posted on November 3, 2004 08:15:01 AM new
popular vote? (Lets make this a discussion and not a bashing). I honestly didn't think he would win the popular vote by such a large margin. It was just announced on television that Bush received more popular vote than any president in history. Also announced that Kerry has conceeded the election.
I for one will not say I told you so, and I would hope that others will do the same.
I never thought as we never think our candidate will lose. My take is that the American People were never told by Mr. Kerry what his Plans would be. If he would have had plans for just a few of the things he wanted to do and make them known I think he would have done better. He jumped from plan to plan with no announcement how he would do or fund those plans.
Why did Bush win in Florida by 30,000 votes when it was such a problem 4 years ago? That is a mystery to me.
I, for one, congratulate the Kerry supporters that stuck by their convictions and I understand your convictions for your candidate. It was a tough campaign.
Lets hope this discussion board becomes just that. a discussion.
posted on November 3, 2004 08:41:45 AM new
It's good to see you back, libra.
I think there were many reasons American's chose to re-elect President Bush.
First, historically we haven't ever voted out a President when we're at war. [Least not that I'm aware of.]
Second, kerry just didn't have a plan for anything. What he would state as his plans, he never would address the concerns people had about how he planned to pay for them.
And, thirdly, he kept changing his positions on way too many issues.
He basically based his campaign mainly on not what he'd do, but rather what this administration was doing wrong. Very, very negative. Especially when he'd voted for many things that he was complaining about. ie: The war...the patriot act...no child left behind...spending/deficit all the while promising to spend trillions more.
He had no plan for Social Security and the problems it faces. He pretty much just wanted to keep it as it currently is....and we KNOW that won't work.
I don't think he had the support of the majority of religious people...including those of his own faith.
I know he didn't have the trust of the majority of our military and vets to be their CIC.
And I also believe the vets who spoke out against his VN actions, siding with our enemies, took it's toll too.
He had no credits he could brag about for his 20 year Senate history.
Our economy has improved...and more than one of the swing states unemployment numbers had improved...so that wasn't as big an issue as the dems had hope to make it.
And there's no denying that many people felt more assured that this President would be the best man to handle our war on terrorism.
So all together, and I'm sure with even more issues than I've mentioned, this country, rightly so, decided to let President Bush finish what he started. And I believe we're on the right track.
posted on November 3, 2004 10:18:26 AM new
I don't think it was so much Bush as against Kerry. America is a conservative, isolationist country, and always has been.
For years, traditional American values have been under attack. Every half baked, liberal, politically correct, lowest common denominator theory has been rammed down the average guy's throat by courts and legislatures appealing to small groups to secure their place in the press.
Americans are tolerant of many things, but are have reached a point where they just say ENOUGH. You have no problem with the living and working with gay people, but your 8 year old brings home a text book with Ted & Ken's "alternate life style" or you come upon a parade of nude people with pastel painted genitals.
You live your life by your own moral center whether you define it via a diety or the concepts of some dead European socialist. Yet, you are the majority, forced to observe a secularist crusade against your own beliefs.
Finally you say ENOUGH. You make a symbolic vote, because it really doesn't matter who is President. Conress runs the domestic affairs of the country. And Kerry's loss will not find Penn, Streisand, or Moore fleeing to the People's Republic of (fill in the blank). They don't pay well there. Don't worry about the family estates at Beacon Hill or Hyannisport getting smaller as Kerry fed and clothed the poor, it wasn't happening.
posted on November 3, 2004 10:45:25 AM new
The conservative and Christian values of Pres Bush on abortion and same sex marriages played a majority of the difference. Along with his stance on keeping America strong against terrorism.
A strong turn out of older Vets that voted for Pres Bush also helped. Hey, hey Ho, ho Kerry - sign the 1-8-0
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The person who has nothing for which he is willing
to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
--John Stuart Mill
posted on November 3, 2004 10:46:11 AM new
The big mistake was kerry winning the primary election. Many people had no idea about his anti-war past. And yes America is becoming more interested in values which is good. Until the democrats change their views I really cant see them winning.
posted on November 3, 2004 10:49:59 AM new
I agree with all of you-everytime i turned on the TV set and watched Kerry campaigning-he is promising everything to everyone,HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE??
He also did not bring much credential to the table,despite his military salute and his record as war hero?? and senator from MA.
I see they kept Teresa in the closet most of the time,smart move,she is not helping him.
