bunnicula
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posted on August 30, 2004 10:03:04 PM new
Isn't that what they said about Ronald Reagan and the Soviet Union?
Not exactly. They called him an idiot for making a "joke" on live radio that could have started a war with the Soviet Union. Remember? "My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes."
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austbounty
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posted on August 31, 2004 03:05:34 AM new
Our media tells us that Rudy compared Bush to Winston Churchill!
ROFLMAO
Obviously the measure of ‘orator’ has slipped a great deal.
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yellowstone
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posted on August 31, 2004 06:47:49 AM new
Fenix03
You may disagree all you want but the whole point of this week is to sway undecided voters and going against that pledge on night one was a bad decision.
What you and I think about it really kinda matters not and if you will notice, the talking heads on the news shows aren't focusing in on this. I agree with you that it is the undecided voters that both political parties are after and I beleive that most if not all will not even consider that so called bad decision in their own decision making process.
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neroter12
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posted on August 31, 2004 07:25:39 AM new
Talk about talking heads!! Yellowstone, you know what I noticed? The commentators on CNN were giving more airtime to their own commentary, than airing the convention or the speakers themselves!! Like people tune in to hear what 'they' think rather than hear the speakers of the republican party!
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yellowstone
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posted on August 31, 2004 07:35:16 AM new
Yeah I noticed that too Nero, the same even on Fox but then I changed the channel to C-SPAN and I saw a whole lot more of the speeches rather than the commentary.
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neroter12
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posted on August 31, 2004 07:48:20 AM new
me too, yellow. I changed to PBS and got to actually watch some of the speakers!
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Reamond
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posted on August 31, 2004 09:28:30 AM new
Reamond - you just defeated yourself dearest. Your tunnel vision and hatred of anything arab has lead you to believe somehow that AQ is the only global terrorist organization.
Better get some decaf, you're talking non-sense. I'LL STATE IT AGAIN SO YOU MIGHT COMPREHEND -- READ SLOWLY NOW -- THE GLOBAL TERRORISM WAR IS BUSH'S DOCTRINE NOT MINE. GETTING THE AQ PEOPLE BEHIND 9-11 HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HATING ARABS. YOU ARE CREATING A BASELESS STRAWMAN ARGUMENT.
Bush did not declare a wr on AQ, he declared a war on terrorism and Terrorism is entity that exists far beyond the arab world. It does not take an organization to commit an act of terrorism, a single man can be just as efffective. So again I ask - how does one wage a war on the hearts and minds of men?
Get your thinking cap on, once again --- BUSH'S DOCTRINE IS AN UTTER FAILURE. OUR "WAR" IS AGAINST AL QAEDA, NOT ALL TERRORISTS AROUND THE WORLD. IT DOES TAKE ORGANIZATION TO BE EFFECTIVE. ONE MAN CAN NOT HI-JACK 4 PLANES.
Bush was a complete idiot for ever making the claim that terrorism was something that could be eradicated. He finally got it... I wonder if you ever will?
You're the one who doesn't "get it" fenix.
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fenix03
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posted on August 31, 2004 10:32:40 AM new
Reamond - two men managed to pull off the most devastating act of global terrorism in our history. They didn't wear T-shirts, they didn't have membership cards in their back pocket and they were not Arabs. They were terrorists, the attack a US goverment building and they killed 168 people. they were terrorists. It took two men, desire, will, a rental truck and some fertilizer.
Bush declared a war Terrorism, not a war on Al Queda. Neither are winnable but you still seem to ignore the difference between the two.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
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Reamond
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posted on August 31, 2004 11:07:38 AM new
Reamond - two men managed to pull off the most devastating act of global terrorism in our history. They didn't wear T-shirts, they didn't have membership cards in their back pocket and they were not Arabs. They were terrorists, the attack a US goverment building and they killed 168 people. they were terrorists. It took two men, desire, will, a rental truck and some fertilizer.
That was not an act of "global terrorism", it was a domestic criminal act. And it was organized. While it may or may not have involved more than two people, being "organized" is more than just a head count. And they did have membership cards in the militia movement. And it was organized. Labeling domestic criminal acts "global terrorism" is ridiculous.
Bush declared a war Terrorism, not a war on Al Queda. Neither are winnable but you still seem to ignore the difference between the two.
You have it quite wrong. I AM THE ONE THAT POINTED OUT THE DIFFERENCE BEYWEEN THE TWO. The difference between the two is why one is winnable and the other is not.
Exterminating al Qaeda members is quite easy once the resources are put into play. The more resources we commit, the quicker it will happen.
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blairwitch
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posted on August 31, 2004 11:13:43 AM new
The biggest flip-flopper of all time is John McCain. I feel bad voting for him in 2000.....
