kiara
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posted on October 27, 2004 07:31:13 AM new
Tue Oct 26, 7:58 AM ET
SANTA BARBARA, Calif. - Veteran newsman Walter Cronkite said Americans aren't any safer because of the U.S.-led war on Iraq.
"The problem, quite clearly, is we have excited the Arab world, the Muslim world, to take up arms against us," Cronkite said Saturday, adding that this excitement far exceeds the anger that existed among terrorist groups prior to the war.
Cronkite made the comments after receiving an award from the Nuclear Age Peace Foundation during the group's gala at Fess Parker's Doubletree Resort.
He said the Nov. 2 presidential election will be one of the most important since perhaps the Civil War because it comes on the heels of a drastic change in U.S. foreign policy and a ballooning national debt.
The war on Iraq marked the first time the United States has conducted a pre-emptive invasion and occupation of another country, he noted.
Asked what it will take to achieve peace, Cronkite said, "It certainly has to include, as a major factor, diplomacy."
The 87-year-old retired news anchor, dubbed "the most trusted man in America," was given the foundation's Distinguished Peace Leadership Award for "courageous leadership in the cause of peace." Past recipients include the Dalai Lama, Archbishop Desmond Tutu, Jacques Cousteau and Jordan's King Hussein.
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yellowstone
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posted on October 27, 2004 08:54:02 AM new
The problem with our enemies is that they have exited us into taking up arms against them. Actually I should say that they have exited some of us. The pacifists would rather take a time out and talk it out.
adding that this excitement far exceeds the anger that existed among terrorist groups prior to the war.
So I guess that 911 was just a gentle tap on our shoulder to get our attention to come and talk.
Diplomacy? Diplomacy to our enemies means this; us sitting quietly while they pull out swords with only moderately sharp blades and cut our heads off.
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Linda_K
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posted on October 27, 2004 08:59:33 AM new
You've got that completely correct, yellowstone.
And I still think if the Canadian is so worried she might put some of her energy into working to get her own countrys military built up....but...maybe they're planning on 'talking' to the terrorists themselves. 
And ol' Walter...a very liberal kind of guy...self admitted liberal...who wants the US to use alternative energy sources ...just NOT in HIS backyard. Didn't want the wind turbans to spoil his lovely ocean view.
Yea...those liberals they sure are for the poor people. laugh laugh laugh
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kiara
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posted on October 27, 2004 09:20:10 AM new
Lindak, perhaps you didn't notice but the topic was about Walter Cronkite's award and his view on the situation in Iraq.
Once again you cannot separate Canada/kiara in your mind from the topic at hand. Each time you post you are focused only on me.
Why is that? Jealousy?
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kiara
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posted on October 27, 2004 09:23:58 AM new
Yellowstone, it sounds like you still think that Iraq was responsible for 9/11. They weren't.
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yellowstone
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posted on October 27, 2004 09:31:47 AM new
Kiara
The plain and simple fact of the matter is that there are hundreds if not thousands of foreign terrorists (called insurgents) flowing in to Iraq to fight Americans. A fight with our enemies on foreign soil is what we want rather than a fight on domestic soil. So I guess one could say that the end justifies the means.
Saddam Hussein gave us the place to fight and Osama Binladen called the start of the fight.
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Linda_K
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posted on October 27, 2004 09:35:53 AM new
No....no reason for jealousy kiara. I'm PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN where at least I know I'm free. And I won't forget the men who died who gave that right to me...so I'll proudly STAND UP . There, my little song for the day.... Lee Greenwood said it all in that song.
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"And they, the interrogator went through all of these statements from John Kerry. He starts pounding on the table. 'See here, this naval officer, he admits that you are a criminal.'"  Excerpt from "Stolen Honor"
- James H. Warner
Former Vietnam POW
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"I will never submit America's national security to an international test. The use of troops to defend America must never be subject to a veto by countries like France. The President's job is not to take an international poll -- the President's job is to defend America." --President George W. Bush
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kiara
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posted on October 27, 2004 09:43:17 AM new
Yellowstone, the terrorists came into Iraq because Bush & Co invaded with no plan and no strategy so the borders weren't protected. They flooded in. They weren't in Iraq previous to that as Saddam wouldn't allow it.
