aschmits
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posted on August 23, 2000 07:21:53 PM new
Man, Sue is such a vindictive, sore loser. I'd use another word, you all know what one it is, so I don't have to.
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jamesoblivion
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posted on August 23, 2000 08:04:36 PM new
I don't have a TV and made no effort to watch the show before tonight. But I did, and it looked kind of interesting. Oh well.
"Darth Gaydar" -- classic! 
James.
Australia looks good, too. Eventually pop culture will suck us all in. 
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xifene
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posted on August 23, 2000 08:55:55 PM new
Gee whiz. The things I miss out on 'cause I don't like TV.
(I consider watching just so I could flirt more adroitly with Spaz but decided against. Anyway -- I'd probably hafta get cable again to tune in and I only just won the but-we-don't-need-cable argument!)
--xifene--
http://www.auctionusers.org
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toomanycomics
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posted on August 23, 2000 10:57:29 PM new
Survivor's winner is not the winner
the news media are the winners because they made profit from that program...
honestly I hoped that last program did not beat MASH's last episode for the most viewers.
from what I read about the 'Mole' program, I don't that program will work because there will be betrayal, finger-pointing, back-biting, .... oh.... it's the political conventions..... sorry
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calamity49
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posted on August 23, 2000 11:00:22 PM new
Toomany---LOL! I think you are right or is that left? Let's just say correct.
Calamity
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mauimoods
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posted on August 23, 2000 11:17:21 PM new
I changed my mind....Susan is NOT someone I would want to be associated with. She was downright viscious and hateful....and a sore loser. What she said to both kelly and Rich sucked. She called one a snake and the other a rat...then went on to say she wished kelly was dead (in so many words) and wouldnt help her if she was laying in the road dying. Sheesh! Showed her true colors. I wish Rudy would have won....and I wonder if they will take his application to go to Australia? Wouldnt that be a hoot? Seeing Rudy with a new batch of people, stirring a pot of kangaroo poop? LOL!
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chococake
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posted on August 24, 2000 12:07:21 AM new
Aww, I really wanted Rudy to win. He was so much like a friend I had many years ago. He was 82 years old and the resident caretaker at the pet hospitol where I worked. When I came in everyone said watch out for him he's really mean. He may have been gruff but never mean. He always told it like it was. What he didn't like was a slacker. I was a hard worker and he took me under his wing. When I had to work week-ends he would invite me up to his apartment after work for a few drinks. He made the best Manhattans!
Kelly sure didn't look happy on the reunion show. I think Sean is still dumb as a door knob. It's good to speak your mind but Susan goes too far.
Richard looked good on the reunion. Was he really naked on David Lettermen?
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calamity49
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posted on August 24, 2000 12:57:05 AM new
I can't believe it, just can't believe it!
Though I wanted Rudy to win Kelly deserved it. She won the last 5 challenges and no one had ever voted to get rid of her before tonight. I think that says it all.
No wonder they kept it a secret. No one would have watched had they known that Rich would win.
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Calamity
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rebos83
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posted on August 24, 2000 08:25:15 AM new
Uhhhh, I don't know
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spazmodeus
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posted on August 24, 2000 10:02:55 AM new
I haven't been as thoroughly disgusted by a media event since OJ Simpson walked free. Once again, it's proven that there's no fairness in the world.
Calamity is correct: Kelly did deserve it.
If you watched the wrap-up afterwards, you know that 61% of a national poll felt the wrong person won.
What bugs me -- really bugs me -- is that CBS awarded a million dollars to a man who stands accused of abusing a little boy. Granted, he wasn't accused of the abuse until he got back to civilization. But now, even after knowing that he stands accused, CBS is using this alleged abuser in commercial promos. They had this alleged abuser exposing himself on national TV on David Letterman. Other shows will be featuring his treacherous face in days to come. All while knowing that he may be guilty of abusing a kid.
As for Sue, she only proved that she's as ugly on the inside as she is on the outside. Congratulations to Gervase for telling it like it is. He was the only person who made me smile during that entire three hour fiasco.
Hopefully Richard's newfound celebrity status will quickly diminish as marketing experts inform their clients that he is repulsing the audience. Concepts of right and wrong have no place in televisionland, but consumer appeal does have the final word.
[ edited by spazmodeus on Aug 24, 2000 10:04 AM ]
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kiheicat
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posted on August 24, 2000 10:05:36 AM new
I KNEW that beeatch Sue would do something horrible but I never imagined the words that came out of that mouth. "If you were lying on the road dying of thirst I wouldn't give you a drink of water; I would let the vultures take you and have no ill regrets." What the!!! I think it was very gracious of Kelly to extend her hand to her in the reunion.
And yes, Sean is still an idiot. lol
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RainyBear
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posted on August 24, 2000 10:19:26 AM new
It ended up being like voting in a presidential election - selecting the least objectionable of two bad choices. 
I feel bad for Rudy because he recognized the fact that he made a million-dollar mistake by taking his hand off the pole. Richard sabotaged Rudy by quitting early. He knew that if Kelly got immunity she'd vote Rudy off so she'd have a better chance at the million. And he knew that if he were up against Rudy in front of the jury then he'd lose. He wanted Kelly to get immunity.
