posted on August 20, 2000 09:54:09 PM new
We aren't seeing it all. That's for sure but my burning question is why are they only eating fish, rice and coconut milk (as seen on tv) now and not eating rats which even the squeamish said were good and those sugar roots (whatever) they were all looking for in the first episodes.
posted on August 21, 2000 01:59:52 PM new
I have to disagree - Sue is one of the biggest winers there is!! She bitches and moans about everything. That accent makes it 10 times worse or eh after each sentence.
I do agree though that they were sent there to win money and the remaining members do appear to be playing the game right. However, the winner must be voted on by the last 8 to leave and I don;t think there is a vote in there for Sue or Rich as in all exit interviews one or the other was mentioned as being unscrupulous, unfair etc. so I still say Rudy is the winner. Kelly wavered too much and I think will be booted, but if it is her and Rudy then that would be interesting as it could go either way.
posted on August 21, 2000 02:17:38 PM new
I've heard that a couple of the losing Survivors inadventently gave away the winner's gender in interviews. I'm really looking forward to the final episode on Wednesday! Pathetic, but true.
posted on August 22, 2000 01:31:53 PM new
What's up with the 'Survivor Reunion' show that's supposed to air after the final episode tomorrow. Are they going to be all hugs and kissies like they were genuine buds?
posted on August 22, 2000 06:54:07 PM new
I HOPE KELLY WINS, BUT IT WILL PROBABLY BE RUDY...WELL WE'LL FIND OUT TOMORROW AND THEN THERE IS ALWAYS SURVIVOR II....SPAZ, YOU HAVE ENTIRELY TOO MUCH TIME ON YOUR HANDS IF YOU TYPED ALL THAT
[ edited by BABY167297 on Aug 22, 2000 06:58 PM ]
posted on August 22, 2000 07:10:46 PM new
Well, I think it will be Rudy. I can't wait until tomorrow night. Anyone who calls here will only get the answering machine!
posted on August 22, 2000 08:49:22 PM new
I'll have to fight the urge to pop on here and see who won before the show airs, lol... some of you see it 6 hours before I do!
posted on August 23, 2000 01:26:40 AM new
lol calamity,
No you all go ahead and diss the final episode when you see it... I'll just hang back and catch up with you when I do. Prob be the first thing I do when it ends... logon and say "Can you believe that???"
posted on August 23, 2000 01:34:32 AM new
No Kcat,
I don't think it wopuld be fair to the people in California, etc. either. Of course someone on the East coast would be the first to write anything. Hum, naw, I'll be too busy watching and probably yelling and throwing things at the tv.
posted on August 23, 2000 07:08:44 AM new
Dateline did a segment about skeev-meister Richard last night and the second degree child abuse charge he's facing back in Rhode Island.
Richard, a single gay man, applied to be a foster parent. The state finally placed a child in his custody, but it was a very troubled boy of about nine who had already been passed around to 8 families.
The boy had been living with Richard for about two years (Richard had legally adopted him) when Richard decided to become a Survivor contestant. When questioned about the wisdom of leaving a troubled child alone with a "caretaker" for seven weeks, Richard brushed it off, saying the boy was "gung ho" about him going.
Apparently the boy put on some weight during Richard's absence, twenty pounds or so. When Richard returned home from the island he was disturbed by the boy's weight gain (Richard himself used to weigh 350 lbs) and so put him on a strict diet regimen and began rousing him for 4:30 am runs.
The boy didn't like it at all and in Richard's words, "whined" a lot about having to do it, and had trouble keeping up with Richard during the run. The more the boy lagged behind, the more frustrated Richard became. Richard says he had to be "firm" with him to motivate him to run, but in the end he saw the boy wasn't into it and so relented and said, "okay, we'll walk home instead."
But that's not what the kid says. Later that day, when the boy showed up at school with fresh bruises on his face, teachers and the school nurse questioned him. The boy told them Richard had pulled him along by the ear during the run, and at one point had become so angry that he shoved his face against the concrete surface of the ground, resulting in the bruises.
