posted on July 28, 2004 05:44:40 PM new
Linda: This is tiresome. Any rising star who is not a right-winger is labeled--first as a "radical leftie," then as "more radical than ____"(you fill in the blank--the last "more radical" person). You seem bereft of thoughtful adjectives.
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"Our dilemma is that we hate change and love it at the same time; what we really want is for things to remain the same, but better."
- Sidney J Harris
posted on July 28, 2004 06:33:23 PM new
roadsmith -
Not as tiresome as seeing that the democratic party appears to have lost touch with almost everyone of their moderate supporters here on these threads. That's why you see me calling so many radical - they ARE.
Here's just one of Obama's ideas that I see as being radical.
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Obama's turn in the legislature has been footnoted with radical initiatives. He was co-sponsor to the most radical pro-homosexual legislation to be put forward in the Illinois state senate - SB101.
The bill actually attempted to have homosexual, lesbian, bisexual, and trans-gendered individuals added to the Illinois civil rights act. This bill would have equated active homosexual behavior to the same status as being born with African, Latino, or Asian, DNA.
It also would have opened the door to "Homosexual Affirmative Action" allowing people preference in jobs, housing, or even getting married - because of homosexual behavior.
On his campaign web-site Obama had posted his clear intentions of furthering this agenda.
Now that attention to his stated position is being scrutinized - mysteriously his position on this issue has been expunged from the site at present. And on radio talk shows he has affirmed his support for same-sex marriage and his opposition to idea of protecting traditional marriage.
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"The War on Terror will not be won until America is united. And as long as Democrats target the Bush administration -- not the terrorists -- as the enemy, we are in trouble." --Oliver North
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posted on July 28, 2004 08:18:29 PM new
Linda, did he say why he supports same-sex marriage? I guess I will mosey over to the site and see what he has to say.
posted on July 28, 2004 08:39:01 PM new
Linda, It's bizarre, don't you think to use Obama's opinion about same sex marriage as an excuse to call him a "radical leftie". Actually, even conservative Republicans are referring to Obama as conservative.
Here is a conservative Republican's opinion of the speech. Of course I don't agree with everything this Republican has to say but it may give you good reason to reconsider your assesment of Obama's political position.
Andrew Sullivan, A conservative Republican's opinion.
OBAMA'S DEBUT: I don't know enough about Barack Obama to judge whether he will be a good senator on a range of issues, but from his speech tonight, it's hard to think he has anything but a stellar future. What he emphasized was another theme of this conservative convention: that the country must and can unite. It's a brilliant maneuver to pose as (and exemplify, in some cases) a force to overcome the divisions within the country, divisions that make all of us frayed and often testy in a time of grave danger. America is deeply thirsty for a black leader who is first and foremost an American leader; and for any leader who can reach out to both sides of the culture war. Obama struck many conservative notes: of self-reliance, of opportunity, of hard work, of an immigrant's dream, of the same standards for all of us. Which Republican couldn't say exactly the following words:
"This year, in this election, we are called to reaffirm our values and commitments, to hold them against a hard reality and see how we are measuring up, to the legacy of our forbearers, and the promise of future generations."
Burke in a sentence. Obama also found, I think, the best anti-war formulation for the Democrats. here it is:
"When we send our young men and women into harm's way, we have a solemn obligation not to fudge the numbers or shade the truth about why they're going, to care for their families while they're gone, to tend to the soldiers upon their return, and to never– ever– go to war without enough troops to win the war, secure the peace, and earn the respect of the world. Now let me be clear. We have real enemies in the world. These enemies must be found. They must be pursued – and they must be defeated. John Kerry knows this."
So the anti-Bush argument is framed in terms of defending our troops. I also think that the term "shade the truth" is far more defensible rhetoric against the White House than the cant about lying and misleading the country. I still don't believe there was any deliberate shading of any truth. But it's a deft way of laying into the administration while not sounding like Michael Moore.