Yuck, I would have rather seen any of the others up there besides Rich and Kelly. I have a certain respect for Sue and her brashness, and I really got a kick out of her speech, harsh as it was. I felt sorry for Kelly, though.
I had to tape the show last night and watch it at around midnight... I knew if I saved it until tonight I'd already know the outcome! And I really thought Rudy would win. Too bad.
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boysmommy3
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posted on August 24, 2000 10:52:05 AM new
Just a few thoughts:
*It was the best kept secret as the news station here reported Rudy as the winner - so way to go to the procuders etc. for keeping the ending under wraps.
*Shame on QVC for selling Richard as the winner t-shirts at 8pm our time when the show had not started yet here.
*Susan - poor loser does not even come close. Interesting too the ego this woman has after. She hasn't apologized just said she was back home and her and Kelly were alright - after words like that I doubt if Kelly will be calling her soon.
*Gervase - high five!! Great speach - best one of the night.
*Sean a kook - what about Greg - pick a number !?! when 1 mil on the line.
*I am so glad I watched the reunion as it was far better than I thought and really gave insight into them that we did not see on the island.
*Ya gotta love Rudy for his honesty. When asked in the reunion if he would take back his words about the other cast members that he said on camera - he said naw. He is who he is and his word is his word - good for him.
*Greg - pretty funny - did you hear his answer about why it was okay for him, Gervase and Colleen to sit naked at the fire but not Rich? He said Gervase and him were trying to prove the age old adage between African American men and Caucasian men and Colleen was the judge!!
*Great job to Kelly for not shaking hands with Susan when she extended it after Rich won. Susan went to her and put out her hand and Kelly shook her head and walked to the next person as the credits rolled - did you see that? I mean what did Susan think - she could speel off a diatribe like that and then Susan was going to shake her hand.
*I have to admit I will have to eat some crow on Richard. While I still am repulsed by him I do have to give him credit that he was the only one that from the beginning said his intentions - to win - and how he was going to play it. There were no secrets with him - he laid it out.
*Rich - needs to get off his selfish high horse. While CPS has left the child with him and he hasn't been prosecuted - running around naked on David Letterman was extremely poor taste. Certainly did not do favor to the gay society. Here is a gay man who has adopted a male child and enjoys running around on national tv naked. Is that the MO at home too? Just did not help his case at all. Very selfish man he is.
I hope you all enjoyed the show. The Australian location is beautiful. The kick off for the show starts on superbowl night in January.
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KatyD
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posted on August 24, 2000 11:41:18 AM new
Here is a gay man who has adopted a male child and enjoys running around on national tv naked. Is that the MO at home too?
Huh? What's the big deal here? Why use the the extraneous words "gay" and "male". What difference does it make? Try this: Here is a man who has adopted a child and enjoys running around on national tv naked.
"Gay man" and "male child" seems to intimate something that has nothing to do with Rich's sexual orientation. By the way, why are people making a big deal about it. So what?
KatyD
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RainyBear
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posted on August 24, 2000 11:42:33 AM new
Then what are we all gonna do until January?
Yeah, I know, list stuff on eBay. 
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boysmommy3
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posted on August 24, 2000 11:51:27 AM new
Katyd,
The big deal has nothing to do with a man running around naked.
What it has to do with is a single gay naked man running around naked who has adopted a male child and has a current CPS case open for abuse. The same way it would look for a single straight female who had adopted a male child of the age of 9 and was running around naked when there is an open CPS case and her actions were being reviewed.
Point being - if this also takes place at home - society and CPS as a whole does not look favorably upon an adult parent running around naked in front of a child of that age and one of the opposite sex.
IMHO -
I just feel that it was in poor taste considering his personal situation.
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jeanyu
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posted on August 24, 2000 12:00:27 PM new
survival of the fittest? Yep--not a pretty sight, but that's what happened. Richard played almost everyone like a violin and won.
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KatyD
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posted on August 24, 2000 12:06:12 PM new
boysmommy3,
But what you're intimating has nothing to do with the alleged "abuse" that is being investigated. At least I've heard no mention of "child molestation" charges, or other sexual type misbehavior, which is what you seem to be suggesting in emphasizing single gay naked man running around naked who has adopted a male child.
Maybe I'm missing your point, but what we have here is a father and a son, both the same gender. What's the problem with a father and son seeing each other in the nude? My 7 year old daughter sees me in the nude all the time. We take showers together. Horrors!
Methinks that what you think is in poor taste considering his personal situationhas to do with something other than Rich's son seeing his dad nude.
KatyD
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Julesy
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posted on August 24, 2000 12:19:16 PM new
Good goddess.
Ditto to KatyD.
Sheesh.
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boysmommy3
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posted on August 24, 2000 12:33:11 PM new
Katyd,
Do you feel it would be alright to take showers with your 9 year old son?
BTW - They are not considered the same gender when ones sexual preference is the same.
