posted on November 4, 2004 01:21:45 PM newPeople want their civil rights and they want security. People want tradition and family values.
I am glad you finally realized why gays want to get married - rights that come along with marriage, tradition, a family.
Unfortunately what you seem to imagine is two men or two women engaged in a sexual act. What gives you the right to determine what goes on in a persons bedroom. If you get over this fact you would not have an issue about gay marriages.
There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
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posted on November 4, 2004 01:24:57 PM new
Kim this is for you:
Announcer: George W. Bush, now that you won a heated presidential race against John Kerry, what are you going to do to celebrate?
Bush: I am going to get drunk and snort a line with my daughters. I bet you thought I was going to say "I am going to Disney Land"
There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
---------------------------------- "Give it up for George W. Bush, the best friend international jihad ever had."
Rove and his organization have been in the sneaky business of associating the words "moral" and "values" with the Republican party for the last ten years. This year he was able to persuade a good percentage of American people to vote for Bush by believing that they were voting for "moral issues". As I mentioned in my previous comment, these voters have unknowingly empowered an administration that will now only care about the corporate elite.
George Bush is antithetical to any moral value that I can imagine.
posted on November 4, 2004 02:51:54 PM new
I suppose black churches did not push their congregation to vote for Kerry? What about college professors pushing their liberal ideas in the classroom? (been there seen that) What about that fat grease ball Michael Moore & his film full of lies? How about Hollywood & their load of BS?
As for a what happens in 2 years, It will be just like it was 2 years ago. The republicans will gain seats again. Clinton loss seats both times during his midterm elections.
Everyone loves to talk about the far right controlling the party, what about the far left? The have been controlling the Democraps for the last several years. This is why the south is becoming more Republican ever election. I hope the Democraps run even farther to the left. Had it not been for this war Bush might have even received 58%+ of the vote. The press & Dan Rather have tried every dirty trick in the book. With the average person getting their info from the evening news it is a wonder he even won.
As for helping the poor. It is time they get out of the wagon & pull. They not only do pay income tax they still get money back. A wise man once said that if you took all of the money in this country & split it evenly among everyone. In one year the rich would be rich & the poor would be poor again. I know I sound cold but you know it is true.
Some of us are tired of hearing you liberals b1tch & moan all of the time.
Cheryl What values is Bush pushing on you? Could it be that you lack some?
posted on November 4, 2004 03:02:04 PM new
logansdad
Get over it! It is clear most of the country agrees with me. You liberal believe that criminals can be reformed. It is ok you yank an 8 month old baby out kicking & screaming then suck out their brains. (partial birth abortion) You think we should give terrorism a pass like Clinton did for so many years. You think it was fine that Clinton burned his draft card, smoked dope, raped & assaulted women, get a blow job in the oval office. But when it comes to Bush’s past it is free game. At least he has reformed from his misguided youth. I am sure Clinton is the cheating on his wife. (who could blame him)
posted on November 4, 2004 03:41:30 PM new
Holy moly Kimlittle. Have you ever been sucked in by the propaganda. You've taken the path of least resistance and it shows.
Not true, Kimlittle. Is Karl Rove or Linda responsible for this propaganda? Actually, Bill Clinton won a Rhodes Scholarship and received a deferment. And he never committed the crimes that you mentioned.
American Rhodes Scholars are selected through a decentralized process by which
regional selection committees choose 32 Scholars each year from among those nominated
by selection committees in each of the fifty states. Through 2003, applicants from more
than 300 American colleges and universities had been selected as Rhodes Scholars. In
most years, even after a century of competition, a Rhodes Scholar is selected from an
institution which has not formerly supplied a successful applicant.
Extraordinary intellectual distinction is a necessary but not a sufficient condition for
election to a Rhodes Scholarship. Selection committees are charged to seek excellence in
qualities of mind and in qualities of person which, in combination, offer the promise of
effective service to the world in the decades ahead. The Rhodes Scholarships, in short, are
investments in individuals rather than in project proposals. Accordingly, applications are
sought from talented students without restriction as to their field of academic
specialization or career plans although the proposed course of study must be available at
Oxford, and the applicant’s undergraduate program must provide a sufficient basis for
study in the proposed field. Through the years, Rhodes Scholars have pursued studies in
all of the varied fields available at the University of Oxford.
posted on November 4, 2004 05:59:26 PM new
"The initiatives were on the ballot because DUMBYA had put a fear into people that the gay population is corrupting "the sanctity of marriage" which is going to lead to downfall of society"
While this may or may not be the personal belief of the President and any number of groups or organizations, it had nothing to do with the massive defeats of these bills.
The "sanctity of marriage" and the notion of "family" exists as far as the state is concerned for the conveying of certain benefits and exacting certain responsibilities for the benefit of the state. Marriage yields tax breaks to encourage raising children in a family unit and has legal expectations from the parties involved from which they just can't walk away.