A physician was consulted, who confirmed that the boy's injuries were consistent with the physical abuse he described.
Richard of course denies it all. He also scoffs at any criticism that he shouldn't have been running a 9 year old at 4:30 am. He said maybe other people wouldn't do it, but nobody's going to tell him what he can or can't do with his son.
I guess it's a question of who you believe. Personally, I could see Richard mistreating a child, an elderly person, or anyone he pleased if it meant getting his way. Something about the man is cold and mean.
Personally, I think the worst form of abuse was probably his abandonment of this boy for 7 weeks. Here's a kid who's been ditched by 8 families. He finally finds a haven, a place he's lived for 2 years when suddenly he lands right back in the hands of a caretaker for 7 weeks while Richard is off flaunting his fat naked ass on TV. Richard said that his doing Survivor was necessary to being a good parent, because he needs things in his life that "give him joy." I say bulls**t. No 9 year old can understand that self-fulfillment baloney, especially not one who has been abandoned so many times before.
I could be wrong, but I'm starting to think Richard didn't win. Maybe he came home angry, and took some of that anger out on the kid.
P.S. BABY, people like you make it all worthwhile.
posted on August 23, 2000 08:21:10 AM new
Hi spaz,
I agree with you that it is very plausible that Richard did do what the boy said. However, children at the age of 9 that have been in that many foster homes do have a tendency to lie etc. - which, I agree with you, is exactly why Richard should not have left him.
Between Survivor and Big Brother I cannot believe the amount of single adults with children under 10 that thought it was okay to leave them for that many weeks. The ones who's other parent was home was one thing but leaving your children for that long with a caretaker or grandma etc. I think is very wrong.
Like Jenna, although I liked her on the show - leaving twin 3 year olds for that long I believe was very wrong. Three year olds should not be away from their mother for that long. She is a single parent so they stayed with her relatives, mother etc. not with their father.
Oh well, we'll see what happens tonight. I am in WA and get it last so will have to stay out of here as I don't want to know beforehand.
Rich, IMHO, is disgusting and yes, there is something about the man's personality that screams selfish, no heart!
So we have Rich, accused of child abuse.
We have Kelly with warrants in her former state.
Today I saw a rag at the grocery store with a supposed gossip story about Rudy - not the hero you thought or something like that.
The skeletons are falling - everyone is scooping up their 15 minutes and capitalizing on it. I only hope no one pays Richard or Sue any money to do any advertising etc.
posted on August 23, 2000 09:38:25 AM new
spaz, I saw that show too, and I also think that he must not have won... otherwise he would be hiring personal trainers for the boy instead of dragging him out of bed before dawn to jog. I also think that is an extremely rough regimen for a 9 year old. I have a 9 year old and can't imagine forcing him up at 4:30 a.m. to run. But as the story goes, there are 2 sides to every story... still it does seem odd...
I didn't see the Dateline thing but am really disgusted to learn that the state would give someone with Richard's personality traits, I don't mean his being gay, I mean his sneakiness and immature personality when he doesn't get his way a child who has had no consistancy in his life. As far as I'm concerned the boy was abused by just having his weight gain evidently discussed and then taken out to run at that awful hour when he was probably just acting out to get his absent adoptive father's attention. To leave a delicate child like that is reprehensible.
The heck of it is that the boy will probably get passed on to another foster family. I hope he gets a good one.
posted on August 23, 2000 10:12:11 AM new
But the boy is living with him now! Doesn't that seem strange? When child abuse allegations are being investigated, isn't it standard to remove the child from the home if DCS feels he is being harmed?
posted on August 23, 2000 11:05:30 AM new
I'm not going to get to see the final episode tonight because I have to go somewhere with my husband and his boss. VCR, don't fail me now! I'll either have to stay up until 1:00 this morning watching the taped episode, or avoid all media tomorrow.
posted on August 23, 2000 12:00:34 PM new
Yes, the boy is still with him now. I guess it's because the abuse wasn't exactly a beating -- second degree. Maybe also has something to do with the difficulty of placing the boy again, and perhaps the trauma of uprooting him for the ninth time would do him more harm than good. Of course I'm only speculating.
