posted on September 5, 2004 07:32:24 PM new
I hate to say it, but I think Linda described the vast majority of politicians.
In Christ,
Rick
1Jn 5:11-12
"I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: "I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I do not accept His claim to be God." That is one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic....or else he would be the devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to."
C.S. Lewis: "Mere Christianity"
posted on September 5, 2004 07:33:15 PM new
cheryl - This is a discussion about would we support a president if we didn't agree with his views for our future. There's nothing at all uncivil about me presenting just how I see kerry. Free speech and all....
If I were to say the same thing about another poster here...then that might be considered uncivil by some.
You appear not to be able to separate much in your way of viewing things.
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And no kiara, the point I've tried to make time and time again is that once our Congress gives a president premission, by their votes, to allow certain actions...like going into Iraq ...then I feel we as a Nation should pull behind that DECISION...not necessarily the man himself.
Again you lefties appear to have problems separating the two. When our Congress has given permission to go to war, and a president then takes that actions, I don't put the 'blame' on the president. Because he has received the 'power' from our Congress. So I am, in FACT, supporting their collective decision as to which direction this nation is being taken in.
And there's a big difference between supporting and agreeing with. Just as there is between supporting and working against what's in our Nation's best interests.
posted on September 5, 2004 07:50:32 PM new
Linda_K, (I'm speaking in my usual quiet voice and in also in a civil tone) you were the one that told me several times not to question President Bush's actions. Now you've changed it to Congress. You should have said that months ago then or is this just to recover from your anti-Kerry remark.
I hate to say it, but I think Linda described the vast majority of politicians.
I agree with that.... I think some start out with the best of intentions and then get corrupted once they are in power.
posted on September 5, 2004 08:24:46 PM new
kiara - you were the one that told me several times not to question President Bush's actions.
I've never said that.
Now you've changed it to Congress.
Again, you appear unable to separate the facts of what I've said and what the assumptions you make all the time about my posts were.
The final decision was made by this President. So to attack him for making this decision and not support it *when our Congress gave their blessings fo him to do so* is NOT supporting this country's best interest.
And *as I have often repeated to you* I supported clinton when he bombed Iraq too - when he said exactly the same threat was there that President Bush said was there. I really didn't like clinton...but I was able to separate the man from what I believed was in this Nation's best interest. And he didn't have the 'blessings' of our Congress to do so. He didn't have the approval of the UN to do so...but most all you lefties sure believed him.
You should have said that months ago then or is this just to recover from your anti-Kerry remark. You should have asked instead of making so many incorrect assumptions.
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"The War on Terror will not be won until America is united. And as long as Democrats target the Bush administration -- not the terrorists -- as the enemy, we are in trouble." --Oliver North
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Those are only two reasons why we need to:
posted on September 5, 2004 10:50:09 PM new
Sigh..... why in the world would I ask if you meant Congress when you told me it was the president I shouldn't question?
Anyhow, we could go back and forth forever on that one but I see you are now again discussing Clinton as president and making assumptions about all the 'lefties' so I'll leave it at that.
posted on September 5, 2004 11:20:25 PM newwhy in the world would I ask if you meant Congress when you told me it was the president I shouldn't question.
I really don't know, kiara, maybe you're paying your games again. Since I NEVER told you 'you shouldn't' question' anything.
I have said that once our Congress and President makes a decision to go to war....we should all be united against our enemies....not our President. Not aiding and abetting our enemies and giving them more hope that with the descent in our country they may just win if the right party gets elected. [or something very close to that.]
Anyway...I'm not interest in your games....nor your false assumptions about what I've said.
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"One thing is for sure: the extremists have faith in our weakness. And the weaker we are, the more they will come after us." --Tony Blair
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"The War on Terror will not be won until America is united. And as long as Democrats target the Bush administration -- not the terrorists -- as the enemy, we are in trouble." --Oliver North
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Those are only two reasons why we need to:
posted on September 5, 2004 11:42:45 PM newI really don't know, kiara, maybe you're paying your games again.
Linda_K, I'm not playing games, I was responding to your previous comment that I should have asked about Congress when you said to trust the president.
We've been down this road many times before when we talked about putting full trust in a President and I disagreed with you on it. I even had a presidential quote about it at one time.
Anyways, I'm sorry to upset you once again and I'll try for better sentence structure which keeps getting me into trouble.
posted on September 6, 2004 05:49:36 AM new
The only way I could put full trust in Congress is if the parties were split - 50% Democrat, 50% Republican. With a Republican majority in the House it makes sense that they are going to throw support to the President. The House is far from being balanced therefore far from being bipartisan. In order for anything positive to happen in the United States Congress it takes bipartisan leadership.
Cheryl
. . .if you still try to defend the infamies and horrors perpetrated by that Antichrist- I really believe he is Antichrist- I will have nothing more to do with you and you are no longer my friend.. . - War and Peace, Tolstoy
posted on September 6, 2004 05:58:15 AM new
Won't happen with kerry, it will still be a GOP congress and guess who will then catch all the blame for not supporting all of his lame ideas...
posted on September 6, 2004 10:00:37 AM new
I honestly think we wouldn't be having such heated debates if JK hadn't started his campaign with "When I was a young man I served in Vietnam" He was the one who started it then everyone else followed it. Now it is bitting him in the behind. If the candidates didn't have to focus on the negative statements about the Vietname War maybe this election would be different. It was Kerry who started it. Bush's military records were already on the internet, granted parts were missing, not because of him, but because the NG didn't follow through with what they were supposed to do. JK's Military Record was not on the internet until quite a while later and it is still not all on. So you see I see a problem with that so I am hoping he is not elected but if so I hope congress can stop some of his ?platform.