You seem to forget that Bush should have concentrated on Afghanistan where many of the terrorists still are. Intelligence did warn that the different factions and groups would band together to fight the coalition and that's exactly what happened. There is a huge lack of control.
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kiara
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posted on October 27, 2004 09:52:58 AM new
Lindak, you don't know my nationality or my citizenships. You keep drawing attention to the fact that I am Canadian and you mention it in almost every topic on this board, like it's a bad thing just because in your mind it is.
Being a neocon, you fail to realize that others can be proud to have love for more than one country. I feel honored to be called a Canadian, same as I do when anyone refers to me as an American as I love both countries. Those aren't the only two countries I feel ties to either.
The election is Canadian as well as American news. It affects everyone worldwide. Open your eyes.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/uselection2004/
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yellowstone
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posted on October 27, 2004 09:54:09 AM new
Iraq is more centrally located than Afghanistan, thus making it easier for terrorist fighters to come to the fight. Did you ever stop and think that the Iraq borders were left unprotected on purpose, just so the foreign fighters can get to the fight easier.
Intelligence did warn that the different factions and groups would band together to fight the coalition and that's exactly what happened.
They call it a warning to appease the general public here back home but to the war strategists it was information that they wanted to here. They were all pumped up when this revelation came through and they were saying to themselves; LETS GET IT ON and I agree.
ed to add; This lack of control that you keep talking about actually is under control. The fight is happening at the place that we want it to happen at and with the people that we want to have the fight with. It was all very carefully orchestrated and strategised.
[ edited by yellowstone on Oct 27, 2004 10:02 AM ]
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parklane64
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posted on October 27, 2004 09:58:50 AM new
kiara, we have trouble seeing them hiding in their caves and holes. Many of them have to travel to Iraq, enough said.
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Matthew 19:24
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Linda_K
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posted on October 27, 2004 10:10:20 AM new
like it's a bad thing just because in your mind it is.
Wrong once again.  No where have I made a derogatory statement about Canada here.....I just stated my pride in being an American.
It's YOUR mind that takes my words and twists them to what YOU want to believe...how YOU preceive them. Not my problem...it's yours.
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Bear1949
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posted on October 27, 2004 10:17:21 AM new
Walter Cronkite, Dan Rathers mentor. Enough said.
Hey, hey
Ho, ho
Kerry - sign the 1-8-0
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The person who has nothing for which he is willing
to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
--John Stuart Mill
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parklane64
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posted on October 27, 2004 10:22:39 AM new
C'mon, Linda, when you live in a socialist pimple on America's ass you are desperate to think you are important in the scheme of things.
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Matthew 19:24
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kiara
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posted on October 27, 2004 10:26:24 AM new
Yellowstone and Parklane, get real. Do you actually believe that all the insurgents vacated Afghanistan for Iraq? They are coming out of Iran also.
And you think that things are under control in Iraq? You guys must be listening to very slanted news because the rest of entire world knows different.
Click on this link......... look at the faces........ faces of the young and brave. Then come back and tell me nothing matters, that it's all under control and going as planned.
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/casualties/2004.10.html
Then there's Linda...... who can't face the reality either so she just talks about Canada/kiara/Canada/kiara to dull out the other voices of truth and ignore the general discussions so she doesn't have to deal with what a true screw-up her failed leader is.
Lindak, I have a suggestion for you, slap your PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN sticker on a suitcase and head for Iraq and sing your song to the people there.
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yellowstone
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posted on October 27, 2004 11:06:35 AM new
Do you actually believe that all the insurgents vacated Afghanistan for Iraq?
Kiara
Parklane may have been making reference to that in some way but I never said this, however, because you brought it up I will address it. I believe that most of the insurgents from Afghanistan are hiding in the mountainous regions of Pakistan.
