posted on November 12, 2004 05:59:04 PM new
Nero - the conflict runs on two levels - first there is the age old arguement regarding basic land rights. Following World War 2 the world brought pressure down upon the Brits to create a jewesh state within the confines of what was effectively a british colony run and inhabited by Islamic Palestinians. Picture... the world demanding that Louisiana be handed over as a French state. All current residents must leave. Got a house? Too bad. Own a business? Hope you can move it. Think natives of New Orleans would be happy?
Now for the current conflict.... Biggest problem is this damn wall that Isreal wants to construct. You see they don't just want a wall on their border... they want to dictate how far from the wall on the Palestinian side others are allowed to reside. Picture those new French inhabitants building a wall along the border and then deciding that some of those damn texans are a little closer to the wall on their side than they would like so they send over a few bulldozers and take out those homes and businesses on the Texas side that they don't care for the location of.
Think any of those good ole Texas boys may pull the gun of the rack in the truck and let someone know what they think?
The actions of the Palestinian terrorists are horrendous, and I think anyone would be hard put to find logical justification for them. But when you look at the immediate situation of people made homeless, and also jobless (many Palestinians work on the Isreali side and when Israel decides to close the crossing they deny those individuals the ability to work and earn a wage) by the Israelis actions, toss in a few decades of ongoing hostilities, a few centuries of religious conflict and, thanks to the acts of a german madman, a foe that no non islamic country will ever bring iteself to denounce no matter what they may do, it's not all that difficult to understand the level of frustration and helplessness they feel which brings them to such acts.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
posted on November 12, 2004 06:43:57 PM new
hi fenix, thanks...I knew you would know as you are well up on the middle east. You can explain it much simpler too. I did go out on the web a bit ago and read the history about the british colonization, etc. Because I knew that I read somewhere along the line it was once palestinan land. It appears the british promised to allow them to nationalize if they fought off (some enemy - I forget who) and then regnegged on the deal to gain influxing jewish/israelie support. And then the majority of the land wound up going to the israelies instead of being fairly divided up. I also read the UN has never recognized the state of Israel since they declared it so back in 1948? I didnt go into it too much further because I have a lot to do tonight, but I was wondering if by saying that, what does UN recognition have to do with international laws involved?
Anyway, I, too, think that whole wall thing is terribly degrading for the palestinian people. I agree with about the terroristic bombing and sucides...but,I dont think they feel they have much left to lose... - what do they have of their own? They view that giant wall daily to remind them they live like prisoners/captured animals over there, I dont know how the Israelies think that should command respect for their lives.
posted on November 12, 2004 07:11:41 PM new
I think the world is better off without Arafat. Maybe now a peace agreement can be reached. It will have a better chance that it did with him as their leader anyway.
I agree with kimlittle....he totally missed the best opportunity he had by not agreeing to the 2000 offer. Imo, the reason he didn't/wouldn't agree is because it wouldn't matter how much they got...that's not what they want. They want Israel gone...period. Nothing short of that will ever make them happy.
On the wall, I totally approve and think since it's been proven that there are less bombings...it's working. And working very well.
For the Palestinian people who are losing their livelyhood....that should be a good reason for them to turn against the terrorists in their group. But they haven't because they're too angry, hateful and want all Israeli's dead and they support their killings.
I have absolutely NO sympathy for the Palestinians and think Israel had held back on doing what needs to be done for way too many years. We, in America, would have taken care of any group killing our innocent citizens years ago. I think they've shown extreme patience for too many years, and as with all terrorists, they see that as a weakness and keep taking advantage of the situation.
Maybe now with this terrorist dead...things might just have a chance to change.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Four More Years....YES!!!
posted on November 13, 2004 04:17:20 AM newOn the wall, I totally approve and think since it's been proven that there are less bombings...it's working. And working very well.
Linda, I dont know how you can say that. It's not working for the palestinians!! They are an oppressed and displaced people. Yes, they are angry, but they're not all terrorists, either - and that wall is just making them angerier. Israel is very powerful now, but given their history and how they were run from Europe and murdered in mass, they should not be doing it to another culture. Give the people their land and let them "live". That is the same principal behind our restoration effort in Iraq, is it not? Israel has more than enough, imo, they dont have to get on like big Middle East hogs.
posted on November 13, 2004 09:04:40 AM new
I think you have it wrong neroter, the Palestinians do not want to live in peace with the Israeli's, just suicide bomb...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
Bigotry and prejudice -- these are assertions, not arguments. This is name-calling, not case-building.
posted on November 13, 2004 09:40:45 AM new
LOL Classic, Yes they are all over displace and datplace. They tell their buddies before leaving; "well hey I gotta split now, half of me is going that way and the other half is going the other way"
I did go out on the web a bit ago and read the history about the british colonization, etc. Because I knew that I read somewhere along the line it was once palestinan land. It appears the british promised to allow them to nationalize if they fought off (some enemy - I forget who) and then regnegged on the deal to gain influxing jewish/israelie support. And then the majority of the land wound up going to the israelies instead of being fairly divided up. I also read the UN has never recognized the state of Israel since they declared it so back in 1948? I didnt go into it too much further because I have a lot to do tonight, but I was wondering if by saying that, what does UN recognition have to do with international laws involved?