BEYOND RACE: Domestically, Obama's appeal is even stronger. He framed his belief in government with a defense of self-reliance and conservative values. It's a Clintonite formula, delivered with Blairite sincerity:
"The people I meet – in small towns and big cities, in diners and office parks – they don't expect government to solve all their problems. They know they have to work hard to get ahead – and they want to. Go into the collar counties around Chicago, and people will tell you they don't want their tax money wasted, by a welfare agency or the Pentagon. Go into any inner city neighborhood, and folks will tell you that government alone can't teach kids to learn – they know that parents have to parent, that children can't achieve unless we raise their expectations and turn off the television sets and eradicate the slander that says a black youth with a book is acting white.
No, people don't expect government to solve all their problems. But they sense, deep in their bones, that with just a change in priorities, we can make sure that every child in America has a decent shot at life, and that the doors of opportunity remain open to all. They know we can do better. And they want that choice.
Conservative values, Democratic compassion. In the constant churn and dialectic of American politics, this is a new fusion - and the Dems have found a young, racially diverse, eloquent voice. Can you think of any current Republican with that kind of fresh appeal and smart politics? Only Arnold comes close. The Republicans would love to have someone of Obama's caliber - but they have failed to attract them. That is their tragedy, and it is only deepened in a party that gave rise to Trent Lott and Tom DeLAy. Obama is the Democrats' hope. Heck, he is the hope for all of us.
posted on July 28, 2004 09:02:12 PM new
Linda_K you are without reason the biggest lier and spreader of half truths on this board. That is way not many people believe a word you say any longer. I remember one of your posts awhile ago about how you didn't want your money spent on after school activities. Geo.Bush has pulled money or tried to pull money away from a lot of programs for the needy and middle class (like trying to outlaw overtime pay) you agreed with it all. You asked me WHAT I HAVE AGAINST corporations. Like the ones that outsourced thousands of American jobs for no better reason than to make more money. Ha Ha Ha.
Your post about Barack Obama shows once again you have no idea what a truly classy person is. This is the last time I am going to reply to you about this post. Simply put I have better things to do and much classier people to talk with.
posted on July 28, 2004 10:11:24 PM newActually, even conservative Republicans are referring to Obama as conservative.
Actually maybe that one person........but others don't see voting *to the left* of kerry, h. clinton and ted kennedy as being conservative.
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3/22/2004 9:43:00 AM
By Thomas Roeser - Chicago Sun-Times
Tuesday, after I voted, a Barack Obama volunteer pumped my hand and thanked me for the kind article I wrote about the state senator, which Obama put on his campaign Web site.
Interesting, I said. I wrote that I liked Obama personally, and while I wouldn't vote for him, he has ''an understated charisma.'' I wrote that, like the old song says, ''There's something in the way he moves me.'' All during the primary campaign I wondered what it is. Now I know.
Before we get to that:
Obama is the most liberal -- let me say definitively the most extremely liberal candidate -- to run for the Senate in Illinois history. If he were to go to the Senate, he would be the most liberal senator in that body. You want a comparison?
Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, the likely Democratic presidential nominee, has just been judged the most liberal senator in the United States, according to the latest ratings by the National Journal, which has just ranked all the senators on 32 economic, 15 social policy and 15 foreign policy issues.
Kerry is rated No. 1 in 2003, and his Massachusetts colleague, Sen. Edward Kennedy, is No. 11.
Now, as liberal as Kerry is, he voted for the war in Iraq; Obama would not have. Moreover, once the troops got to Iraq, Obama would not have supported the $87 billion the president requested for reconstruction of Iraq and Afghanistan, which also supported the troops there. Kerry says he would have supported it if it were accompanied by a tax hike to pay for the $87 billion. Obama's position has been a flat no -- and once again is to the left of Kerry. In opposing the funding for troops, Obama was the only candidate in the Illinois Democratic field (an extremely liberal field) to take the position.
Underscoring the extremism of his position: Even Wisconsin's Russ Feingold and Illinois' Dick Durbin, severe critics of the war, voted for this troop assistance.
In addition, if elected, Obama may well be the only senator in the United States who is pledged to cut U.S. missile defense system research by as much as $10 billion. In addition, he would cut the Javelin Missile program by $440 million.