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parklane64
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posted on August 31, 2004 12:38:04 PM new
Maybe Reamond is right. Maybe the occupation of a subdued Iraq is not in our best interests in the pursuit and eradication of dangerous levels of terrorism. We need a leader that can see the trees and the forest. I think this is very valid in the coming election. I'm not just voting for President Bush, I am voting for Vice President Cheney and Secretary Powell. I am voting for a group of people that I feel embody the best possibility of guiding our country wisely. Damn, Reamond, whydja hafta bring this up?
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Linda_K
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posted on August 31, 2004 12:52:20 PM new
reamond said: Exterminating al Qaeda members is quite easy once the resources are put into play. The more resources we commit, the quicker it will happen.
We have captured about 3/4 of the known AQ members. But as fenix points out...they are not the only terrorist group out there...nor the only ones that wish get 'at' us. We can't commit all our resources to only one group and let the others thrive and grow. They must all be dealt with as we are able.
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Helenjw
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posted on August 31, 2004 01:32:20 PM new
lindk,The statement, "We have captured about 3/4 of the known AQ members" is misleading. There are thousands of Al Qaida members in Pakistan alone.
"Al-Qaida operatives are estimated to number some 6,000 worldwide and work in concert with hundreds of thousands of Mujahideen, who form the military arm of Bin Laden's and the World Islamic Front's global network."
Helen
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yellowstone
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posted on August 31, 2004 01:42:56 PM new
There are thousands of Al Qaida members in Pakistan alone.
Oh so you have been there then Helenjw, Otherwise how would you know this??
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Reamond
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posted on August 31, 2004 01:48:25 PM new
But as fenix points out...they are not the only terrorist group out there...nor the only ones that wish get 'at' us. We can't commit all our resources to only one group and let the others thrive and grow. They must all be dealt with as we are able.
Talk about mission drift. AQ IS the only group that attacked us on 9-11, attacked our Navy ship in the Persian Gulf and blew up our embassys in Africa.
There IS no other group that has launched a real and credible threat against us.
Where you have conjured all these other terrorists from is a mystery.
The resources to eradicate AQ were wasted in Iraq.
Iraq was a strategic mistake. Iraq was a tactical mistake.
Bush is a mistake.
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Libra63
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posted on August 31, 2004 02:26:07 PM new
Reamond how can you say that, that there are no other terrorists than the AQ.
Do you have an inside to Homeland Security? If not you can't possibly know who else is threatening us. We have terrorists right in the US, and US citizens. Take the Oklahoma bombing that wasn't AQ. and I consider them terrorists.
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yellowstone
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posted on August 31, 2004 02:41:30 PM new
Reamond thinks that they don't exist until one of them attacks us. Here is a link to other terrorist groups around the world including AlQaida.
http://www.ict.org.il/inter_ter/org.cfm
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Linda_K
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posted on August 31, 2004 04:30:11 PM new
Wow! That's a long list, yellowstone 
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helen...just for you - to help alleviate your pangs of anxiety - I will re-phrase my statement. 
"We have, with the help of other countries, arrested 3/4 of those known AQ members which we believe were involved in terrorist activities."
Feel better now?
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yellowstone
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posted on August 31, 2004 07:28:10 PM new
GO GETEM ARNOLD
You liberals are nothing but a bunch of economic girliemen. (say it in the voice of Arnold Swartzenegger)
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Reamond
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posted on August 31, 2004 07:48:05 PM new
Reamond how can you say that, that there are no other terrorists than the AQ.
I didn't say that there were no other terrorists now did I. I said AQ was the only terrorist group that poses a real and credible threat to us.
Do you have an inside to Homeland Security? If not you can't possibly know who else is threatening us. We have terrorists right in the US, and US citizens. Take the Oklahoma bombing that wasn't AQ. and I consider them terrorists.
Saying the OK bombing was a terrorist action is crazy. It was a domestic criminal act.
What next ? Beating a spouse is a terrorist act ? How about bank robbery or even the Enron corporate criminal acts ?
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Linda_K
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posted on August 31, 2004 07:55:02 PM new
Yes, Arnold was FANTASTIC!!! [redbounce] [redbounce]
I especially loved how he expressed what America offers immigrants, speaking as one who knows well himself.
And his whole "If you believe xxx then you are a Republican". 
He fired up the whole crowd.
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yellowstone
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posted on August 31, 2004 08:11:22 PM new
I really enjoyed watching the Harlem Boys Choir sing Glory Hallelujah after Laura Bush spoke, especially the little guys in front. Some of them had such a huge smile on their faces, you couild just tell how proud they were to be there.
The rest of the music throughout the night has been pretty good also and some of those people out on the floor were really gettin down and boogying.
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Reamond
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posted on August 31, 2004 08:23:55 PM new
LMAO !! Yeah it is great watching one pro choice speaker after another at the convention of the "pro life" party !!!!
More lipstick on the pig.
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