posted on May 29, 2004 07:40:27 AM new
The house business is booming in S.E.Wisconsin. Illinois buyers are coming in bunches. They even have their own subdivisions. Houses range from $200,00. and above, but also the land is expensive. They come here because they get more house for their buck but really get socked in Taxes. Wisconsin is a very high tax state. Then winter comes and the heating bills are out of this world. I can't imagine how they can afford their mortgage and all the utilities besides. It is tough to sell a older home because everyone wants new and by the looks of some of the new I would consider a older one. I think they are better built.
There sure is a mix of posters in here and it is nice read about the areas where you live. I have never been to California and I doubt I ever will. I am a Midwesterner and I love it here. Raised in Northern Minnesota it is tough to have Christmas without snow. If I had my choice I would like to live in New Orleans. I know there is a lot of problems there but something about that town really intrigues me.
posted on May 29, 2004 03:30:05 PM new
Hey Linda! So your from Indy huh? I liked it, I'm strange in that I like the t-storms and stuff. Since we (normally) don't get that kind of weather, in this past month, in WA state we've had SIX tornados and I believe 2 touched down, one ripped up a barn, that is unusual for here.
All I know is her town is Marion, and she doesn't live in town, they live out, and have like 2000 acres of soybeans and corn, and like 1000 head of hog. They had a very active neat farm, and we would ride in those colunbines (sp?) and last I was there, they had bought a 2nd one at the price of $200K!
But housing and land is cheap where they are. We did go to Kokomo. And I came in at the Ft Wayne airport. We also drove up to Indianapolis, that took a couple hours, and we went the other way to Kentucky that took awhile also. But it was fun.
other than that, don't ask, I got lost going to the store from her house LOL!
New orleans is not safe,too much poverty,the kind of hopeless poverty,no job,no prospect,no education,no skill.
a lot of rundown houses,poor people sitting outside just staring,older folks who dont have money to fix up their grand old house,people wear clothes with stains and wrinkle,the banana tree with wilted leaves,the musky odor when you walk into a house.
But there is something which is different,may be it is a combination of the hot weather ,the mixed carribean/cajun/old south heritage,you walk down the street and you see a funeral procession of jazz players and people dancing ,you ride the street car to french quarter and you see hundred of tourists holding beer bottle in their hand marching down royal street so they can go home and tell their friends they have been to the famous french quarter,the napoleon house and the jazz concert.
I know why the students enroll in Tulane univerisity,so they can party and drink beer,it is their last chance to sponge off their parents in a big way,so why not live it up!!
Go to Big Easy someday,it should be good for a week.
-sig file -------we eat to live,not live to eat.
Benjamin Franklin
posted on May 29, 2004 08:51:14 PM new
I have been there a couple of times in the past 3 years. Once we stayed on our way to Florida and the next time for a week. We didn't stay in New Orleans but a town north about 40 miles and drove in because they said staying at a Motel and leaving your car out could be a disaster. I couldn't believe the size of the bugs on the walls, that did not impress me. I loved the old homes and the gardens. Cemeteries were impressive, jazz players on street corners and just walking around. I was at the Mardi Gras before segregation. but that was a long time ago...