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posted on November 3, 2004 07:43:51 PM new
Bush won because he paid great lip service to the christian right. They bought his line and turned out in droves to support him, thanks to a superbly oiled Republican get out the vote effort. This election was won on religious grounds. The man who makes no bones about the fact that he's chosen by god to be president, now has a mandate from the people to pursue his ends. Scary, but I bet it will backfire for him and the people who pull his strings and make his mouth move.
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Dick Cheney: "I have not suggested there's a connection between Iraq and 9/11..."
What is meant by the comment, "America is becoming more interested in values." How does that interest in "values" manifest itself by voting for a man such as Bush who lies to the American people while he condones unscrupulous attacks on the character and military career of a man such as John Kerry? What values are we talking about?
posted on November 3, 2004 09:50:01 PM new
Allthough I believe that the Swift Boat Vets for Truth did play a major roll in convincing people that Kerry had no credibility, I believe that people thought that Kerry would waffle in the face of terrorism because of his military record. So, when people saw the films of innocent non-combatant civilians pleading for thier lives and then getting thier heads cut off anyways, I believe they thought that Bush would do a better job of protecting us than Kerry would have and that Bush won't back down to the terrorists.
posted on November 3, 2004 11:03:15 PM new
Colon
The thing is that I believe that some Deomcrats saw through Kerry but took the attitude of anyone but Bush.
posted on November 3, 2004 11:16:59 PM new
Yellow says, " So, when people saw the films of innocent non-combatant civilians pleading for thier lives and then getting thier heads cut off anyways,I believe they thought that Bush would do a better job of protecting us than Kerry would have and that Bush won't back down to the terrorists.
posted on November 3, 2004 11:28:08 PM new
Ho hum, and yet you still do not get it Crowfarm, the beheadings happened in Iraq. Bush will protect us from that same thing happening ON OUR OWN SOIL.
So sad of you to try twist what I meant in my post.
posted on November 3, 2004 11:53:38 PM new
Oh, so sorry, I slipped up and forgot for a second that you neonazicons don't give a red hot damn what happens to anyone but yourselves.....my apologies!
Oh and Hi Libra, I see you haven't changed.
You said, "My take is that the American People were never told by Mr. Kerry what his Plans would be. If he would have had plans for just a few of the things he wanted to do and make them known I think he would have done better. He jumped from plan to plan with no announcement how he would do or fund those plans."
Well, Edith, Kerry explained his plans over and over but you were holding your hand over your ears and CHOSE not to listen. He also said MANY times that one way to fund his programs was to take back the HUGE tax break scuzbagbush gave to the richest people in this country!
posted on November 4, 2004 03:05:27 AM new
What makes many of you confused is how you define "hero". Kerry may be a "hero" for aiding the enemy while there were troops in the field, but not by most people's definition. I would say if you wanted a SINGLE explanation, this was it. I know 3-4 guys who were all drafted and who hadn't voted since 1960, who got out and voted only to vote against Kerry.
posted on November 4, 2004 05:47:05 AM new
Now the name calling begins. Evidently you can't debate without the name calling and the hate that you have. It is going to be a long 4 years for you. I sat back and took a rest maybe you should do the same. Just read the threads and see the hate that there was in there. Evidently you can't understand that others have opinions also not just you. Why not discuss like an adult, leave the name calling and the swearing out of your posts. I am sure you are an intelligent person but with the things that you post makes me wonder. Now I am not going away. Since you don't own this discussion board we all have a right to post.
It's to bad you don't know me as I am not the stupid person you think I am. I am sorry you have to attack me and if it continues thank goodness there is an ignore button. Evidently you can't stay on the subject and post and tell why you think Bush won the popular vote. Well today they announced it and it was because of moral values.
posted on November 4, 2004 10:17:45 AM new
C'mon libra63, you can't have it both ways. At least crowfarm has the guts to say things direct to you. Not like you hiding behind your other ID to cruelly attack Yeager and talk down to the rest of us and then coming back in here again now, telling us you had a rest, like none of that ever happened.
posted on November 4, 2004 10:56:08 AM new
We still have a lot of people who do believe in God and are not willing to let things like gay marriages take over the country. As long as this country has Christian people who will stand up against things like that we will remain a country under God. The other side has four more years to try to get rid of Bush and God.When they finally get rid of God I hope I get to leave too.
posted on November 4, 2004 11:02:31 AM new
Mah, You can have your "god" ..... I just want his asp kept out of MY government!
I want equality in this country for ALL citizens, it's a sorry situation when you "god" people want to rule and call the shots as to who should or shouldn't have rights according to your "god".
posted on November 4, 2004 12:31:49 PM new
Crowfarm, here's a simple solution for you and anyone else that doesn't like the direction the country is going, in one word; VOTE.
