posted on July 19, 2004 08:28:56 AM new
Down here they've discovered something called pfisteria (sp*) - you've heard of it right, Helen? (always sounded like a good rock band name to me...lol)
But it's some horrific bacteria (or sumthin)in the water and in the fish! I know in NJ, they've had problems for years...but it only gets brought up every once in awhile, but usually not in the summer as thats big time shore travel & commerce.
posted on July 19, 2004 08:34:33 AM new
twelve,
walmart comes into this thread when i asked what should the fisherman do,if he does not fish??
i dont know about your brother or someone who lives comfortably on 11.50 an hour,i am sure there are some folks who do.
Aren't exceptions supposed to confirm the rule?/The rule is that most people cannot afford a home and 2 cars on 11.50 an hour,i am not talking about folks who bot the house long ago and their payment is like 67 dollars a month?/
i am not talking about a wife who stays home and has a trust fund which provides extra income??
i am not talking about some couples who get subsidised by their parents ??\
Bill gates dropped out of school and look at him now??Does that mean all dropouts would be worth 50 billions some day??
We can all spin stories on how some eat well on 50 cents a day?? or travel like millionaire on 10 dollars a day??
Or dress like a supermodel with thrift shop wardrobe.
My take on fish and fishing is that fish is a commodity ,at least it is replenisbale,not like copper or zinc or oil??
We will just have to live without,what about the elephants,lions,tigers etc??
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Benjamin Franklin
posted on July 19, 2004 08:42:59 AM new
by the way,someone mentioned the japanese as being big fisheaters.
Japan is an island or many islands and seafood is a major staple,not just fish but seaweeds,sea urchin,seamoss,crab,shrimp,abalone,clams etc.
Back in the old days,there was not that much beef,pork or chicken.
In the 50s,you will find on the supermarket shelf a can of whale meat with a picture of a cow,making consumers think they are buying beef.
AJI MOTO is white crystal MSG which is used every meal,why??Because a lot of their food is tasteless,seaweed,seamoss just dont taste as good as chicken.
Go to japan some days and see how they live,what they eat and how much they pay for food.
They dont overeat and wonder why their clothes wont fit!!
-sig file -------we eat to live,not live to eat.
Benjamin Franklin
posted on July 19, 2004 09:40:26 AM new
What is really neet about lakes in the upper regions of Wisconsin and Minnesota is that there is wild rice besides the fish. What made me think of that is the post on Japan.
In Minnesota only the Indians have rights to wild rice but in Wisconsin anyone can rice and many do that as this is a delicacy. Makes for a good dinner Wild Rice and Baked Fish.
posted on July 19, 2004 09:53:31 AM new
Neroter, there's a very good description of pfiesteria here. It causes massive fish kills and affects people who swim and work in the area where the pfiesteria live. Yes, it's in our area. Apparently, eating the fish won't cause illness.
"Pfiesteria piscicida, a microbe, normally exists in rivers and bays in nontoxic forms, feeding on algae and bacteria. Scientists believe that this tiny creature becomes toxic only in the presence of fish, when Pfiesteria cells release a powerful poison that stuns fish and attacks their skin, causing bleeding sores. The attacking cells then feed on the fish tissues and blood. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency estimates that millions of fish are killed this way each year."
"As to Pfiesteria's affects on human health, evidence suggests that exposure to waters or airborne vapors where toxic forms of Pfiesteria are active may cause memory loss, confusion and a variety of other symptoms including skin sores and respiratory and gastro-intestinal problems. However, Pfiesteria is not a virus, fungus or form of bacteria. It is not contagious or infectious, and cannot be "caught" like a cold or flu — and there is no evidence that Pfiesteria-related illnesses are associated with the consumption of fish."
posted on July 19, 2004 09:56:44 AM new
after heavy rainfall,you will find a certain mushroom called wood ears on tree stumps.
Pick them fresh or dry them and keep them in a jar,they are edible and make a good vegetarian dish.
-sig file -------we eat to live,not live to eat.
Benjamin Franklin
posted on July 19, 2004 11:21:03 AM new
Thanks for the link, Helen! I will revisit it when I get a chance.
I just remember we went to the bay days festival and some ecological people had a booth there. They were handing out info on it and at the time, I did read up on it. Sounds awfully gory for the fish!! I must have been misinformed that I that thought it was transferable.
posted on July 19, 2004 11:39:06 AM new
I haven't seen a house under $100,000 in Portland unless it is falling apart and located next to a toxic waste dump. Seriously, the housing market here is so outrageous. A tiny 2 bedroom house costs a minimum of $125K, and you better hope you end up next to a decent school for your kids to go to. I had a guy come into our shop yesterday telling me he paid $35K in the 70's for his house, and just sold it for $625K. Unbelievable!
