Libra63
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posted on September 16, 2004 10:52:19 AM new
Logansdad ----Now all of a sudden because something is not in the article we should just stick to what was said in the article
Read the heading of the thread then read what the OP is about. That is what we are discussing. We can't discuss anything else like most are doing because we can't assume anything we know nothing about. Why not stick to the topic. If you want to start a different thread one with factual information than go ahead. I would happily debate that. Until then I will stick to the originally topic of this thread.
Crowfarm:Theresa Kerry has a long history of giving generously.......but it was never front page news, it was just done!
Do you know her personally so that you can prove that statement. Well search Teresa Heinz Kerry and see where she donates money to. Then come back and tell us. If she is such a great person why did she have JK sign a prenuptual agreement? If she is such a great donator why did Kerry have to mortage their home for money.
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Linda_K
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posted on September 16, 2004 10:52:41 AM new
No kiara - those are your words not mine. This is definitely a pattern with you lefties....adding words to peoples statements to change what they're saying.
Teresa Heinz Kerry's groups support anti-American policies, kiara. Anyone reading the Tide Foundation and it's off-shoot can clearly see what anti-American groups her funds support. Although so much is done secretly that I'm positive full exposure would seal her fate and her husbands campaign. Althought kerry's doing a good enough job of that all by himself. lol
And on the Canadian issue and on me choosing my country over any other. Darn tootin'. I think it's the best i the world and that has always bothered you for some strange reason. Maybe you don't understand my patriotism because a lot of Canadians don't have that love of their own country. Maybe you're one of them.
It's your statements I disagree with...and yes, other countries politices [including Canadain ones too]....but as I have mentioned before all the Canadians who worked with my husband at a Canadian owned company here in the USA never appeared to be so against American policies as you are.
You've mentioned many times you just love America and American's but your posts haven't reflected those values in my opinion. You disagree with almost all of our governments policies...claiming it's President Bush you're against, only. But since our whole Congress is the one that votes these policies in to law...they represent my countries positions....not only President Bush's positions. So your continued disagreement to those same policies is, in my opinion, anti-American government. Our Congress represents our people....not one man alone.
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bootclan
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posted on September 16, 2004 10:59:02 AM new
Kerry should take some of Teresa'a money and buy her a cast iron muzzle for that yapper of hers. What a "ball and chain" she is to him. No doubt he wishes he could dump her. The majority of the rest of the Democrats must wish she would disappear. Hey lefties, she is all yours. Enjoy!!
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Linda_K
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posted on September 16, 2004 11:02:16 AM new
Linda_K, you can try to spin this any way you wish now about what your point is or was but your very first comment here was that Teresa's actions were "staged" and that she didn't give any of her own money.
Not spinning it at all. You are correct...that was my stated opinion and how I see it. And no one has proved proof she gave any of her own funds. Period.
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kiara
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posted on September 16, 2004 11:07:32 AM new
No kiara - those are your words not mine. This is definitely a pattern with you lefties....adding words to peoples statements to change what they're saying.
Linda_K...... perhaps someone has stolen your password as you'd better check these posts with your name on them.
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Linda_K posted on September 15, 2004
hmmm... Staged for his political benefit most likely.
The clothes were most likely donated....cash to buy water and electric generators might not have been immediately available.
But with $700 million dollars rather than spending money others had given to his campaign...I wonder how many electric generators they could have afforded to buy with their OWN money. Like....give a little more than lip service to what you're saying is needed.
She's worth billions some have said and can't purchase a few hundred generators to really help the people there out? No...they just show up to show their concern in an election year....just put in an appearance. What a joke.
The kerry's gave nothing from their own pockets.
only what got her the attention for them showing up and giving to these people out of campaign donation rather than their own money.
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As far as other countries go....... one can love and support their own country but also love other countries and actually CARE about them and the people that live there. DUH !
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Linda_K
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posted on September 16, 2004 11:19:48 AM new
Game playing again, kiara? Looks that way to me. The last post you made was not your post my answer addressed.
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Linda_K
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posted on September 16, 2004 11:22:15 AM new
On the subject of my country giving to help/aid other countries....we give the most to other countries...MORE than any other country in the world does.
THAT shows our caring for others. Our generosity has continued during both democratic and republican administrations.
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crowfarm
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posted on September 16, 2004 11:25:44 AM new
Kiara says,"As far as other countries go....... one can love and support their own country but also love other countries and actually CARE about them and the people that live there. DUH !"
This is where you make your mistake, Kiara, with Republican neonazicons......they don't know the meaning of the word "care".
If their fat bellies are full and they have money for food and shelter they don't give a damn about anyone else. Not nice people and barely human.
Anyone who sits back, ignores this countrie's problem and gurgles,
"this is da greatest country in da world" , without knowing a thing about it and any other countries is an idiot.
PS: I don't see Canadians crossing the border in huge droves to get to the "greatest country in the world".
Nor do I see anyone else but the desperate flocking to America.
