dadofstickboy
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posted on November 27, 2004 04:39:45 PM new
While we're on the subject of Killing Children:
What is your thought on SID's?
Mine is: Child Abuse, Killing/Murder!
I think it's a way out!
Just the way "Mental Health" is used every day by Adult Criminals as an Excuse!
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stopwhining
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posted on November 27, 2004 04:44:03 PM new
I think most couples do want kids,and i dont mean dozens of them to the point where parents just cant afford to raise them.
Who are we to say so and so should not have kids??
But what i dont like these days is that there are so many single mom ,working and not making ends meet (like working for Walmart).I only wish they exercise better judgment whom they marry and whom they have children with so their marriage will work for the benefits of the kids.
Just think of the poor kids being raised by single mom,she will some day be a single mom and her kids will be single mom and so on and so forth.
And if the single mom does remarried,the kid does not get along with their stepfather and end up being abused or run away from home,sad??
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crowfarm
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posted on November 27, 2004 04:50:56 PM new
dadofstick, So could your son.
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crowfarm
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posted on November 27, 2004 04:59:21 PM new
Stopwhining says, "Who are we to say so and so should not have kids??
But what i dont like these days is that there are so many single mom ,working and not making ends meet "
Who are we? WE are the people who see what happens to children that are unwanted, un-prepared for, uncared for, abused, and neglected.
You say that and you turn right around and say you don't like single moms working and not making ends meet.....same thing.
We WISH we could have them think first but how many people(women and MEN) do?
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maggiemuggins
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posted on November 27, 2004 05:16:05 PM new
SID'S child abuse, murder, killing??
I am curious why you have such strong feelings about this, Dado? I have never known anyone who had a baby die with SID'S.
But I thought that there was a medical cause for SID'S? Like the baby's breathing mechanism wasn't working properly or something?
And....talking about people ill equipped to handle child rearing... it seems at least once a month, in my local Walmart Super Center..there is some mother(sorry to say it is always the Mother, that I have observed) yelling and smacking and rough handling their little kids.. I'd say 9 out of 10 times it is a Black mother openly knocking a little one around...and they don't care who sees them do it!..
[ edited by maggiemuggins on Nov 27, 2004 05:22 PM ]
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dadofstickboy
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posted on November 27, 2004 05:23:01 PM new
stopwhining:
My thought on the subject is:
Society is to accepting.
And parents are too liberal in the way they raise their children.
I was raised to believe there is no excuse for Bastard children or unwanted children!
I've raised 4 stickboys!
They have been Harped on and Preached at Over & Over that there is no reason to have children out of Wedlock!
So far I have 2 that are married.
1- Has no children because he & his wife don't want any.
So be it.
1- Has been married for 2 years and just presented us with our first Grandchild!
1- Dates and breaks up quite readily when his girl friends start talking of Children.
He's not ready to Marry or have Children.
The 4th. still young but old enough, time will tell!
I remember when my wife and I got married, on our Honeymoon she wanted to start a family right then.
And I told her:
We should be married at least a Year before we started making Kid's!
*The way I was raised, was to see if the Marriage worked for the 2 of us before bringing others into the pic.
Usually if a Marriage won't work you'll know in the first year, and that's a good time to get out if it don't!
I feel there's no sense in leaving Children behind without both parents!
*Actually I wasn't raised that way, I come from a broken home and it Sucked!
The way I had my Kids,and taught my Kids I Do believe is the right thing to do.
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dadofstickboy
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posted on November 27, 2004 05:25:06 PM new
dadofstick, So could your son.
What has he said to give you that impression?
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dadofstickboy
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posted on November 27, 2004 05:32:29 PM new
maggiemuggins:
[i]I am curious why you have such strong feelings about this, Dado? I have never known anyone who had a baby die with SID'S.
But I thought that there was a medical cause for SID'S? Like the baby's breathing mechanism wasn't working properly or something?[/i]
Sudden Infant Death!
What a Great way to get rid of your Kids,Suddenly without warning!
I don't know anyone either.
And it's possible.
But I have never seen and Medical proof that it exists!