I find it funny that the article points to the Japanese first. American diets pale in comparison to the healthy diets of Japanese, and this is because they eat seafood. They are a small island country who has depended on fish their entire existence. The squeeze for fish is across the world. Americans down canned tuna at an incredible rate. We are also one of the largest consumers of wheat and corn. Wait until we discover our farming cannot maintain pace with the population.
Ironically, higher intelligence seems to be the disease that will lead us straight to non-existence quicker than if humans didn't walk the earth. With all of the technology we have developed, we have yet to comprehend sustainability. Instead, we make a better, faster product to consume and process quicker.
posted on July 19, 2004 12:42:33 PM new
Stop - the strawberry farmer made his money over and over and I am sure in the time he had those fields he made as much or more than what he sold the land for. The only problem he had he had to hire people to work for him and he probably didn't want to do that. Now I can't say that for sure but his strawberries were out of this world. They came from miles away to pick there, but not any more. Now we have to buy the ones in the supermarket and we never know where they come from.
posted on July 19, 2004 12:43:33 PM newIronically, higher intelligence seems to be the disease that will lead us straight to non-existence quicker than if humans didn't walk the earth. With all of the technology we have developed, we have yet to comprehend sustainability. Instead, we make a better, faster product to consume and process quicker.
I couldn't agree more. The only time sustainability will become a national priority is when we are hit squarely in the lifestyle or the pocketbook. As long as we can afford it, nothing else really matters.
I believe I mentioned the Japanese. I did so not out of any cultural bias, but because they are the planet's second largest consumers of fish; behind China and ahead of the US.
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posted on July 19, 2004 01:32:58 PM new
throat and stomach cancer rates are high in japan-many of their traditional food cured in brine ,their instant noodles preserved with chemical are the major culprits.
-sig file -------we eat to live,not live to eat.
Benjamin Franklin
posted on July 19, 2004 02:58:49 PM new
Cheryl I didn't want this to get off onto wages and standards of life....
I should not of responded to stopwhining's post....
But based on this article, fishing has got to have th elaws enforced and possible some new protections provided....
Japan, is a major seafood eater, however their portions are half of ours here...
posted on July 19, 2004 03:03:36 PM new
mackerel,bonito fish are more common staple for the japanese,not tuna or salmon.
Tuna,salmon are delicacy .
try squid and octopus.
now you guys make me hungry,i think i will have tempura lunch box this week.
-sig file -------we eat to live,not live to eat.
Benjamin Franklin
posted on July 19, 2004 03:18:48 PM new
I prefer Unagi (smoked eel), and salmon rolls, though I rarely get a chance to eat sushi since it is so expensive.
We've been buying alot of Sockeye Salmon these past few weeks up here in the Northwest. I'm not a big fish eater, but this salmon is really good. I can't wait until the Copper River Salmon comes available.
It happens sometimes. One topic just sort of blends into another. I'm glad for this non-political topic even if it is a discouraging one.
Lake Erie is full of fish. However, they are not safe to eat due to contamination from PCB's (Polychlorinated Biphenyls). In fact, it's sad but you cannot eat 16" or larger Channel Cat Fish at all. The smaller ones you can only eat once every 2 months. Chinook Salmon 19" and over, Coho Salmon,Common Carp, Freshwater Drum, Smallmouth Bass, Steelhead Trout, Walleye 23" and over, White Bass, Whitefish, and White Perch can only be eaten once a month. Lake Erie, from what I understand because I don't eat it, used to have great fish for eating. The biggest problem for Lake Erie is that it is so shallow. The bacteria levels get very high in the summer months.
A lot of our lakes and rivers contain fish that is not suitable for eating due to pollution. So, it's even more tragic that we are depleting the ocean of its fish.
posted on July 19, 2004 03:39:36 PM new
rustygumbo,
i have tasted copper river salmon twice already,samples at local supermarket.
I remember living in chicago and getting pike fish,perch and smelts.
our builders have starter home at 90k,3 bedroom with den and 2 baths,2 car garage,no dining room,not a bad deal.
The state also offers 7k for anyone who income qualifiy buying a home under 2 years old,i suspect some of the for sale signs are from people who took advantage of that 7k assitance and yet cant really afford to maintain a home.
-sig file -------we eat to live,not live to eat.
Benjamin Franklin
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