posted on January 14, 2005 12:53:01 PM new
Linda, nobody's in shock after Bush got in (we all went through that the first time.) Nobody's even mentioned his election except for the right. Bunni has a good point. When anything is brought up about Bush & Co. for discussion, instead of talking about the issues, we're all told to "get over it" or that we hate the U.S.
As an example, no WOMD were found. Instead of the right apologizing to the world and to the left who said from the beginning there were no WOMD (funny how they knew all along), they start some other story to justify their mistake. Would you want to be friends with a person who never owned up or admitted to their mistakes?
Now he's looking the other way regarding his $50 million dollar party, that, as Fenix wrote, could be used more wisely if he REALLY cared about the world.
You guys can butter this guy up all you want but the proof is in the actions. HE DOESN'T CARE.
posted on January 14, 2005 01:00:45 PM new
KD - There's always going to be disagreements between the left and the right. We EACH think our own party better serves this countries needs. What the left refuses to acknowledge is that since 2000 the American voting public agrees with the righties here. They have slowly outed the dems and replaced their positions with republicans. There is a reason this is continuing to happen.
And as far as the WOMD goes....NO ONE has said there are no womd. They've said none have been found and they're not going to continue the search. Womd was not the only reason given for invading Iraq...as the left well knows. Saddam, for 13 years had not abided by what the UN told him to.
There's nothing to apologize for....saddam being removed as a threat and a supporter or terrorism is a GOOD thing. I've asked before for anyone on the left to tell me the name of any government official who thinks saddam should have been left in power. To date....no one has provided that to me.
The American public has spoken....they voted President Bush back in office
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posted on January 14, 2005 01:04:29 PM new
And yes, logansdad, those costs are ALWAYS paid for by the taxpayers....not one bit different, nor more expensive than they've ever been. You guys are just very sore losers.
That is not what I read. I have heard the District of Columbia is paying double what they did in 2001. The amount paid by the federal government is also expected to double since the last ceremony.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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posted on January 14, 2005 01:06:42 PM new
KD - I also wanted to mention, in response to your statement: Instead of the right apologizing to the world and to the left who said from the beginning there were no WOMD (funny how they knew all along), they start some other story to justify their mistake.
I know bear and I and maybe a couple of others have posted, more than once, the democratic leaders in our Congress who ALSO believed saddam had womd. So your above statement is not quite accurate. We've posted the names of all the dems, including both clintons, who believed they did...right up until the time we invaded.
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posted on January 14, 2005 01:08:42 PM newBut then people from Louisana or Mississippi or where ever in the bayou your from have no smarts. Just stupid alligator hunters.
Well, Linda, I guess the caliber of people you defend and agree with are so much kinder and more intelligent.. spewing their bigoted hatred like the stupid old crone above...
BTW..Libra it is spelled Louisiana, not Louisana..LOL
posted on January 14, 2005 01:09:00 PM new
The security costs for the inauguration are going to be tens of millions extra.
How can anyone blame Maggie or Crowfarm for running anyone else off the boards? I haven't been posting because I've been way too busy with other things.
And I must admit I got tired of all the fake and phony that were posted. It made a simple and sincere smiley something downright berserk looking. Instead of denoting true laughter like when the rest of us use it, it says "Stick this up your azz!"
Guess both you and crowfarm missed the thread where everyone voted on just what they thought of cf.
Everyone?? I can't remember voting.
As for the rest of the crap, how quickly some forget or were blind to their buddy neocons who used terrible words and who wished death on some of us.
And what's wrong with being critical of Bush and his henchmen and their dirty dealings? Not everyone likes to sit back and nod in a trance and accept whatever is thrown at them.
posted on January 14, 2005 01:12:04 PM new
What the left refuses to acknowledge is that since 2000 the American voting public agrees with the righties here. They have slowly outed the dems and replaced their positions with republicans.
The American people did not vote for Bush in 2000. You keep forgetting about that. Bush won because he had more electoral votes. He did not have the support of the people in 2000.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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posted on January 14, 2005 01:15:13 PM new
Linda, I am sure you could google some sites of your own, but since you are recovering I will go easy on you and provide the link since I am not like CBS.