Then come back and tell me nothing matters
Again something that I never said. Lets don't go and get off on the wrong foot here now, Kiara. Don't put words in my mouth.
They are coming out of Iran also.
Yes they are but I believe it is important to note that we cannot fight them at the borders because of the danger of dragging other countries into the conflict.
Kiara, I understand that you may just be adding emphasis to your posts by saying things that I never said but I suggest that you be careful with it because I won't allow it and I will call you on it everytime.
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Linda_K
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posted on October 27, 2004 11:13:13 AM new
lol - parklane - 
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I just get so tired of hearing 'what American does affects us' ...it's like then why don't you deal with taking care of what concerns YOUR country and we'll take care of ours. Don't be so dependent on us....that way you won't have to worry so much what decisions Americans make.
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kiara
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posted on October 27, 2004 11:36:12 AM new
My apologies for wording it that way, Yellowstone. I am having difficulty with this statement:
This lack of control that you keep talking about actually is under control.
Iran? If they were going to take out terrorists, that would have been the country to invade and not Iraq.
If it was 'under control' why do they train 50 new security officers and then send them home unarmed and with no protection so they get massacred? Someone should have been in control there to make sure that they were kept safe as they were a valuable asset.
How many times do they "take" Fallujah? A political decision to keep pulling out perhaps, but not a military one.
The insurgents have multiplied 20 times? over since the invasion of Iraq. Please explain to me if this is all 'under control' why do they allow them to keep expanding? I don't think that the strategy is to keep them coming into Iraq....... I think they are spreading even moreso worldwide now, making it more unsafe for all.
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kiara
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posted on October 27, 2004 11:39:02 AM new
Lindak, if you get so tired of hearing about it then why the heck do YOU bring it into every single topic on this board?
Face it, you can't deal with the real truth behind the topics on the RT so divert every topic you possibly can just so you can bash Canada/kiara. Get over it and move on.
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Linda_K
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posted on October 27, 2004 11:44:19 AM new
If it was 'under control' why do they train 50 new security officers and then send them home unarmed and with no protection so they get massacred? Someone should have been in control there to make sure that they were kept safe as they were a valuable asset.
If you'd ever read anything other than leftie sites you'd already have the answer to your above question.
It's because the Iraqi were in a big hurry to get home and tood a route that was deemed unsafe rather than the one they were advised to use.
See....simple answers.
And kiara on the Canadian issue. It's not Canada...it's YOU. It's not KD...it's you. It's not another poster that I believe is also Canadian..it's you.
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kiara
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posted on October 27, 2004 12:01:48 PM new
The security officers should have been armed and they should have had protection instead of being left on their own. Whoever was in charge should have had control over them and someone sold them out.
And kiara on the Canadian issue. It's not Canada...it's YOU. It's not KD...it's you. It's not another poster that I believe is also Canadian..it's you.
Linkak, if it's not about Canada and only about ME... get over it. I have no interest in you at all as I prefer males.
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Reamond
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posted on October 27, 2004 12:04:23 PM new
The plain and simple fact of the matter is that there are hundreds if not thousands of foreign terrorists (called insurgents) flowing in to Iraq to fight Americans.
That's another Bush lie. We're fighting Iraqis in Iraq who 1. Don't want us there, and 2. Don't want the leaders that we picked for them.
The "election" in Afghanistan is a farce. The CIA monkey that we placed in power was sure to win the election.
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Linda_K
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posted on October 27, 2004 12:12:16 PM new
The security officers should have been armed and they should have had protection instead of being left on their own. Whoever was in charge should have had control over them and someone sold them out.
Well then...maybe you should just head over to Iraq and tell all those military commanders just how you think it should be done.
I'm just sure they'd think you know better than they do with all your military training and decades of experience in war.
[ edited by Linda_K on Oct 27, 2004 12:14 PM ]
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kiara
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posted on October 27, 2004 12:16:21 PM new
Lindak, you don't need decades of experience to see the faults in this. It's the lack of common sense. Experience should have told them how dangerous this would be.