The average person in the street sees no reason to extend this to same-sex marriage.
posted on November 4, 2004 06:07:55 PM newMarriage yields tax breaks to encourage raising children in a family unit and has legal expectations from the parties involved from which they just can't walk away.
And I suppose all those that get married and don't have children should have those tax breaks taken away? What about all those single parents that are raising children shouldn't they be granted tax breaks as well? You're reasoning is flawed.
What legal expectations are you talking about? The only legal expectations everyone has is to pay there taxes.
There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
---------------------------------- "Give it up for George W. Bush, the best friend international jihad ever had."
posted on November 4, 2004 09:25:28 PM new
Talk about spin. There was a tax penalty for being married till Bush came to town. Married parents are rewarded with tax credits for every child even if the make $15k a year the get $5k per child, so that takes care of your stupid penalty for no children. Should we reward a parent for not getting married? That worked well with welfare, they received allot more money if they did not get married. Whether they kept the father around or not. Face it there are allot of people that would stay single for a tax credit.
I just have one last stupid question. Have any of you on the left or right EVER changed anyone's mind with all of your b1tching?
By the way Kerry did not support gay marriage either along with allot of Democraps
posted on November 5, 2004 12:08:12 AM new
Hey Kimmy you little sWeetie, did you get all tingly and happy when you heard Elizabeth Edwards had breast cancer......any hahahahahahahah left for her?????.....you seem to hate the "democraps" so much the news should've made your day.
C'mon, KIMMY, email Elizabeth with a few of your HAHAHAHAHAAHAAHHHAHAHas....spread the hate..
You say, "Some of us are tired of hearing you liberals b1tch & moan all of the time"
Well who is the "some of us" you're speaking for ?
AND if you don't like it...go away!
We're hardly going to shut up because YOU are too stupid to stay out of a chat room where you don't like what's being said.
posted on November 5, 2004 04:45:02 AM newIt sure sounds like you are the one full of hate
And, discriminating against a group of people just because you don't agree with their lifestyle isn't hateful? To quote the great OP - ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Cheryl What values is Bush pushing on you? Could it be that you lack some?
I'll pit my values against yours anyday. This country is not made up of just Christians. It's a country made up of people of many different religions and lifestyles. I'm studying Buddhism. Does that make me any less worthy than a Christian? Not in my God's eyes it doesn't. Doesn't it say in the Christian bible, "judge not, lest ye be judged?" Doesn't it say, "render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's, unto God that which is God's"? How about, Leviticus 19:18 "Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD." How many of these "values" do you practice? From the sounds of your posts, the answer is "none".
twelve
The passage of the protect marriage acts hurt more than just gay couples. It hurt the elderly couples who choose to live together because two SS checks are better than one (my grandfather for example). After my grandmother died, he met a nice woman and they moved in together. They could not have survived living with one SS check due to medical issues so they didn't get married. It hurt heterosexual couples who live together. Ken and I will not be getting married. He has financial issues that I can't afford to have attached to me. It was the same with his sister who divorced her husband, but continued to live together because they loved each other. Staying married would have put them both into financial ruin instead of just one of them. These bills hurt them and me. They hurt thousands and thousands of straight people as well.
posted on November 5, 2004 04:53:48 AM new
It doesn't hurt you at all, it doesn't hurt anyone, all it does is clarify who can get married.
How will it hurt you or your grandparents...
Last I looked they won't stop receiving their checks...
What it does do in Ohio is stop "common law" marriage, nothing wrong with that.
What a business does for benefits is not affected by this. A business can decide to give benefits and allow benefits to whomever they choose... look at some posters thread about citicorp... who I will no longer do business with if at all possible...
The point is these new laws are the backlash I was speaking of earlier this year, these issues did not "just" pass, but passed by a major majority... people do not want homosexual marriage it is an affront to all decent people.
Apparently, you aren't as informed as you'd like to think. Issue 1 prevents me from inheriting property from Ken (his family can fight his will and win thanks to this law), it prevents me from entering into a contract with Ken. It essentially says that although we've been together for 6 happy years, it means nothing. It is not just about gay marriage. And, had that fact been more clearly stated at the polls, I guarantee you the outcome would have been different. It's the Christian fundamentalists' group attempt at keeping ANYONE from living together. Again, marriage is a religious issue NOT a government one.
"the amendment would likely jeopardize adoptions, custody orders, wills, powers of attorney, and other legal arrangements that “approximate the effect” of marriage for either same-sex or unmarried opposite-sex couples."