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kiara
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posted on September 16, 2004 11:33:25 AM new
kiara posted on September 16, 2004 10:50:32 AM
Linda_K, you can try to spin this any way you wish now about what your point is or was but your very first comment here was that Teresa's actions were "staged" and that she didn't give any of her own money.
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Linda_K immediately followed up with this post:
posted on September 16, 2004 10:52:41 AM
No kiara - those are your words not mine. This is definitely a pattern with you lefties....adding words to peoples statements to change what they're saying.
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So I answer that those are your words Linda_K and I show them and now you say I'm playing games?? It's certainly not me, Linda_K. Read it again.
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You've mentioned many times you just love America and American's but your posts haven't reflected those values in my opinion. You disagree with almost all of our governments policies...claiming it's President Bush you're against, only.
In all the years I posted here I never said a single word against America or Americans. I first spoke out about Bush when he invaded Iraq and I don't agree with the way he did it or other things his administration has done. That does not make me anti-American. Others can comprehend that and don't have to put a spin on it just to try to cause trouble like you and your son try to do.
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crowfarm
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posted on September 16, 2004 11:36:56 AM new
Oh Linda , ya put your big foot in it this time.....the USA does NOT give more than other countries
Sorry, not true! And when I have time I will look up the stats.....I will have time,,,,,they won't go away.
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twig125silver
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posted on September 16, 2004 11:48:05 AM new
I must agree with Linda on this one....
The US DOES give more aid to another country's needs after disasters than any other single country in the world.
And how much aid do we get when we have hurricanes, earthquakes or whackos driving planes into buildings? Zip, zilch, nada....
terryann
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kiara
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posted on September 16, 2004 11:49:06 AM new
On the subject of my country giving to help/aid other countries....we give the most to other countries...MORE than any other country in the world does.
As much as the aid is appreciated by the other countries, the USA ranks very low on the list of aid that is given worldwide and Israel is their largest recipient.
http://www.aidtransparency.org/developimages/Default2.htm
Another chart here.
http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Debt/USAid.asp
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Helenjw
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posted on September 16, 2004 11:53:30 AM new
lindak, You know that your repeated statement that Theresa Kerry gives money to anti-American groups is FALSE. Therefore, it's a LIE.
Fact Check
The Truth About Tides Foundation, Tides Center and the Heinz Endowments
The Heinz Endowments Grants to Tides Center/Tides Foundation
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twig125silver
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posted on September 16, 2004 12:02:29 PM new
Kiara-
Your charts show the US government. Not the US citizens, who, by the way, are generous to the extreme. Children in elementary schools collect money to send in times of need. Organizations such as the Red Cross, Unicef, BSA, GSA, Religious groups, etc. are not on your graphs. Most of us make our donations to organizations such as these. I'm not talking about the donations made through my tax dollars.
terryann
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kiara
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posted on September 16, 2004 12:13:49 PM new
Hi terryann
It's the same in Canada and I would think other countries also. There have always been school kids collecting money for worldwide aid and they do other projects like making quilts. Canada also has the Red Cross, Unicef, etc. and I'm sure that every country has citizens that do their share of giving as do many of the religious groups and other organizations in each town or city.
After 9/11 there were thousands of donations coming into the US from Canada and all over the world. It was discussed here a few months ago.
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Linda_K
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posted on September 16, 2004 12:18:46 PM new
Kiara - It's you usual game playing.
My response was to your statement:
I wasn't aware that the Carribean was anti-American.
As I never said they were. Those where the words YOU added.
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bigpeepa
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posted on September 16, 2004 12:19:12 PM new
LINDA_K, ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A GREEDY,OLD,COLD HEARTED MONEY COUNTER. FACT IS NOBODY BELIEVES YOUR LIES. YOU HAVE LOST ALL CREDITABLY.
LINDA_K, YOU NEED TO SPEND MORE TIME DOING YOUR FAVORITE HOBBY (MONEY COUNTING) AND LESS TIME SPREADING LIES ABOUT PEOPLE MUCH BETTER THAN YOU.
YES, LINDA_K I WILL SCREAM ALL I WANT AT PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO DESERVE NONE OF MY RESPECT.
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Linda_K
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posted on September 16, 2004 12:22:14 PM new
In all the years I posted here I never said a single word against America or Americans.
Our policies are put into law by our Congress. You are always disagreeing with our policies.
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And I stand by my statement. The US is the LARGEST giver of funding to other countries in total dollars spent. Period.
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logansdad
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posted on September 16, 2004 12:29:26 PM new
It hasn't stopped you in the past from jumping to conclusions about people.
LOL...when a man admits to being gay, and I state he's in the highest risk group for getting aids/hiv ...that's a fact...a [b]proven[b] conclusion.
Just like you had jumped to conclusion as to why his first wife left him.
DICK CHENEY SUPPORTS MY RELATIONSHIP: People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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logansdad
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posted on September 16, 2004 12:37:08 PM new
Libra: Logansdad ----Now all of a sudden because something is not in the article we should just stick to what was said in the article
Read the heading of the thread then read what the OP is about. That is what we are discussing. We can't discuss anything else like most are doing because we can't assume anything we know nothing about. Why not stick to the topic. If you want to start a different thread one with factual information than go ahead. I would happily debate that. Until then I will stick to the originally topic of this thread.
