posted on August 31, 2000 02:35:57 PM new
Its interesting how ebay has no problem with lying to the community but there are still people here who will protect ebay even when they do this stuff because they have sold their soul to them. They will call people like me just trouble makers and say I should just turn the other way and not care about how ebay lies the the community, how they allow fraud, shill bidding (real shill bidding, NARU people without proof just because they "think" there might be proof, .... The list goes on and on.
posted on August 31, 2000 02:56:05 PM new
I've been on eBay since Jan 98 and I remember when Sellers could place one bid on their own auctions. Although it was not shill bidding in it's true form, it infuriated a lot of Bidders who were outbid by a Seller who should have just used a Reserve Price to begin with if they weren't willing to settle on a lower amount. And that was when times were good and almost every auction had multiple bids. You had to use the exact Seller's ID.
If a current eBay employee tells you it never happened, then they were not around at that time. It was definitely a viable option, but I don't remember exactly when it changed.
posted on August 31, 2000 03:00:20 PM new
So, are you answering my question about the truth of your issues with ebay by your interest in the actions taken against shill bidders?
Was all of that about email fraud and auction non performance simply a smokescreen to mask the fact that you are just another shill bidder in your own auctions?
Doesn't ebay retain still a clause in the user agreement which allows them the right to refuse service to anyone for any or no reason at all?
Good luck in court, if the judge lets you in, todie.
posted on August 31, 2000 03:01:25 PM new
Thanks for the info. Anyone else have anymore info on this? What would really be nice is an email or a link that shows that ebay once allowed this. Of course ebay has conveniently removed all this from their site to hide their past. As expected, we still remember....
posted on August 31, 2000 03:05:14 PM new
KRS: Once again your wrong. Ebay cannot refuse their public service without a just cause anymore than walmart can refuse to allow people to shop at their store. This is called discrimination and the legal term given by a lawyer to me was "Restrain of Trade" and ebay was recently convicted of this about a month ago with another seller I have had contact with and his account was reinstated and damages were paid to him.
Sorry to disappoint you I am not a shill bidder, lol...poor KRS
posted on August 31, 2000 03:13:26 PM new
That's as ridiculous and unsubstantiable as anything else that you've come up with, todie. Ebay, and walmart, and AW for that matter can indeed refuse service to whomever they chose individually.
I realize that you are not a shill bidder in ebay, now.
Here's a teaser for you:
Right to Refuse Services. AuctionWatch.com may refuse our services to anyone at any time, in our sole discretion. AuctionWatch.com reserves the right to discontinue, temporarily or permanently,any or all of our services to anyone at any time,with or without notice
posted on August 31, 2000 03:24:33 PM new
KRS: I suppose you could try to sell your home also and then put up a sign saying "For sale to everyone except black people", yeah that would fly....its called discrimination...
posted on August 31, 2000 03:27:28 PM new
I thought for Discrimination to apply that you had to be part of a "protected class" (i.e., race, religion, gender, etc.) I don't think eBay sellers falls into any of them.
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That's Flunky Gerbiltush to you!
posted on August 31, 2000 03:38:10 PM new
njrazd,
That's exactly right, and this claim of discrimination has no substance at all.
todie,
Where did you get an idea that corporations are subject to restraint by the bill of rights? If you bother to read them, you might notice that they restrict the congress only, and quite specifically.
In ebay, noone needs to sign away any rights, because nobody has any if they are party to the user agreement which they must be to gain member status.
You can whine for months but it will get no more result than a puppy displaced from his litter gets by whining for his mother. Maybe you'll feel better while you get over it if you wrap an alarm clock in a towel and sleep with it ticking in simulation of your mommie's hearbeat.