And another thing you are ill-informed about, Ohio hasn't had "common law marriage" protection in YEARS.
posted on November 5, 2004 05:43:34 AM new
Unless you sign on the dotted line, it means nothing and you are entitled to nothing. And if you hang out for 6 yrs without signing on the dotted line, you are entitled to nothing and are crazy besides.
posted on November 5, 2004 05:53:08 AM new
desquirrel
I don't think it's crazy to not want my name attached to an IRS debt. His former employer created real problems for his employees and it will take a long time to get out from under it. I owe no one and would like to keep it that way! Not that I can afford a trip to a warmer climate or anything. It's too darned cold here!!!!!
posted on November 5, 2004 06:04:02 AM new
Yes, but Cheryl the basis for your previous position is akin to going to court and saying "but judge, he promised me $10k on my birthday." There is no legal contract. You want to have legal enforcement where no legal agreement exists. Even without a law regarding common law unions you could STILL be protected with a will (which could be changed on a whim).
posted on November 5, 2004 06:45:19 AM new
Twinkle toes, all this law will do is a set a bad precedent in the legislative branch. Our country was formed on a system of checks and balances. If Congress wants to pass a law without giving the Supreme Court a chance to decide whether or not the law is constitutional goes against everything this country was founded upon. How would you like it if Congress passed a law prohibiting Caucasians from getting married to Asian people without the Supreme Court being able to determine if the law was constitutional?(I am using an example that you will understand).
I am sure the women of the country would not like it if Congress passed a bill outlawing abortion. Sorry we passed the law, the Supreme Court can't make a decision in the matter. Our decision is final.
You are going to say this is a silly example and it won't happen. Yes, it might be a stretch of the imagination but if you start passing laws that prohibit the Supreme Court from weighing in, what's next. Just wait until you get a Democratic president with control of both houses and then you will see what laws are passed without allowing the Supreme Court to weigh in.
Kim: By the way Kerry did not support gay marriage either along with allot of Democraps
And there was a lot of Democratic and Republican senators that did not support Bush's idea of amending the constitution just because they were against gay marriage. Unlike Bush these people have tolerance and know what this country was founded upon. I am sure you would be in favor of kicking out all the foreigners of this country.
You conservatives have yet to prove how gay marriages will corrupt society. You are against it just because you don't like to people of the same sex engaged in a sexual act.
There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
---------------------------------- "Give it up for George W. Bush, the best friend international jihad ever had."
posted on November 5, 2004 07:28:55 AM new
Personally I could care less about gay marriage. It does not matter to me & is not an issue. I personally feel homosexuality is wrong but I also do not think it is a choice. I grew up with a kid next door. I could tell even before I knew what gay was that he is different. He is still a friend to this day. As long as you are in a faithful loving relationship I am happy for you. I agree with the VP, It should be the individual states that decide. But I believe that should be the case with almost everything that happens in DC. They were never meant to have so much power.
posted on November 5, 2004 07:55:10 AM new
kim: but I also do not think it is a choice. I grew up with a kid next door. I could tell even before I knew what gay was that he is different. He is still a friend to this day.
How old were you when you thought your friend was gay and how old was he at the time?
There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
---------------------------------- "Give it up for George W. Bush, the best friend international jihad ever had."
posted on November 5, 2004 07:56:57 AM new
Kim the classlessness, bitterness, nastiness, and stupidity coming from your OP says it ALL about what a piece of dirt you are.
But a question...why do neonazicons like you, whenever someone disagrees with them or proves them to be idiots, resort to the accusation of "bitterness". Why is that the first word off your drooling lips?
I wil repeat my post that several people missed including the ones who think my comments about Elizabeth Edwards and the Republicans were out of line.
Concerning the OP:
""For the parents who lost a child, a husband or wife who lost their spouse, sister, brother, or friend in Iraq....Kimlittle has a message for you.........
For the thousands of people who lost their jobs that they went to school and worked hard for, Kimlittle has a message for you.....
For those who pay $2.00 a gallon for gas, Kimlittle has a message for you......
For those who will pay 35% more to heat your home(or not) this winter, Kimlittle has a message for you.....
For those who cannot attend their life long partner and friend as they lay dying in the hospital, Kimlittle has a message for you......
For the elderly who have worked hard all their lives and now can't afford food AND medication, Kimlittle has a message for you......
For the children whose parents can't afford to feed them, Kimlittle has a message for you......
For the ultra rich, bush's base, in regard to the huge tax break he gave you, Kimlittle cheers you on....
For my elderly aunt who struggles to pay her quickly rising property taxes and all the new "service" fees like street lighting, the higher cost of her ambulance ride, and all the other things that rose in price because the rich got a huge tax break, Kimlittle has a message for you.....
For all the sportmen who can't eat the fish they caught because pollution control of large companies is almost non-existent, Kimlittle has a message for you.....
For classy, gracious winners of any contest, Kimlittle has a mesage for you......""
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Actually, Bill Clinton won a Rhodes Scholarship and received a deferment. And he never committed the crimes that you mentioned.