All I could think is that with the boy still in the house, Richard has ample opportunity to mess with the kid's head before the trial, plenty of opportunity to convince him he imagined or exaggerated the whole thing -- or worse, time enough to threaten him to change his story.
Dateline said that Richard's reputation around town has gone from "local hero" (on account of him being one of the last Survivors) to "Psycho-Dad."
Given what we've seen of Richard on Survivor, it does seem weird that the state allowed him to have a child at all. Imagine if the child welfare agencies had seen the tape of Richard strolling around nude in front of the other cast members before the decision to let him become a father to this boy was made. I'm no prude, but I do believe that Richard demonstrated extremely poor judgment and quite probably did a disservice to other single gay men who might want to adopt a child in the future. Keep in mind, I'm not saying that all (or even any) gay men would behave like Richard, but he certainly has left an impression on a lot of people, one that isn't going to fade anytime soon. The next time a single gay man comes up for consideration as a foster parent, I would bet that the image of Richard Hatch will appear in the mind of whoever's making the decision, and, who knows, may affect the outcome of that decision. Going around nude among other adults wasn't illegal, nor do I personally find it immoral. But was it a smart thing to do given his family circumstances? Even if the child welfare agencies didn't care about such things (but they do), what about the kid back home? Richard's child will have to face his peers and endure the ridicule that goes with having a father who's not only despised by much of America, but shows his ass on national TV as well. Richard just strikes me as an arrogant and selfish man all around.
posted on August 23, 2000 12:35:10 PM new
jamesoblivion,
Children that have no stability and are shuffled around learn how to survive the situations adults put them in. One of the survival tactics is to lie as they know they have the control and attention will be given to whomever they have lied about - which may get them there way.
I have worked with children in a voluntary capacity and this happens constantly. However; there are also just as many cases of foster parent abuse as there are children fibbing about the abuse etc.
It is very sad the abuse that is done to innocent children. You have to take a test to do just about anything - but not have a child - shouldn't be that way.
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Back to survivor:
Our local tv station here reported who the winner was today. I knew someone would leak it. I won't say so you can watch for yourself - but I know and now am disappointed that the show won't be very exciting.
posted on August 23, 2000 01:42:25 PM new
A local station leaked it? Are you sure they weren't just predicting who would win? There's a four-million dollar penalty for violation of the confidentiality agreement, and as of this noon, news stations were calling it one of the best kept secrets in TV history.
If it's true and a local station leaked it, I hope viewers boycott that station in protest. That's just a mean thing to do to folks. It's like here in the New York area last year were a couple of wiseass "shock jocks" (actually they're still here) who got off on revealing the ending of "The Sixth Sense," ruining the movie for thousands of people who heard them and hadn't seen it yet. All for a cheap laugh. People suck.
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posted on August 23, 2000 04:06:43 PM new
Here is what they said without naming the winner:
They know the winner because early in the show Reebok had announced that the winner was getting a high sum of money to do Reebok commercials.
The television show received next week's copy of a very popular news magazine and the cover has a picture of the survivor's with a Reebok promotional clothing on one individual and that is who they say the winner is. They also have two postcards from viewers that were vacationing in this same survivor's hometown and there were people celebrating and talking about how their town had the winner etc. - that he had told a cousin who worked at a restaurant and told someone else etc.. anyone both are the same individual.
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So no one would get into trouble - maybe did not think anyone would make the connection between the winners' advertising award and this magazine cover story with advertising clothing on the winner.
OR
maybe and I am hoping - it is all a ruse to get us locals here to think it is .... -
we'll have to see tonight - and if they did spill it I think that stinks.. but if it was a ruse I would have to agree that they have pulled off the biggest secret yet - for a show such as this.
