posted on August 4, 2004 06:37:52 AM new
Missouri Voters Approve Gay Marriage Ban
1 hour, 22 minutes ago
By KELLY WIESE, Associated Press Writer
JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. - Missouri voters solidly endorsed a state constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, a decision that was closely watched by national groups on both sides of the battle.
With nearly all precincts reporting, the amendment had garnered 71 percent of the vote, according to unofficial results for Tuesday's vote. It was the first such vote since the historic ruling in Massachusetts last year that legalized same-sex weddings there.
Although the ban was widely expected to pass in conservative Missouri, experts said the campaign served as a key barometer for which strategies work as at least nine other states, and perhaps as many as 12, vote on similar amendments this year.
Missouri and 37 other states already have laws defining marriage as only between a man and a woman. But amendment supporters fear a court could toss aside the state law, and they believe the state would be on firmer legal ground if an outright ban is part of the Constitution.
"I'm very gratified and encouraged and thankful that the people of this state understand our current policy's a wise public policy and they want to see it protected from a legal challenge," said Vicky Hartzler, a spokeswoman for the Coalition to Protect Marriage in Missouri.
Opponents said the amendment was unnecessary and discriminatory, but knew they faced an uphill battle in Missouri.
"We're already reaching out to these other states, sharing with them what we learned, what worked, what didn't work, and we'll move on," said Doug Gray, campaign manager for the Constitution Defense League. "Ultimately we're right and they're simply wrong."
Supporters and opponents of the amendment have used grassroots campaigns, knocking on doors and making phone calls to tell people about the issue. The group fighting the amendment, the Constitution Defense League, raised more than $360,000, largely from national gay-rights groups, and ran a television ad in the final days before the vote.
The group favoring the amendment, the Coalition to Protect Marriage in Missouri, spread the word through churches and community events, raising just a few thousand dollars but saying public sentiment in Missouri was on their side.
Louisiana residents are to vote on a marriage amendment Sept. 18. Then Arkansas, Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi, Montana, Oklahoma, Oregon and Utah are to vote on the issue Nov. 2. Initiatives are pending in Michigan, North Dakota and Ohio.
Four states — Alaska, Hawaii, Nebraska and Nevada — already have similar amendments in their constitutions.
YES! 1st step in the right direction... LA next then probably the only one on the list where it won't pass is that tree hugging oregon... but hey nice start to the election season...
posted on August 4, 2004 06:40:46 AM new
Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is a nice copy and paste.
True Americans do not exclude anybody. They recognize that everyone should have the same rights. Bigotry, intolerance and hatred are cancers of the mind.
posted on August 4, 2004 06:48:06 AM new
I thought it a very nice article to share with everyone... glad you liked it... see has the author and everything...
So how do feel about this yeager? Waiting to see what logansdad says... the backlash has begun...
Branson, will be my choice destination for my next vacation.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
Homosexuality is a choice that can be corrected...
posted on August 4, 2004 09:05:33 AM new
Well, it IS Missouri.....redneck , backwoods, inbred ( marriage between fathers and daughter is just fine), backwards, uneducated, scared little Missouri.
posted on August 4, 2004 09:30:26 AM new
I have a question that I hope someone can answer. Some of you seem to feel threatened by same sex marriage. As a heterosexual, do you believe that same sex marriage will harm you or disrupt your lifestyle and if so, how. Or is it just a kind of prejudice.
posted on August 4, 2004 09:43:17 AM new
You leave no room for an answer Helen, your backdoor insults have cut that off...
You yourself are quite prejudiced but I never see you admitting that... you have some nerve asking others as to what you yourself will not admit to.
But to answer your question, I do not fear homsexual marriage anymore than I fear childmolestors... I just don't believe the lifestyle should be legitimized through marriage... there is no reason supporting it and the chosen lifestyle of homosexuality deserves no recognition whatsoever.
Call it what you want... that chosen lifestyle is an abomination upon society... and it appears that society agrees with me.
oh and to others reading know that no matter how you answer unless it agrees with helen's jaundiced view of the US she will say that no one has answered her question... at that time just ignore her.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
Homosexuality is a choice that can be corrected...