"The government is privatizing Pennsylvania Avenue and making it available only to the Bush-Cheney inaugural committee," which limits tickets to its supporters, said Mara Verheyden-Hilliard, an attorney for a coalition of anti-war groups.
Inaugural committee spokesman Ben Port declined to comment on the parade route seating arrangements.
Ridge declined to estimate the cost of the federal portion of inaugural security, but if the District of Columbia's tab is any guide, it is certain to dwarf bills for previous inaugurations.
District officials estimate they will spend $17.3 million on security, more than double what was spent for in 2001.
That is a sore subject for Mayor Anthony Williams, who complained that the district would be forced to divert $11.9 million earmarked for homeland security projects to cover costs for the inaugural.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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[ edited by logansdad on Jan 14, 2005 01:22 PM ]
posted on January 14, 2005 01:17:14 PM new
logansdad - The two sides will be arguing that throughout history. He has run this country for the last four years....and will for another four...that's a fact.
oh yes kiara...our Canadian who cares so much how WE spend OUR OWN DONATED dollars...talking about 'sticking it up the as$'. How funny....when you're the only one I can remember saying that repeatedly to others. ....with a smilie no less.
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posted on January 14, 2005 01:23:23 PM new
Linda, nobody's disagreeing with that. Even if 90% of the population of the world believed one way, doesn't mean the other way is wrong or not worth pursuing.
And EVERYONE thinks Saddam should have been ousted, but to tell the world you were in immediate danger of a nuclear attack by Iraq, when your citizens were living in fear of another terrorist attack from Osama, to justify an invasion on this magnitude, is something I'll never understand.
I believe WOMD will never be found. The sad thing is, just like finding Saddam, it won't make any difference if they are. We're still faced with 2 destroyed countries, thousands of dead, and no end in sight. All this to get rid of one person.
posted on January 14, 2005 01:31:40 PM new
KD - I'll remind you that kerry also voted to invade Iraq. Not that he would ever have done what he said he'd do....his word mean little.
And, imo, it wasn't just to remove one terrorist supporter - saddam. As most know the ME has been a hot bed most of my life. About time someone stepped in and showed the world what will happen when they work against the Americans. I believe this President will go down in our history books as being a great President who stepped in and showed the terrorist states that we weren't going to be attacked, like we were by binladen and group, and not do something about it.
I sure don't understand why many on the left were more than willing to let saddam stay in power, continue playing his games with the UN THEY so support, for 13 long years, when we [both parties] knew he was supporting terrorism.
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posted on January 14, 2005 01:38:28 PM newwhen we [both parties] knew he was supporting terrorism
Something both parties thought but never proved. The 9/11 commission even said there was no link between Iraq and Al-Qaeda.
And as far as the WOMD goes....NO ONE has said there are no womd. They've said none have been found and they're not going to continue the search.
Bush claimed he had stockpile upon stockplies of WMD. If there were as many as Bush claimed, there would have to be some evidence that they existed. However you continue to believe the same intelligence that drove the reasons for going to war.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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posted on January 14, 2005 01:41:05 PM new
Kraft: but to tell the world you were in immediate danger of a nuclear attack by Iraq, when your citizens were living in fear of another terrorist attack from Osama.
Right now I would guess that we are more likely to get attacked by North Korea than we ever were from getting attacked by Iraq. There have been reports that Saddam nuclear weapons (if and when they existed) only had a range of 900 miles. On the last map I looked at the U.S. was more than 900 miles from Iraq.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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posted on January 14, 2005 01:42:28 PM new
The difference is that I said the 'cram it' remark specifically to you, Linda_K and I'm not saying it to everyone else each time I post as you tend to do when you use the constantly.
Also, you have an annoying habit of not only separating each and everyone of us into a 'left' and 'right' category and generalizing our total behaviour on your beliefs based on that, but you also then separate us into countries because you're such a narrow-minded Neocon. It's now 2005 and it's a bit selfish to continue to think that way..... time to expand your mind and move on.
posted on January 14, 2005 01:48:03 PM new
Going to continue to beat a dead horse are you logansdad? The American public has chosen this President, again.