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logansdad
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posted on October 27, 2004 12:20:46 PM new
Linda: Well then...maybe you should just head over to Iraq and tell all those military commanders just how you think it should be done.
I'm just sure they'd think you know better than they do with all your military training and decades of experience in war
Look now she has smiles at the beginning and at the end of her posts. It must be the new way to get her point across.
Linda your statement above is no different than you supposed news reports of what is going on in Iraq. You keep claiming that everything is peachy and what we see is only the bad things. You don't know jack about what is going on there. You haven't stepped foot in Iraq so stop spreading your propaganda like it is the truth. Barbara Walters you are not so stop trying to be like her.
There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
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"Give it up for George W. Bush, the best friend international jihad ever had."
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kraftdinner
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posted on October 27, 2004 12:22:33 PM new
"I just get so tired of hearing 'what American does affects us' ...it's like then why don't you deal with taking care of what concerns YOUR country and we'll take care of ours. Don't be so dependent on us....that way you won't have to worry so much what decisions Americans make."
Linda! What a silly comment! You don't realize how much the world economy is tied up with the U.S. The only problems ANY country has, has to do with it's economy. The value of your dollar is shrinking, your deficit is exploding, you're in the middle of another Viet Nam, and you want others to just look away and mind their own business??
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maggiemuggins
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posted on October 27, 2004 12:35:47 PM new
[ edited by maggiemuggins on Oct 28, 2004 08:09 PM ]
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Linda_K
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posted on October 27, 2004 12:39:09 PM new
logansdad said: You keep claiming that everything is peachy and what we see is only the bad things.
Not correct, but no suprise there. I've never said it's 'peachy'...but I have pointed out the accomplishments being made there. I have reported on the good our soldiers share by their own experiences. It appears to me the left only wants to focus on the negative and not look at the big picture of what this means in the middle east. What benefit having a free Iraq and Afghanistan will mean to the future changes that might [hopefully] take place there.
You don't know jack about what is going on there.
LOL - I know a lot more than you'd ever give me credit for, that's a given. But you kerry supporters know much more than I do huh? It's just that I can see that to the terrorists it won't matter if we're lefties or righties....they want us all dead. And the lefties have their heads buried in the sand and are pretending there is no threat we need to be dealing with.
You haven't stepped foot in Iraq so stop spreading your propaganda like it is the truth. Barbara Walters you are not so stop trying to be like her. LOL How silly...how childish. If only those who are allowed to speak have to have been in Iraq...then NO ONE HERE will be discussing the subject.
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"And they, the interrogator went through all of these statements from John Kerry. He starts pounding on the table. 'See here, this naval officer, he admits that you are a criminal.'" Excerpt from "Stolen Honor"
- James H. Warner
Former Vietnam POW
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"I will never submit America's national security to an international test. The use of troops to defend America must never be subject to a veto by countries like France. The President's job is not to take an international poll -- the President's job is to defend America." --President George W. Bush
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Linda_K
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posted on October 27, 2004 12:43:51 PM new
It's the lack of common sense...says kiara.
True. I agree.....on the part of those who chose NOT to take the recommended path.
That's the problem that I constantly see in the lefties.....who should be held responsible. They always want to place the blame on someone that didn't have anything to do with it....rather than on the one who did/took the action that caused the event to happen.
And I'm not just referring to this case. It's a general lack of ability to see just WHOSE actions caused the problem.
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"And they, the interrogator went through all of these statements from John Kerry. He starts pounding on the table. 'See here, this naval officer, he admits that you are a criminal.'" Excerpt from "Stolen Honor"
- James H. Warner
Former Vietnam POW
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"I will never submit America's national security to an international test. The use of troops to defend America must never be subject to a veto by countries like France. The President's job is not to take an international poll -- the President's job is to defend America." --President George W. Bush
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Re-elect President Bush
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maggiemuggins
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posted on October 27, 2004 12:50:52 PM new
[ edited by maggiemuggins on Oct 28, 2004 07:45 PM ]
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