[ edited by Twelvepole on Aug 4, 2004 09:47 AM ]
posted on August 4, 2004 09:55:13 AM new
My question was sincere, twelvepole and I hoped that I could get an answer without your silly insults. When the majority of citizens in a state such as Missouri vote against the issue of same sex marriages, there must be a reason whether it's legitimate or not. You often link child molesters with homosexuals. That's certainly wrong. Otherwise, I don't see an answer in your reply. You call it an abomination upon society. My question is how that "abomination" manifests itself from your perspective.
posted on August 4, 2004 10:14:19 AM new
know that no matter how you answer unless it agrees with helen's jaundiced view of the US she will say that no one has answered her question... at that time just ignore her.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
Homosexuality is a choice that can be corrected...
posted on August 4, 2004 10:18:22 AM new
double
[ edited by Twelvepole on Aug 4, 2004 10:19 AM ]
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Oh, well, it's something for you guys to think about. When you feel so strongly about an issue, you should be able to support your position.
posted on August 4, 2004 10:27:42 AM new
Question has been asked and answered many times... why do you refuse to acknowledge it?
The process has begun, the American people are speaking... why do liberals have a problem with this... if this vote had been to allow homosexual marriage, you'd be clapping all over the place to allow a lifestyle that deserves no recognition at all.
These votes are democracy in action...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
Homosexuality is a choice that can be corrected...
posted on August 4, 2004 10:31:07 AM new
My state doesn't recoginize that abomination either... no reason to move.
But nice to see how you insult an entire state for following the democratic process of voting... like you have been screaming about for voting for the president...
remember popular vote... majority vote...
or you a two-faced moron like that one running for president on the democratic ticket?
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
Homosexuality is a choice that can be corrected...
posted on August 4, 2004 12:51:13 PM new
Helen: I have a question that I hope someone can answer. Some of you seem to feel threatened by same sex marriage. As a heterosexual, do you believe that same sex marriage will harm you or disrupt your lifestyle and if so, how. Or is it just a kind of prejudice.
Helen, this question was asked a few times during the past 4-5 months when this topic has been discussed. All the answers have been that is wrong or against the "norm" for the past 2 centuries. Nobody has shown how they will be harmed if gay marriages are allowed. I think it is all based on fear because of their pre-conceived notions and beliefs.
If you asked me how straight marriages effect my life, I could honestly say they do not have any impact on my life. Just like couples that are single and are living together have no direct impact on my life. I don't know where you live or whether you are single or married, gay or straight, but what you do in your day to day life has no impact on my daily routine. (Just a statment - I do not mean any negative meanings behind it.)
All those couples that were legally married in Massachussetts in May have no impact on my day to day life.
Do your neighbor's marriage have any impact on your daily life?
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union....
.....one Nation indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for ALL.
posted on August 4, 2004 12:58:14 PM new
Do your neighbor's marriage have any impact on your daily life?
A: Only if they argue loudly.
My neighbors, friends, relatives,acquaintances as well as those I have not met have no affect on my life whatsoever. It is none of my business.
This thread was old before it began, another of twelves homophobic rants (in this case a C&P)
posted on August 4, 2004 02:08:04 PM new
Dave: Do your neighbor's marriage have any impact on your daily life?
A: Only if they argue loudly.
My point excactly. This a point most politicians seem to be missing. They all want to believe the world will come to an end if gay marriage is legalized. Well it has been the world is still here.
If the politicians want to start passing constitutional amendments banning stuff that is immoral or against what they believe, what is next - Laws/constitutional amendments banning abortion, divorce, pornography, contraceptives?
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union....
.....one Nation indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for ALL.
posted on August 4, 2004 04:00:43 PM new
one thing dave and logansdad are missing... this was done by a VOTE a majority of the people have spoken... Oh wait you only want that for Presidential choice not for anything else?
See folks liberals don't accept a VOTE that does not represent their misguided agendas...
I say again who are you to decide what affects people or doesn't?