The Hamas terrorists are who I was referring to and anyone who reads the democratic leaders statements BEFORE we invaded will get a good example of what the dems thought saddam had/was doing and for all the years before that when saddam hadn't come clean. Even clinton bomb them thinking the same thing. But the left wants to continue to falsely put the blame on this President alone....but it just didn't work and he was re-elected.
Bush claimed he had stockpile upon stockplies of WMD. If there were as many as Bush claimed, there would have to be some evidence that they existed. However you continue to believe the same intelligence that drove the reasons for going to war.
Yes, other world leaders ALSO believe Iraq did too. Did you miss Russia's statement about it? lol
We're not going to change each other's minds on whether we should or shouldn't have invaded. We're there and the American public supported THIS President THIS time around even though.
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posted on January 14, 2005 02:00:07 PM new
logansdad - The weapons WOULD reach Israel though...and that was a big concern to us too. Besides I don't think anyone believed saddam would use them...but rather sell them to those who would.
kiara....play your silly games with someone who wants to play along....I don't. You can't handle disagreement or a different opinion and personalize everything said. Funny I've never seen you tell a leftie to cram it...you just reserve it for those who don't agree with your socialist beliefs.
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posted on January 14, 2005 02:01:44 PM new
Poor, poor, linduh...she believes if you say something enough (like crowfarm is a liar) it becomes the truth...OH, that's right ...she's a neonazicon...they believe things if they're told them enough times...saves on all that hard stuff like thinking.
And LalaLibra, is still going on about name calling...and then stereotypes me and calls me a jack pine savage. Stereotypes people from the south as having no smarts and then calls Maggie a stupid alligator hunter(STUPID alligator hunters are all dead, Libra). Libra being a bigot is considered by normal people(leaves you out) to be worse than name-calling.
posted on January 14, 2005 02:06:46 PM new
A reminder from the past....that kerry, who most lefites supported here, was brought to the table by progressives to explain his support for the invasion of Iraq.
posted on January 14, 2005 02:16:54 PM new
Going to continue to beat a dead horse are you logansdad? The American public has chosen this President, again.
YES I WILL. Why because you keep saying the people choose Bush in 2000 and 2004. The people as whole did not choose Bush in 2000 no matter how much you want to believe they did. If the people did not choose Bush in 2000 they can not choose him again.
To use a phrase you love to throw around so much...it was the activist judges that decided what chads would count and which ones would not. So Bush ended up winning Florida on their decision.
To put into simple terms for you to understand, it was the electoral process the elected Bush, not the American people.
The weapons WOULD reach Israel though...and that was a big concern to us too.
So you admit Saddam was not a threat to the United States. Israel is nor ever was part of the United States nor is it close to US soil. He was more of a threat to Israel then. If this was the case Israel should have declared war on Iraq not the US.
We're there and the American public supported THIS President THIS time around even though.
There you go again. Your math does not add up. 48% of the American people did not support THIS PRESIDENT in the last election. Besides the latest polls show 49% of the people approve of Bush overall, and only 44% of the people approve of the way Bush is handling the Iraq War. The ones that keep supporting Bush are mainly the Republicans.
Keep using the same logic and half truths Bush wants the American people to believe. It will result in the same approval.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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[ edited by logansdad on Jan 14, 2005 02:19 PM ]
posted on January 14, 2005 02:17:39 PM newoh yes kiara...our Canadian who cares so much how WE spend OUR OWN DONATED dollars
That was your first comment to me, Linda_k and did I say anything about how your donated dollars were being spent?
I'm not the one playing silly games, I'm just stating my opinion and it's well-known here that you think I shouldn't be allowed to state anything if I don't worship Bush or become a Neocon like you. You've made that quite clear for a long time now. And you wonder why people don't post here much anymore? Not everyone wants to stop by each day just to kiss up to you and agree with you.