To me at this point in time it's more Hear-say than anything else.
And if it can't be Medically proven it's just another Excuse!
When We brought our New Born's home, I slept with one ear open.
And there were times when they skipped a breath or two.
But I was aware of it and ready to do something about it!
Never came to that,but if it did, and I did nothing, it would have been my fault!
Not SID's!
[ edited by dadofstickboy on Nov 27, 2004 05:43 PM ]
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maggiemuggins
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posted on November 27, 2004 05:36:37 PM new
I thought I heard something recently about the vaccinations that we give our infants have been linked with SIDS??
All I know, is that for the first year of my kids life, I didn't sleep, stayed up listening to make sure they were breathing, even patted their back to make sure.... LOL...
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replaymedia
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posted on November 27, 2004 05:48:18 PM new
I read a thing a few months back, I dunno where anymore about SIDS. It said that SIDS may be caused by having the environment be too "womb-like."
Exactly the right temperature, right moisture, too quiet, too comfortable, etc. It triggers a response in very young babies to return to their womb-state, which does not include breathing. Babies do not breath in-utero. So if they reach this mental comfort stage, they stop breathing.
So the best thing to do is have the room just a little cool or have a white-noise source in the background (like static) just to keep the baby's room from being too quiet.
I'm no doctor or parent, but it sounds reasonable to me. At least it's taking a positive step to TRY to prevent SIDS. These preventative measures can't hurt at least.
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dadofstickboy
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posted on November 27, 2004 06:02:50 PM new
We have a local store that collects money for SID's research.
People put money in there by the tons.
I won't give a penny!
It's not Cancer or Diabetes.
Aren't I cold Hearted: Bull S-h-i-t!
Has anyone ever heard of a Child dieing in a Hospital of SID's?
Where there are Doctors & Nurses to watch them!
No!!
They die at home, how convenient!
To me it's Child neglet and I'll be Damn if I'll contribute to it!
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Helenjw
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posted on November 27, 2004 06:03:08 PM new
There is some good information about SID infant death syndrome on the Mayo Clinic site. These deaths are investigated and atopsies verify that the deaths are not murder as dadofstickboy has suggested.
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dadofstickboy
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posted on November 27, 2004 06:10:52 PM new
So Helen!
This is the first sentence of your read:
The cause of SIDS remains elusive.
So where is the Proof that I'm wrong?
Death and autopsies prove what?
That the Baby quite breathing and now is dead!
Can you imagine that?
Where does that prove me Wrong?
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Helenjw
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posted on November 27, 2004 06:16:09 PM new
Autopsies can prove that a baby was not murdered, dadofstickboy beyond a shadow of a doubt.
The fact that several factors can contribute to the condition cannot lead to your conclusion of murder.
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dadofstickboy
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posted on November 27, 2004 06:18:15 PM new
Gee Helen:
Fast to C&P.
Fast to comment.
Slow to answer!
Why don't you C&P all the Deaths they had @ the: Maio Clinic during the research?
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dadofstickboy
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posted on November 27, 2004 06:24:08 PM new
Yeah right Helen:
A baby quits breathing during the night.
Mommy or Daddy holds something over his face, an autopsy will definitely show that!
We're not talking about Old Hard Asses like you or Me who might Struggle or Put up a Fight.
We're talking or a New Born who will easily Succumb!
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kraftdinner
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posted on November 27, 2004 06:25:23 PM new
Dadofstickboy, if you think these babies are murdered, how would they do it without it showing up at autopsy?
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Helenjw
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posted on November 27, 2004 06:28:18 PM new
Dadofstickboy,
Autopsies rule out suffocation and all other possibilities of murder. Most states require an autopsy in the case of Sudden Infant Death because of this.
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maggiemuggins
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posted on November 27, 2004 06:31:37 PM new
Replay, I think that makes a lot of sense!
So many new parents try to keep the baby tightly swaddled and warm and no one dares talk above a whisper... very interesting...
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dadofstickboy
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posted on November 27, 2004 06:38:27 PM new
SID's
Sudden Infant Death:
Is known to be a case where the Child quits breathing!