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
Homosexuality is a choice that can be corrected...
posted on August 4, 2004 04:34:46 PM new
See folks liberals don't accept a VOTE that does not represent their misguided agendas...
I say again who are you to decide what affects people or doesn't?
How would you feel if there was a vote to abolish divorce? How about a vote to have all marraiges performed at City Hall or in a Church - no vegas style weddings?
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union....
.....one Nation indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for ALL.
posted on August 4, 2004 04:44:03 PM new
Unlike you logansdad I do support the democratic method of voting... I will address that when or if it happens
But I like how you keep bringing up "what ifs" but refuse to address the what is...
The people of the US are against homosexuals... very easy to see to those who would look...
What other "what ifs" you going to bring up... because after all the people get to choose what they feel is right....
here is a what if for ya... what are you going to do if Illinois votes and homosexual marriage is banned there?
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
Homosexuality is a choice that can be corrected...
[ edited by Twelvepole on Aug 4, 2004 04:45 PM ]
posted on August 4, 2004 05:02:19 PM new
Then I assume you are for the assisted suicide law passed in Oregon and Medical Marijuana laws passed in several states in violation of federal statutes.
The Constitution specifically entitles minorities within the general population with equal protection. Not equal protection unless you happen to be gay, black, Hispanic, female or any other minority.
In spite of the fact that a majority vote for something doesn't make it right. Mob rule is irrelevant.
posted on August 4, 2004 05:04:11 PM newThe people of the US are against homosexuals... very easy to see to those who would look...
I don't think so. They may be against gay marriage but I don't think your argument is valid.
here is a what if for ya... what are you going to do if Illinois votes and homosexual marriage is banned there?
IT ALREADY IS STUPID. I GUESS YOU NEED TO GET MORE INFORMATION ON WHAT STATES HAVE ALREADY BANNED GAY MARRIAGE IF YOU WANT TO BE THE NEXT REVEREND PEHLPS.
Unlike you logansdad I do support the democratic method of voting...
That is bullsh**. There is already a law in Massachusetts allowing gays to get married but you are still in favor of letting the people decide. A law may not have been written explicitly defining marriage as between a man and a woman so you want the voters to decide.
You are a crock of poop.
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union....
.....one Nation indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for ALL.
It looks like the gay rights groups should travel to Branson and enjoy a vacation like they did in Dollywood. Five thousand gay men and women went to Dollywood and had what they called Gay Days. If the same number went to Branson stayed for a week and had a Sip In, it would take a bite out of the tourism dollar if others weren't allowed to be seated at restaurants while gay customers were sipping and sipping coffee. Of course they should bring their own meals, and eat before they went to the coffee house, so they wouldn't have to eat restaurant food.
Maybe the media would give that some coverage too.
True Americans do not exclude anybody. They recognize that everyone should have the same rights. Bigotry, intolerance and hatred are cancers of the mind.
posted on August 4, 2004 05:35:07 PM new
logansdad, you are the one that is full of crap... you scream "oh oh the president didn't get elected by popular vote" but when a popular vote is done and it doesn't meet your agenda, now the vote is wrong...
besides who is talking about MA? The people there did not get to vote their legislature let them down... so it is legal in MA... one state out of 50... however it does not stop them from changing it in 2006... just as the people of MO can take a vote in the future and undo this vote...
but then you may be a very old man by then.... LOL
Oh and there is liberal dave... "the man" is holding him down... LOL
that is why the bill that passed in the house before their vacation is being pushed through... it will allow each state to decide without interference from any federal judge.
What I see is six or seven states that will allow homosexual marriage, five or six that will allow civil unions and the rest will allow neither... the states will get to decide and it will be done and over with.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
Homosexuality is a choice that can be corrected...
posted on August 4, 2004 05:43:43 PM new
LOL, that would be funny as the police were dragging their asses out the door... all the resturaunt would have to do is post right of refusal signs and that would end that...
What more coverage would be needed... the vote is done and over with... doesn't say that homosexuals can't come there, they just won't be getting married there...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
Homosexuality is a choice that can be corrected...
[ edited by Twelvepole on Aug 4, 2004 05:45 PM ]