BTW, hello to Maggie and Kraft.... I didn't get back here the other night but both of you still make me smile.
posted on January 14, 2005 02:21:07 PM new
LOL logansdad - Well....continue fighting things that aren't going to be changed then...your choice...but what a waste of energy.
You remind me of the group still fighting to get Gore in office. LOL
And it was the USSC that decided Florida couldn't change their own laws in mid stream.
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But was happy to receive an email from Fox News that informs their readers that Newdow's request has been DENIED. YEA for religious freedom.
Judge rejects Michael Newdow's challenge to presidential inauguration tradition
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posted on January 14, 2005 02:42:47 PM new
linduh says, "LOL logansdad - Well....continue fighting things that aren't going to be changed then...your choice...but what a waste of energy."
Well, the Dems in Washington state continued fighting and now they have a DEMOCRATIC governor
And are the Repugs WHINING!!!!THEY want a RECOUNT....now THEY want every vote counted !!!!!!!
MY MY how things change when the shoe is on the other foot.
MOST STUPID POST of the WEEK....and the winner is....linduh ....for the very intelligent ..."But was happy to receive an email from Fox News that informs their readers that Newdow's request has been DENIED. YEA for religious freedom."
Uh, linduh..uhmm...forcing religion down people's throats is NOT religious freedom. But I know you could never understand such a deep concept....poor thing....
posted on January 14, 2005 02:50:43 PM new
Any weapon that threatens the REGION is a direct threat to most of the WORLD nevermind just us. Blackmailing the world's oil supply or attacking key points of transit would destroy half the economies on the planet and kill millions in 3rd world nations within months.
posted on January 14, 2005 02:54:23 PM new
LOL - Lost again.
The practice of religious freedom and all the history behind this tradition does make a difference. No one is forcing anyone to put their hand on the Bible - and no one is being forced to listen. It's optional....and traditional.
At least this time one lone atheist nut-case didn't get his way.
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posted on January 14, 2005 04:52:33 PM newAt least this time one lone atheist nut-case didn't get his way.
Why doesn't that comment surprise me !!!! Look who it is coming from........
Anyone who doesn't believe in religion is a nut case.
Anyone one who doesn't believe in the war is against the troops and is anti-american.
Anyone who doesn't bow down and worship Bush is against America and is a terrorist.
Anyone who doesn't support Linda's view is a nut case and should move to another country.
Did I leave anything out Linda?
Oh wait. (Linda speaking) I never made any of those comments. You are twisting my words. Now you know what I think and feel.
Yep we all know Linda to a "T"
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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posted on January 14, 2005 04:59:44 PM newWell....continue fighting things that aren't going to be changed then...your choice...but what a waste of energy.
Well I am glad black people in the 50's-60's did not have your attitude.
And it was the USSC that decided Florida couldn't change their own laws in mid stream.
Like I said earlier to use the phrase you love to throw around so much ....activist judges.
Now I want to know how 52% of the population equals the people supporting Bush.
Oh that is right, the Republicans believe 52% equals a MANDATE.
By the way Linda when was the last time you had a man date???? LOL LOL
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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posted on January 14, 2005 05:58:38 PM new
Excellent posts, Logans! The majority of us here agree whole heartedly with everything you have said..... I guess you will now be put on Linduh's ignore list, along with Crow and the rest of us who have the audacity to disagree with her views!
posted on January 14, 2005 06:19:13 PM new
LOL...how funny.
I don't have any problem hearing people express differing opinions from mine. It's plain to see you all like to see yourselves as 'independent thinkers' but you all think alike. Like teenagers who think they're rebelling against their parents. Anything the parent says has got to be wrong. Later in life they learn their parents weren't so wrong after all.
logansdad - The 'mandate' is the people electing Bush in 2000, changing the 'lean' of our Congress in 2002 and the re-election of President Bush this time. The dems are still arguing about whether their going to appoint H. Dean and go far off to the left....or go with someone else more moderate. Gee....I wonder why they're having such a problem deciding who's going to lead them? Why they're having such problems figuring out why they lost AGAIN.
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