Now you tell me: Kraft or Helen!
Your a Pathologist:
You have a Dead Child laying on the table in front of you.
You get out you knife and start cutting every way to Tuesday.
HOW do YOU as an Educated Expert Conclude that he Quite Breathing on his own with NO help?
I know your Experts so you need not be reminded, that this Child offered no resistance,No struggle,No Biting,No Scratching!
Maybe you cut open his/ hers brain and Read it there!
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Helenjw
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posted on November 27, 2004 06:45:02 PM new
Your a Pathologist
No, I'm not a pathologist or a doctor or a pediatrician. I rely on what a very large community of those people all over the world tell me.
There are methods of observing the blood, tissues, bruises etc that are reliable indicators of the cause of death.
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dadofstickboy
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posted on November 27, 2004 06:45:17 PM new
You know Guy's!
This is my opinion!
Until there is proof that my Theory is wrong,I won't change it!
Like Helen's C&P stated:The cause of SIDS remains elusive.
You can argue it for ever and you will never and not change your opinion.
To each their own!
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Helenjw
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posted on November 27, 2004 06:55:01 PM new
You read that on the Mayo site. There are many diseases without known causes. Someday, there may be an answer. Possible irregularities in the brain and heart are being investigated right now. In the meantime it's wrong to call these deaths murder.
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dadofstickboy
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posted on November 27, 2004 06:55:49 PM new
One last Word!
Helen:
"Your a Pathologist:
You have a Dead Child laying on the table in front of you.
You get out you knife and start cutting every way to Tuesday.
HOW do YOU as an Educated Expert Conclude that he Quite Breathing on his own with NO help?"
That was not a factual statement your being a Doctor: Helen!
It was a Hypothetical Question.
I was asking for your thought.
There is NOTHING anywhere to prove me wrong!
Even though I very well could BE!
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Helenjw
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posted on November 27, 2004 07:00:01 PM new
At least you realize the possibility that you could be wrong. I think that you are underestimating the ability of the pathologist to determine cause of death by performing an autopsy.
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dadofstickboy
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posted on November 27, 2004 07:07:55 PM new
You read that on the Mayo site. There are many diseases without known causes. And someday, there may be an answer.
What do you think? Helen!
Want my opinion on: Cancer,Diabetes.
Bleeding Heart Grants, will keep Cures from Ever Being Found!
Just enough progress to keep the Money flowing in!
The Worst Viruses,Plagues,etc.
Were cured and brought to a Screeching halt.
When the concern was Mankind Not the Almighty Dollar!
And Technology was nothing compared to today!
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replaymedia
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posted on November 27, 2004 08:43:14 PM new
This is one of those cases where you are BOTH right.
There is plenty of evidence to support the fact that SIDS is "real." Helen is right on the money with her info.
HOWEVER, it's also extremely easy to "fake" in the case of an unwanted child. HOW could an autopsy show the difference without a struggle? The child stopped breathing. Yeah, well WHY? Dadofstickboy is ALSO absolutly correct.
There is no reason both situations cannot be true. Every case is different.
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Helenjw
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posted on November 27, 2004 09:08:23 PM new
"HOWEVER, it's also extremely easy to "fake" in the case of an unwanted child. HOW could an autopsy show the difference without a struggle? The child stopped breathing. Yeah, well WHY? Dadofstickboy is ALSO absolutly correct."
No, it's not easy to fake. Autopsies are a very reliable method to determine how a baby died. Suffocation can be determined versus the breathing failure that is characteristic of Sids death.
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Helenjw
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posted on November 27, 2004 09:23:40 PM new
If you want to research the pathology that is clearly evident in such cases you can google
pathology of sudden infant death syndrome 2004
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stopwhining
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posted on November 28, 2004 05:33:23 AM new
i was watching that Walmart show on TV and they said the biggest sexual discrimination suit is coming and they interviewed a woman who is a single mother.I know there are many single mothers out there supporting themselves and their kids,what ever happen to child support from Dad??
did Dad skip town/country??
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