He has stated flatly that the war on terrorism is not his immediate priority. When the Sun-Times asked what his top priority is, he responded ''health care.'' (GOP nominee Jack Ryan said it is the war on terrorism.) Asked by this newspaper whether he would vote to make permanent the Bush tax cuts, Obama declared no. He has spoken about the need to provide tax relief for ''working'' or ''middle class'' families but has not defined what income brackets he means.
It is clear that the nomination of Barack Obama gives the Illinois Senate contest a national dimension.
Obama himself has certified it by declaring -- almost alone among the Democratic candidates -- that he will run his campaign in opposition to President Bush. That means the issue here will be whether we support the war or cut and run.
The election will be of major significance, but not, as the media suggest, because Obama is an African American.
Blacks have served in the U.S. Senate before, including one from Illinois. Obama wants it to be a referendum of Bush's war on terror. So let it be. An Obama win will be seen as an affirmation by voters of Illinois -- ranking with the election in Spain -- that the war is wrong and we should pull out, a pretext of radical change in the nation's anti-terrorism course.
On Election Day when the Obama volunteer greeted me with good words about my article, I was thoughtful. Something in the way Obama moves me.
In it I wrote, ''he has the kind of quiet voltage when he walks into a room -- and when he spoke -- all quieted to hear what he had to say.'' I know what moves me now: Worry. Obama's victory would signify abandonment of our troops as with Vietnam, and write ''failure'' to all that has gone before.
The Sun-Times Company
Jack Ryan For Senator
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"One thing is for sure: the extremists have faith in our weakness. And the weaker we are, the more they will come after us." --Tony Blair
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"The War on Terror will not be won until America is united. And as long as Democrats target the Bush administration -- not the terrorists -- as the enemy, we are in trouble." --Oliver North
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While others in the Democratic Party have rejected the "liberal" moniker, Obama embraces it as he campaigns against "the radical conservatism that has hijacked the Republican Party."
Instead of fretting about moving the party towards the center to attract what is left of the undecided vote, Obama offers an agenda that recalls the New Deal -- but he does so in a distinctly modern manner that his fans say helps him appeal to colleagues and constituents beyond fellow progressives and African-Americans.
"He has restored 'liberal' to the vocabulary," said Abner Mikva, a former federal judge and congressman who now teaches law at the University of Chicago.
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"The War on Terror will not be won until America is united. And as long as Democrats target the Bush administration -- not the terrorists -- as the enemy, we are in trouble." --Oliver North
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Those are only two reasons why we need to:
Re-elect President Bush!!
[ edited by Linda_K on Jul 28, 2004 10:51 PM ]
posted on July 28, 2004 10:42:26 PM new
QUOTE OF THE DAY
From July 27 CNS.com article entitled, "Unlike Kerry, Barack Obama Covets George Soros' Support":
"Barack Obama and his liberal voting record have gotten a free ride." ~ Jason Gerwig, spokesman, Illinois Republican Party
"He's more of a socialist than he is even a Democrat. A lot of his policies have the government taking care of people. Instead of giving people a leg up, he would rather give them a leg.... He's turned into being this darling, but he still hasn't had to talk about the issues.... Until we have a Senate candidate, if we have one, no one's going to know how liberal he is until he starts casting votes." ~ Cathy Santos, co-founder of the Chicago-based Republican Young Professionals
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Like the ones that outsourced thousands of American jobs for no better reason than to make more money.
On kerry's plan not going to make a difference on jobs.
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"One thing is for sure: the extremists have faith in our weakness. And the weaker we are, the more they will come after us." --Tony Blair
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Those are only two reasons why we need to:
Re-elect President Bush!!
[ edited by Linda_K on Jul 28, 2004 11:06 PM ]
posted on July 28, 2004 11:45:34 PM new
Yup, he's LIBERAL LIBERAL LIBERAL !!!!And he may be president someday YEAH!
I love a good strong LIBERAL! Ain't NOTHIN' wrong with that !
What a guy! What a speech! He certainly is going places and all the neocon righties in the world can't stop him!
He's got looks, brains, charisma, talent, is an excellent diplomat, a big heart, courage,
humility, purpose, a great resume and if that ain't enough a smart, drop-dead gorgeous wife and two of the cutest kids I've ever seen.