[ edited by boysmommy3 on Aug 24, 2000 12:34 PM ]
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KatyD
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posted on August 24, 2000 12:48:46 PM new
BTW - They are not considered the same gender when ones sexual preference is the same.
That's the most homophobic asinine comment I've heard in a long time. What does being the same gender here have to do with sexual preference. What you are suggesting here, is that pedophelia and homosexuality are one and the same. Please do yourself a favor and educate yourself.
I will not respond to your first question because we're talking about TWO males here, NOT a female and a male. A homosexual male is not the same as a female. What tripe!
KatyD
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lotsafuzz
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posted on August 24, 2000 01:03:08 PM new
Well Fiddle!
As for this CRAP about all the "horrible" parents leaving their kids with care takers and/or grandparents: Give me a BREAK!! Those parents didn't abandon their kids! They were trying for a better life for their kids!
Are parents that go to work abandoning their kids? Are parents that go on business trips abandoining their kids? Puh-lease.
As for the thing with Rich: I am well aware of the shortcomings (and all out failures) of the childrens welfair department, however, I am much more inclinded to believe what THEY say over the uninformed speculations of a chat board (or even a "news" program). The charges were DROPPED.
I wonder why noone has said it is a pretty damn wonderful thing for ANYONE to adopt a child, much less one who has had so many problems. Rich wanted this child before any mention of a million dollars.
As for those horrified that Rich would be a spokesperson: Would Kelly (You know, the one with TWO stolen credit card charges AND a domestic dispute) have made a better spokesperson?
There is a really ugly undercurrent to these statements about Rich being naked. If Gervias ran around naked, would people be saying that he made it hard "for the next black person."? What about Colleene? She said she was naked on the island....does SHE make it harder on the next female?
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kiheicat
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posted on August 24, 2000 01:20:54 PM new
I agree with spaz and boysmommy re Gervase's speech. BRAVO Gervase... truly told it like it was.
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jamesoblivion
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posted on August 24, 2000 01:32:00 PM new
They are not considered the same gender when ones sexual preference is the same.
"Considered"?
As an aside, why do you suppose that you know what a 9 year old boy's sexual preference is?
James.
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RainyBear
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posted on August 24, 2000 01:47:52 PM new
Just to set the record straight:
1. Nudity does not equal sexuality.
2. Homosexuality does not equal pedophilia.
3. Gender is not determined by sexual orientation.
4. A gay man does not sexualize his relationship with his children any more than a straight man does.
OK?
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spazmodeus
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posted on August 24, 2000 02:00:40 PM new
What an odd twist to this thread.
I have no problem with gays being parents or scout leaders or school teachers or whatever -- but we live in a country where lots of people do.
I never said Richard did anything wrong in exposing himself, only that what he did could very conveniently be perceived and/or construed as wrong by small minded people who look for even the tiniest excuse to justify their prejudices against gays and others. If you look back at my comments, you'll see that I questioned whether it was a smart thing to do, given the backlash it might have against others in less public situations.
I still think he's a creep. Even at the very end of the show, when they showed him talking about all the money, and how it was going to change his life, and how he got a new car, blah blah blah, even as they showed him walking out of the airport all clean shaven, never ONCE did he say, "I can't wait to get home to see my son." In none of the episodes I watched (the last five or six) did he so much as say he missed his son. I think he's a selfish, self-interested S.O.B.
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RainyBear
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posted on August 24, 2000 02:12:45 PM new
Spaz - I agree with your assessment of Richard ("selfish, self-interested S.O.B." ). I wonder why he wanted a child in the first place?
Then again, I often wonder why anyone wants children.
[ edited by RainyBear on Aug 24, 2000 02:13 PM ]
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KatyD
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posted on August 24, 2000 02:14:27 PM new
only that what he did could very conveniently be perceived and/or construed as wrong by small minded people who look for even the tiniest excuse to justify their prejudices against gays
Yup! Sad, isn't it?
KatyD
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boysmommy3
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posted on August 24, 2000 02:30:10 PM new
Okay - I am sorry I was doing this in a hurry and did not mean to come across like that. But reading back, phew.. scary the way I sounded.
All I was trying to say was eloquently written by Spaz - the perception of his actions are what he has to worry about. CPS does not answer to anyone and I know of many CPS cases based on perceptions that were not reality.
BTW - I am not homophobic. One of my best friends is gay and my husbands father was also gay.
In Richard's favor -
He did say Hi to his son on the reunion show.
I volunteer in an office next to CPS. Anytime you have a CPS order etc. they scrutinize all that you do. Perceptions can soon become reality. Things that you do in your family in your everyday life can be torn apart and made into something they are not. I just meant that with an open CPS case he should be more careful about his behavior. You would be amazed at what individual CPS workers feel is abusive or inappropriate behavior. Behavior is subjective and it is up to the individual investigator who brings all of their own opinions etc.
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Back to the lighthearted thread this was. Has anyone seen the promos for The Mole and what do you think?
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RainyBear
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posted on August 24, 2000 02:57:36 PM new
I haven't seen promos for The Mole but I'll watch it. After all, I need something to ease the separation anxiety caused by the end of Survivor!
When does it start?
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