That was the whole point of my post - sticking to the point(s) addressed in the original post.
DICK CHENEY SUPPORTS MY RELATIONSHIP: People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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kiara
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posted on September 16, 2004 12:39:16 PM new
Linda_K unless you put the direct quote from a page or so back, I follow up on responses to my last posts.
I also know which of the Bush administration policies I disagree with and I've told you for many months now that I know my mind much better than you think you know it.
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bigpeepa
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posted on September 16, 2004 12:41:21 PM new
Libera63, you asked "If she(Teresa Kerry) is such a great donator(sp) why did Kerry have to mortage(sp)their home for money."
My answer to you is, because John Kerry was following the LAW stupid. Also John Kerry believes this country needs a new start that is why he mortgaged their home. Get informed so you don't have to ask stupid misleading questions again.
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Helenjw
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posted on September 16, 2004 12:46:33 PM new
DEFINITION OF ANTI-AMERICAN
Anti American ADJECTIVE: Opposed or hostile to the government, official policies, or people of the United States.
American Heritage Dictionary.
lindak, Disagreement with political policy is not anti-American. In fact it's a priviledge that is a core value of our Democracy.
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Helenjw
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posted on September 16, 2004 12:49:16 PM new
Linda, do you believe in telling lies if untruth will get you where you want to go? That seems to be the policy of this administration and I just wonder if you are following that policy blindly or are you following with full knowledge that you are supporting lies?
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bunnicula
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posted on September 16, 2004 12:52:18 PM new
bunni - I'm not seeing the double standard you're referring to. Mind letting me in on it?
Sure. Libra said Crowfarm it isn't any of your business what we donated to the Americans in this time of need--or anybody else' business either, presumably.
Yet she went on to state Now show me where she donated some of their personal money and then maybe this thread wouldn't have started. As if what Teresa Kerry donates in a time of need is her business.
And that's a double standard.
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Linda_K
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posted on September 16, 2004 12:52:54 PM new
helen - I think people can make up their own minds just how far left the 'causes and groups' Teresa kerry funds are.
But it's like you're saying the NYT isn't a left leaning paper.... we all have our own 'line' about how far left...is far left.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=12187
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[i]Teresa Heinz Kerry has financed the secretive Tides Foundation to the tune of more than $4 million over the years. The Tides Foundation, a "charity" established in 1976 by antiwar leftist activist Drummond Pike, distributes millions of dollars in grants every year to political organizations advocating far-Left causes. The Tides Foundation and its closely allied Tides Center, which was spun off from the Foundation in 1996 but run by Drummond Pike, distributed nearly $66 million in grants in 2002 alone. In all, Tides has distributed more than $300 million for the Left. These funds went to rabid antiwar demonstrators, anti-trade demonstrators, domestic Islamist organizations, pro-terrorists legal groups, environmentalists, abortion partisans, extremist homosexual activists and open borders advocates.
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ALL extremist, radical groups.
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Helenjw
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posted on September 16, 2004 01:02:39 PM new
Now, you've gone from anti-American to left? So, in your opininon Theresa is not giving to anti-American groups but rather to left groups?
That's a heleva flip flop. At any rate, I'm happy to see that you have reversed your statement that Theresa is contributing to Anti American groups.
Any one who wants to check out Threresa's contributions can use these links...NOT left, not anti-American.
Fact Check
The Truth About Tides Foundation, Tides Center and the Heinz Endowments
The Heinz Endowments Grants to Tides Center/Tides Foundation
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Linda_K
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posted on September 16, 2004 01:03:26 PM new
Other sites that mention teresa's Tide groups.
http://www.google.com/custom?cof=LW%3A283%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.frontpagemag.com%2Fimages%2Ffp_index_logo.gif%3BLH%3A91%3BAH%3Aleft%3BS%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.frontpagemag.com%3BAWFID%3A9edb6131425a5b04%3B&domains=frontpagemag.com&sitesearch=frontpagemag.com&q=teresa+kerry+tide+center
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Helenjw
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posted on September 16, 2004 01:08:15 PM new
You failed to answer my question about whether you believe that the ends justify the means.
I asked,Linda, do you believe in telling lies if untruth will get you where you want to go? That seems to be the policy of this administration and I just wonder if you are following that policy blindly or are you following with full knowledge that you are supporting lies?
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Linda_K
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posted on September 16, 2004 01:12:15 PM new
Well logansdad - You take the award for hypocrisy today. Tell me if I want to debate it in another thread I can after just finishing bringing up an old discussion yourself?
LOL -
Just like you had jumped to conclusion as to why his first wife left him.
It THAT related to this tread topic? LOL NO!!!!! it's sure not.
But the answer had you bothered to ask in that thread was I read what both SHE and her MOTHER said. That's how I knew. Maybe you should do the same. I gave you their last name to make it easier for you. Do a little work yourself on things that are 'troubling' to you.
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