Rant on , oh , rabid, hate filled, negative neocons .....here's a freight train you can't stop and it's comin' right at ya!!
posted on July 29, 2004 02:11:59 AM new
Linda, I dont know him. But I am suspicious of anyone who comes right out with supporting gay marriage ONLY because I think they are trying to harness the gay vote. I would like to know what he really thinks of the issue and what motivates him to feel so? Does he have a gay best friend? Brother? Sister? What is his personal experience with it?
I also think they are positioning him because he fits some idealic "White-mans -black-man" in a white mans world, role.
Notice, none of the demos said anything about Sharpton's speech? Like this one they are embarassed of? Well, I'm not. Okay, so he's set off some alarms in his past...but none of them can speak to black people like he can!! He came from real poverty. He knows it. If he's too blunt - and if the truth of the matter is too blunt, then thats too bad. All these whitebread upper class democrats on their computers are only thinking about themselves. The loss of their middle class jobs, etc. etc. They are not interested in the real poverty class because its too damn ugly, even for them. I particularly like how he spoke of hispanics and said, nobody told them they had to learn English before they got shipped off to Iraq with the other soliders. - End of rant.
posted on July 29, 2004 04:08:22 AM new
Yup, he's liberal....you're not
he's intelligent ....you're not
he's articulate .....you're not
he's open to change..you're not
he's young ..........you're not
he's influencial ....you're not
he cares about people ..you don't
You dear lady are what is wrong with this country, hateful, greedy, paranoid and full of yourself. You can take off your pointy hat people are hip to your game.
And in case you are in denial this is addressed to you Linda
posted on July 29, 2004 06:36:20 AM new
Quote from Linda's post:
"""""""Something in the way Obama moves me.
In it I wrote, ''he has the kind of quiet voltage when he walks into a room -- and when he spoke -- all quieted to hear what he had to say.'' I know what moves me now: Worry. Obama's victory would signify abandonment of our troops as with Vietnam, and write ''failure'' to all that has gone before.
The Sun-Times Company
"""""""""Jack Ryan For Senator """""""""
She quotes people who are promoting ousted sexual animal political opponent !!!!!
What a fair and impartial article !!!
Hey, ding brain I thought you didn't like politicians who had sex?
posted on July 29, 2004 06:41:04 AM new
Linda: Not as tiresome as seeing that the democratic party appears to have lost touch with almost everyone of their moderate supporters here on these threads
Linda, here is what the Republican party supposedly stands fo
The first official Republican meeting took place on July 6th, 1854 in Jackson, Michigan. The name "Republican" was chosen because it alluded to equality and reminded individuals of Thomas Jefferson's Democratic-Republican Party.
Republicans have a long and rich history with basic principles: Individuals, not government, can make the best decisions; all people are entitled to equal rights; and decisions are best made close to home.
For a long time Republicans have been known as the "G.O.P." And party faithfuls thought it meant the "Grand Old Party." But apparently the original meaning (in 1875) was "gallant old party." And when automobiles were invented it also came to mean, "get out and push."
Seems the Republicans don'tbelieve in equality or equal rights any more.
"Get out and Push" - We will be doing that if Bush has his way with oil prices.
I also think they are positioning him because he fits some idealic "White-mans-black-man" in a white mans world, role. Notice, none of the demos said anything about Sharpton's speech?
I agree with your 'take' above. Obama fits the 'mold' better for many... easier to accept ...more educated... raised in a much more affluent lifestyle - not the 'norm'...and not so 'rough' around the edges. Big difference between a 'been there - done that' lifestyle and just observing/being told how it is.
Almost every conservative article I've read about Obama does give him accolades on how well he articulates his views. And some pointed out that he offers people a dream/hope of what many people wish for....more unity.
A point I was trying to make was that a leopard can't change it's spots. One can be a smooth talker and still hold political positions that are extreme and will not help unify anything. A politician is not going to unify a Nation nor even their own party when their positions are too far to either side of the spectrum. Like clinton running as a centralist, not a polarizing ultra-liberal. Like kerry is working at now....presenting himself as more 'central' in the areas that are of concern to most Americans.