No amount of stomping you're feet, flailing you're arms about and moaning you're disatisfaction won't change a thing.
There is one other solution I can think of for the problem that you percieve that you and others like you are facing. You can join the throngs of others who are expressing an interest in leaving the USA and starting a new life in another country. If you do this, I have just one suggestion for if and when you or others decide that this is the best course of action as a reaction to take. You or they should make it official and renounce you're US citizenship. At the time that any decide to do this, I say, as I flick my hand across my shoulder, see ya, I wouldn't wanna be ya.
posted on November 4, 2004 12:45:51 PM newBush will protect us from that same thing happening ON OUR OWN SOIL.
And just how do you think Bush will do this? If terrorists are determined, they will find a way. Our boarders are not protected as well as you think. If you keep thinking planes will be flown into building and we will see another 9/11, I think you are mistaken. There are many more ways to have another attack as big as 9/11. It may be biological or chemical. And who says it will be done by foreigners. Have you already forgotten about the Oklahoma Federal Building? You get a bunch of people that think like Timothy Mcveigh and we will have another 9/11 situation.
Who was president on 9/11 - Bush. How did he protect us then?
There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
---------------------------------- "Give it up for George W. Bush, the best friend international jihad ever had."
posted on November 4, 2004 08:22:33 PM new
Kiara I hate to tell you this but I have only one Vendio ID. You can write to Vendio and ask them but I have only one ID. I have only one user ID on eBay. I sell and buy under only one ID. Septembermom is not my ID.
I chose to leave when Crowfarm got so vocal and all I did was read these boards. I did come in once when maggie used my name and said I wasn't posting and I didn't appreciate her using my name.
I am not like Maggie who posted under Dr. Dolittle when she was on her vendio vacation, which by the way was illegal.
Is case you don't know it you and crowfarm do not own this discussion board. I know that you think you do but look again it says vendio.
As Dave said fear AND ignorance. Once you instill fear into any person or group, you can manipulate them into almost anything you want. Salespeople do it all the time. A couple of examples might be that home alarm salesperson who tells you of the horror of finding a complete stranger in your home when you arrive. The funeral director that tell you the most expensive casket is better for your loved one. Or the president running for reelection who tells you he can make the world safer for YOUR children. Now, who wouldn't want a safe world for their children?
posted on November 4, 2004 09:00:35 PM newOH LOOK, IT'S THE BOARD RAT..YOU KNOW THE ONE THAT RUNS SNITCHING TO VENDIO ABOUT OTHERS TO GET THEM BOOTED... NOW THE WHINING, SNIVELING, AND SQUEALING WILL START ALL OVER AGAIN.
posted on November 4, 2004 09:20:09 PM new
How childish you are maggie. You are showing your true liberal john kerry side. Well I have to admit John Kerry has more class than you will ever have. Why Vendio gave you your vacation you did something against the Vendio Rules in the eBay outlook. I know you can't admit it but you did. Vendio say it and said Swish to you. Then you come back in as Dr. DoLittle and pretend that you need help. I didn't get it right away and I did try to help you UNTIL I realized who you really were. I did have help from another poster but they should be nameless. They even hinted on this board. Oh well, it just goes to show the mentality of some liberals on this board. I am sure it will never stop because you just can't admit that the majority of the American people voted for George W. Bush. It was John kerry that was giving all the liberals a snow job and by the time the election came they saw through him. Now continue to stalk me I really don't care.
Now start emailing all your RT friends so that they can do the same.
Now you prove to me that I had another ID.
posted on November 4, 2004 10:03:00 PM new
“Mah, You can have your "god" ..... I just want his asp kept out of MY government!”
If I remember right this government was formed by god fearing Christians. They never intended for god to be left out of government. They just did not want a state established religion like they had in the church of England.
As for 9-11 at least Bush did something. They were in this country planning & training long before Bush. Do you think that would not have happened if Gore was the president? What did Clinton do to stop Osoma?
posted on November 4, 2004 10:04:36 PM new
I see your followers are starting to enter, soon they all will come in and give you a big pat on the back. Soon your Red hat will not fit on your head.
You are wrong Maggie. I did not report you from the Round Table. What you post here Vendio doesn't care about if you had done your research. It is when you took your vendetta to the EO did they step in and you found yourself gone. You need to follow rules, but then again since your name is maggie I guess you don't have to. No rules in the RT but in the EO there is. Get over it. You screwed up, (Opps probably the wrong word) You paid the penalty which you then didn't observe and then came back as nasty as ever.
Did you say 4 marriages. Did you finally find a man that could stand you.