But no matter where a politician says they stand on the issues - while they're running for office - their voting record, imo, speaks the real truth and makes it easier to judge just how far one way or the other they lean.
But to pretend/suggest that we're aren't a divided nation - politically - is to avoid acknowledging the way things really are today. Not a thing wrong with being hopeful and offering hope to others....but being realistic is important too.
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posted on July 29, 2004 09:40:39 AM new
Believe it or not, Linda there is a United States of America. There are people who don't believe in the division that I believe you have exaggerated. His message was a positive effort to spread that unification. Don't embrace the negative pessimism so easily. In your pessimistic view, there is only one side or else you're a traitor or an anti-American. That's not true.
As Obama spoke to his audience - representative of the United States he saw people ...liberals and conservatives united...blacks and whites united with Latinos and Asians. There were patriots who opposed the war in Iraq and patriots
who supported it united and as he pointed out ALL pledging allegiance to the United States of America.
posted on July 29, 2004 10:02:36 AM new
....And, lindak, you should know that people can be united without being in agreement all the time. Anyone who has been united in marriage can tell you that. LOL!
posted on July 29, 2004 10:06:15 AM newThere are people who don't believe in the division that I believe you have exaggerated.
Yea right....that's why this nation is about equal in whether they're going to vote for Bush...a moderate conservative...or kerry an ultra-liberal.
They're divided on which direction they want this country to take. That's the reality of the situation....not the way some WISH it to be.
And the dem party is divided too....amongst themselves...those who are ultra-liberal and those you are more moderate.
That would be the dems who support protecting this country...those who don't [Obama]. Those dems who are for gun control [Obama] and those who aren't. Those dems who are pro-abortion [Obama], those who are anti-abortion or at least anti-late term abortions [clinton, kennedy] and those who aren't. Dems who support our actions in Iraq those who don't [like Obama]. I could go on. They're also divided on how much socialism they want to see in America.
His message was a positive effort to spread that unification.
Can't spread what's not there. Can only encourage it to become that way.
Don't embrace the negative pessimism so easily. In your pessimistic view, there is only one side or else you're a traitor or an anti-American. That's not true.
Pessimism is the dem side of the aisle....not the rep side. And you're speaking views I've never expressed again helen. There are many dems I don't see in the same light I do people who support YOUR ultra-leftist views. Many. I believe they support their country. Not all dems are like you.
As Obama spoke to his audience - representative of the United States he saw people ...liberals and conservatives united...blacks and whites united with Latinos and Asians.
Yes, how HE sees it. Not as it really is.
[i]There were patriots who opposed the war in Iraq and patriots
who supported it[/i].
Agreed. But there are also different levels of those who opposed it. Like you...the ones who, from the beginning....after we'd just arrived in Iraq....who wanted us to 'ADMIT DEFEAT' and get out. That's NOT supporting your country and the decisions made by those elected to represent us. No way is admitting defeat...supporting your country.
as he pointed out ALL pledging allegiance to the United States of America. Nope.....as I said above....there are many Americans who support the burning/destruction of our flag....as you do. There are many who refuse to pledge allegiance to our Nation. Those are NOT patriots in any way shape or form.
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Linda, You still miss the point that Obama made. No matter what your political party or race or your feelings about Bush policy or how you define a patriot, we are all still united as Americans. You, for example, don't have the right to decide who is or is not an American based on your narrow definition of what is right. It's opinions such as your's that serve to divide rather than unite.
posted on July 29, 2004 10:31:13 AM newYou, for example, don't have the right to decide who is or is not an American based on your narrow definition of what is right. It's opinions such as your's that serve to divide rather than unite.
Helen
I most certainly do have the right to decide for myself who is or is not an American...and who is un-American in my view. As does everyother American.
An on my views serving to divide rather than unite our Nation......yea..... and your taking the side of our so called allies...your constant statements about everything our country does wrong....sure helps to unite us all.
Get real helen - come back down to earth - deal with the reality of where the citizens of this country stand. It's NOT united....even though as I have stated we will face our enemies together....we will all suffer their wrath together....doesn't mean we're united. We're VERY much divided on how to deal with that threat. But, in my eyes, the moderate dems haven't lost all sense of reality and aren't pretending these problems are just going to be 'wished' away.
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posted on July 29, 2004 10:45:52 AM new
Helen, give up ....Lalalinda is talking in circles again.....
"your constant statements about everything our country does wrong....sure helps to unite us all.
Get real helen - come back down to earth - deal with the reality of where the citizens of this country stand. """It's NOT united"""....even though as I have stated we will face our enemies together....we will all suffer their wrath together....doesn't mean we're united. We're VERY much divided on how to deal with that threat"
Poor George wanted to be a "uniter not a divider" but with his philosophy of "you're either with us or against us", he failed and lost the support of the entire world.
You still don't understand Obama's positive message, a failure on your part which is sad but not surprising to me.
posted on July 29, 2004 11:02:01 AM new
Besides, Helen,
no matter what LINDA says Obama is going places and going fast.....a few nasty,narrow-minded comments can't stop this meteor!
posted on July 29, 2004 11:08:06 AM new
Yes, he did say that. And it was so that other countries could make their decisions on whether they were going to fight terrorism....or stick their heads in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist....and that terrorism posed no threat to any country. And remember that was in 2001, following 9-11.
taken from CNN in 2001
[i]WASHINGTON (CNN) --
President Bush said Tuesday that there was no room for neutrality in the war against terrorism.
In a joint news conference with French President Jacques Chirac, Bush said coalition partners would be called upon to back up their support with action. He said he would deliver that message in his speech Saturday to the United Nations.
"A coalition partner must do more than just express sympathy, a coalition partner must perform," Bush said. "That means different things for different nations. Some nations don't want to contribute troops and we understand that. Other nations can contribute intelligence-sharing. ... But all nations, if they want to fight terror, must do something."
Bush said he would not point out any specific countries in his speech.
"Over time it's going to be important for nations to know they will be held accountable for inactivity," he said. "You're either with us or against us in the fight against terror." (Full story)
Bush said threats by Osama bin Laden to use weapons of mass destruction must be taken seriously. "This is an evil man that we're dealing with, and I wouldn't put it past him to develop evil weapons to try to harm civilization as we know it," Bush said. " And that's why we must prevail, and that's why we must win."
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"One thing is for sure: the extremists have faith in our weakness. And the weaker we are, the more they will come after us." --Tony Blair
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posted on July 29, 2004 11:09:06 AM new
Linda_K, your a lier lier and your pants are on fire. I am sooooo very glad the Democrats are burning your A$$.
REPUBLICANS LIKE LINDA_K IS WHY AMERICA NEEDS JOHN KERRY AS PRESIDENT!!!!!!
posted on July 29, 2004 11:18:39 AM new
bigpeepa - What's a lier?
I have no doubt President Bush will be re-elected....so the dems aren't burning anything of mine.
We're having a grown up discussion.....not a grade school name calling contest.
Grow up.
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posted on July 29, 2004 11:38:16 AM new
Linda , I think you can over look a slight mis-spelling as we have overlooked your rather "unique" grammar at times.
Linda quotes a 3 year old article,
""Bush said threats by Osama bin Laden to use weapons of mass destruction must be taken seriously. "This is an evil man that we're dealing with, and I wouldn't put it past him to develop evil weapons to try to harm civilization as we know it," Bush said. " And that's why we must prevail, and that's why we must win."""
Boy oh boy, this is where it got confusing....Osama had WMDs??
Gosh, I thought he said Hussein did !
But if Osama did why did we attack Iraq?
Oh YA, this is the starting point where bushy's assignment was the old pea and shell game.
Mix names and people and convince gullible Americans that we're fighting Iraq because of something bin Laden did because HE has such close ties to the Bush family and it would really be terrible etiquette to actually DO anything to binLaden.
In fact, we HELPED get his family safely out of the U.S only a few days after 9/11......ain't that what friends are for???
[ edited by crowfarm on Jul 29, 2004 11:39 AM ]
....but others don't see voting *to the left* of kerry, h. clinton and ted kennedy as being conservative. 
